NRA - Put Armed Good Guys In All Schools

[Genivaria]

ANYONE WHO SAYS NO IS AN IDIOT! No offense, but what will end up worse,

1.) Mall full of Unarmed people, including Security, one maniac with a gun.

2.) Mall with a few armed Civilians, Armed Security, One Maniac with a Gun.


Which one will have less Bystander Deaths?

Flaming gets you no points.
Also in the second scenario the maniac would STILL get several shots off before he himself is gunned down.
Not to mention that the Security would be forced to check their fire in a crowd of fleeing civilians.

[Ifreann]

The best defense against a dysfunctional nut job with a high capacity magazine is a round in the forehead.

Proving that you should not be allowed to carry a firearm right here.

[Greed and Death]

That would affect gun violence overall, not certain how it correlates to bolt out of the blue incidents like this.

This guy seems to think so.

I as a gun owner can be happy with greater income equality, indeed if I open a gun shop when I retire, it might mean more customers.

[Gauthier]

Do you know something I don't know or did you just fuck up the quotes?

Seems I fucked up the quotes. Whoops.

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ANYONE WHO SAYS NO IS AN IDIOT! No offense, but what will end up worse,

1.) Mall full of Unarmed people, including Security, one maniac with a gun.

2.) Mall with a few armed Civilians, Armed Security, One Maniac with a Gun.


Which one will have less Bystander Deaths?

The former.

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who assume that a mass of civilians armed with guns will remain calm in a shootout and possess the pinpoint accuracy of Call of Duty champions.

[Tekania]

Yeah, great.... they're scared to fucking death of teachers educating kids, but gung ho on arming everyone in the school.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Somone who could shoot back when one of those crazies decides to go on a shooting rampage? Especially former veterans? What a dumb idea.

[Greed and Death]

Good luck with that, doubt it would get passed or survive a legal challenge.

the rest of us would like to discuss real possible regulations.

which to be honest shouldn't even be discussed given the likeness of a school shooting happening as opposed to the number of schools in the US. But I guess if everyone will FEEL better then i suppose armed guards can be brought up...

This is a democracy, if people want to expend the budget protecting from very rare incidents they are free to do so.
Since however people are proposing regulations that limit the activities I enjoy I will insist they actually address the problem they set out to solve.

Luckily nothing that limits my fire arm ownership rights actually reduces the chance of incidents like this.

[Galloism]

Seems I fucked up the quotes. Whoops.

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The former.

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who assume that a mass of civilians armed with guns will remain calm in a shootout and possess the pinpoint accuracy of Call of Duty champions.

Yeah, that is a little... unrealistic. Actually, it's a lot unrealistic.

It never ceases to amaze me that people's plan for dealing with a crisis like an armed shooter trying to kill as many people as he can is to cower and take it until some other armed people arrive and take care of it.

[Khodoristan]

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who assume that a mass of civilians armed with guns will remain calm in a shootout and possess the pinpoint accuracy of Call of Duty champions.

Call of Poopy? ArmA 2 FTW.

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

[Korvallian Reich]

Along with this Post, Gun Control is Bad. I believe in limited gun control, but when people get their guns taken away from them, look what happens.

1.) Nazi Party disarmed Civilians, Jews, Slavs, etc were rounded up and put into concentration camps - Defenseless.

2.) Soviets used gun control, Rounded up people they didn't like and they got executed. - Defenseless.

Bad things happen.

The 2nd Amendment is the most important, it was put there not to hunt or anything else except for defense. If you read the constitution, it says that it is there for the following reasons -

- Deterring tyrannical government

- Repelling invasion;

- Facilitating a natural right of self-defense;

- Participating in law enforcement;

[Galloism]

If you read the constitution, it says that it is there for the following reasons -

- Deterring tyrannical government

- Repelling invasion;

- Facilitating a natural right of self-defense;

- Participating in law enforcement;

Really? Where does the constitution say that?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Yeah, great.... they're scared to fucking death of teachers educating kids, but gung ho on arming everyone in the school.

To reiterate: The official NRA position isn't "Arm teachers! Arm Students! They'll blow the bad man away!" it's "Armed security in schools."

Which is honestly the only practical answer to school massacres like this that has a chance in hell of being even partially accomplished.

Because people would have criticized them heavily if they came out and pointed out that such events as these are incredibly rare.

[North Calaveras]

If you read the constitution, it says that it is there for the following reasons -

- Deterring tyrannical government

- Repelling invasion;

- Facilitating a natural right of self-defense;

- Participating in law enforcement;

Really? Where does the constitution say that?

necessary for the security of a free state sounds like it covers that.

[Gauthier]

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who assume that a mass of civilians armed with guns will remain calm in a shootout and possess the pinpoint accuracy of Call of Duty champions.

Call of Poopy? ArmA 2 FTW.

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

Yep, keep believing the NRA talking point that gun control advocates are solely obcessed with stripping everyone of their firearms. Let's pretend nobody is trying to be reasonable and saying maybe giving people access to military-grade weaponry when they have no point in doing so might be questionable.

[Galloism]

Really? Where does the constitution say that?

necessary for the security of a free state sounds like it covers that.

Maybe for "repelling invasion".

