NRA - Put Armed Good Guys In All Schools

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Limiting magazine capacity won't stop or limit spree shootings. Fast magazine switching is something anyone can practice in their bedroom. If they're already carrying a rifle, shotgun, multiple handguns and ammunition for each, having to carry more magazines than ordinarily isn't going to bother them much.

So let's not do anything?

Well, yeah. Why make hundreds of thousands of shooters with 'high capacity' magazines (which in some states, were listed prior to the 1994 AWB as low as three rounds capacity in a rifle) into criminals, when banning their use won't have a greatly demonstrable effect in shooting sprees (where 'high capacity' magazines are most criticised).

Also the fact that rifles such as the SKS have internal magazines. The SKS is, functionally, an AWB-compliant AK. It fires the same cartridge and is semi-automatic. Yugoslavian SKSs had no bayonet mounting and no muzzle device, meaning that it had none of the AWB-defining features - and could still be converted to mount a pistol grip and be AWB compliant.

Plus, the SKS can be charged with stripper clips, which are much lighter and faster to use than magazines.

[Tmutarakhan]

They sure do make it easier, though, don't they?

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

We need dung control!

[Galla-]

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

Already is, BTW.

There's a handful of 80s-era RPG-7Ds in the USA, and flamethrowers aren't even regulated.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

We need dung control!

That sounds like crap to me...

[Gauthier]

We need dung control!

That sounds like crap to me...

Ban toilets!

[Des-Bal]

Given that the database was part and parcel of the NRA proposals, you might want to consider a disclaimer when you defend it, lest you be thought to be defending the NRA and it's stance on gun control in general.

I didn't say anything about a database while I wouldn't object to one I was referring specifically to a mental health evaluation before buying a gun.

[Obamacult]

The best defense against a dysfunctional nut job with a high capacity magazine is a round in the forehead.

Indeed, an armed assailant operates under far more duress and less effectively if he is expecting or receiving a lethal threat in the form of a law abiding citizens with a hand gun or rifle.

In contrast, these animals pretty much are calm when executing babies in a government monopoly institution that denies its citizens their 2nd Amendment rights.

We need to make our schools hard targets, instead of the inviting soft targets that they are now.

[Gauthier]

The best defense against a dysfunctional nut job with a high capacity magazine is a round in the forehead.

Indeed, an armed assailant operates under far more duress and less effectively if he is expecting or receiving a lethal threat in the form of a law abiding citizens with a hand gun or rifle.

In contrast, these animals pretty much are calm when executing babies in a government monopoly institution that denies its citizens their 2nd Amendment rights.

We need to make our schools hard targets, instead of the inviting soft targets that they are now.

Let's go further and have children trained in the use of firearms from the moment they are able to use them. Have children pack firearms with them at all times, and teach them to draw and shoot whenever they feel there is trouble. What shooter would dare to make a move when even children are carrying firearms?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

That sounds like crap to me...

Ban toilets!

Toilets kill! Unless they are the right kind of toilets!

[Greed and Death]

Limiting magazine capacity won't stop or limit spree shootings. Fast magazine switching is something anyone can practice in their bedroom. If they're already carrying a rifle, shotgun, multiple handguns and ammunition for each, having to carry more magazines than ordinarily isn't going to bother them much.

So let's not do anything?

Banning high capacity magazines is the functional equivalent to doing nothing.

That said short of banning all guns or semi automatic guns, the only proposal that would actually reduce the number and severity of such incidents is the NRA's proposal.

[Bafuria]

So let's not do anything?

Banning high capacity magazines is the functional equivalent to doing nothing.

That said short of banning all guns or semi automatic guns, the only proposal that would actually reduce the number and severity of such incidents is the NRA's proposal.

Or you can reduce income inequality

[Communist Winnipeg]

So let's not do anything?

Banning high capacity magazines is the functional equivalent to doing nothing.

That said short of banning all guns or semi automatic guns, the only proposal that would actually reduce the number and severity of such incidents is the NRA's proposal.

No. Don't ban guns, but make them nearly unattainable.
If people have a real reason to own a gun, let them learn how to use, licence them, register them, and monitor them. If they do not maintain their guns in a safe way and keep them locked up, take their guns and ammo and lock them up. And if that means 'prying guns' out of gun nuts 'cold, dead hands', that becomes their choice.

[Zathganastan]

The best defense against a dysfunctional nut job with a high capacity magazine is a round in the forehead

Yes because clearly exchanging rounds with someone in a heavily populated building full of people has always worked out well in the past.

Indeed, an armed assailant operates under far more duress and less effectively if he is expecting or receiving a lethal threat in the form of a law abiding citizens with a hand gun or rifle.

You typical gunmen already expects to die by this events conclusion and has spent long amounts of time thinking such an event over, if anything if I were to go threw with such an act I would simply just buy body armor and a better weapon then the standard issue stuff I know the police will be using.

In contrast, these animals pretty much are calm when executing babies in a government monopoly institution that denies its citizens their 2nd Amendment rights.

Mostly because abuses of said right are often what helped cause the event to begin with.

We need to make our schools hard targets, instead of the inviting soft targets that they are now.

Again the Gunmen both expects to die and has often planed accordingly, at best adding armed guards while only add to the fatalities when a shootout erupts.

[Obamacult]

The best defense against a dysfunctional nut job with a high capacity magazine is a round in the forehead.

Indeed, an armed assailant operates under far more duress and less effectively if he is expecting or receiving a lethal threat in the form of a law abiding citizens with a hand gun or rifle.

In