[Gauthier]

Yeah, great.... they're scared to fucking death of teachers educating kids, but gung ho on arming everyone in the school.

To reiterate: The official NRA position isn't "Arm teachers! Arm Students! They'll blow the bad man away!" it's "Armed security in schools."

Which is honestly the only practical answer to school massacres like this that has a chance in hell of being even partially accomplished.

Because people would have criticized them heavily if they came out and pointed out that such events as these are incredibly rare.

Columbine had armed guards and we saw how effective that was in minimizing casualties.

[North Calaveras]

necessary for the security of a free state sounds like it covers that.

Maybe for "repelling invasion".

well that line "necessary for the security of a free state" is broad, under this it would apply in all cases.

[Enadail]

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who assume that a mass of civilians armed with guns will remain calm in a shootout and possess the pinpoint accuracy of Call of Duty champions.

Call of Poopy? ArmA 2 FTW.

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

They're not telling you that you can't have a gun... they're calling on public awareness to get the public to push to legislate against guns. BIG difference. The NRA loves to get people like Ted Nugent to talk about guns because hes a musician, but someone speaking against guns? Nah, they shouldn't talk outside their fields (Fox had a fun time with this when a sports personality recently spoke against the gun violence, and they commented how people listen to him about sports, not news).

I'm disgusted that people value their guns over other people's lives.

[New Babylonia]

No way i could read all of this. But what i have read, people complaining about armedcops, police officers, men trained to defend society, being in our schools. Ever heard of a resource officer? My city has 6,000 registered adults. The high-school has 1200 students. There are six resource officers for the high-school alone, and they really do cover the whole damn place, despite its size. There's four officers stationed at the Junior High School. And three for every elementary school, of which there are five, as well as five in the old high-school, now district headquarters.

Seriously, its already done. Armed cops are already patrolling U.S. schools. And this is a pretty small 'city' too.

[Galloism]

Call of Poopy? ArmA 2 FTW.

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

They're not telling you that you can't have a gun... they're calling on public awareness to get the public to push to legislate against guns. BIG difference. The NRA loves to get people like Ted Nugent to talk about guns because hes a musician, but someone speaking against guns? Nah, they shouldn't talk outside their fields (Fox had a fun time with this when a sports personality recently spoke against the gun violence, and they commented how people listen to him about sports, not news).

I'm disgusted that people value their guns over other people's lives.

More like we just don't believe that any of the restrictions proposed will actually do a damn thing, and will result in more hoops to jump through with no demonstrable improvement in the situation.

The only thing in this entire thread I've read that might have some promise is the gun pistol-grip identification device. If that can be made to work, I have no issue in making it mandatory in all new gun sales.

[North Calaveras]

Call of Poopy? ArmA 2 FTW.

But seriously though, I just saw an ad on t.v. with a bunch of celebrities like Beyonce and Tom Cruise asking 'how many more Newtowns do we need to realize that gun violence in this country is out of control.'

I'm kinda disgusted with it. These people have no fucking right to tell me I can have or can't have a gun.

They're not telling you that you can't have a gun... they're calling on public awareness to get the public to push to legislate against guns. BIG difference. The NRA loves to get people like Ted Nugent to talk about guns because hes a musician, but someone speaking against guns? Nah, they shouldn't talk outside their fields (Fox had a fun time with this when a sports personality recently spoke against the gun violence, and they commented how people listen to him about sports, not news).

I'm disgusted that people value their guns over other people's lives.

lol you should see Chris Mathews i can provide a link if you want

What's disgusting is blowing this way out of proportion to fuel the Democrats agenda which is immediately what they did.

How many times do I have to whip out statistics? I hate getting sources but this is just to easy.

[Dainer]

Note that I stated plainly that a round in the forehead was the best defense against a crazed nut job with a gun.

It's also the best defense against a many other things, like school teachers, unruly children, angry parents, bullies, immigrants, Jews, Sikhs, n******, liberals, feminists, the boss that fired you, the guy who cut you in traffic, your own mother...

[Vortiaganica]

Really? Where does the constitution say that?

necessary for the security of a free state sounds like it covers that.

From what I can tell, you're implying that one of the uses for firearms is to protect the people from their own government in the case that it becomes non-democratic.

Your potential tyrannical government has gunships and M1 Abrams.

Any legal firearm in the United States will not do jackshit.

[Genivaria]

1.- Deterring tyrannical government

2.- Repelling invasion;

3.- Facilitating a natural right of self-defense;

4.- Participating in law enforcement;

1. The Republicans don't seem to mind actually.
2. Professional armies far outdo militia.
3. Making it harder to get a gun would actually DECREASE the frequency of muggings.
Its one thing to simply point a gun at someone, its another to have a knife and be within arms reach of them.
With a gun the mugger is safe, with a knife the mugger has to be more cautious.
4. That doesn't even make sense. The PD gives you a standard issue handgun.

[North Calaveras]

necessary for the security of a free state sounds like it covers that.

From what I can tell, you're implying that one of the uses for firearms is to protect the people from their own government in the case that it becomes non-democratic.

Your potential tyrannical government has gunships and M1 Abrams.

Any legal firearm in the United States will not do jackshit.

Small arms are a good start, seriously I'm sick of this " guns don't do shit against tanks"

YOU DON'T SAY?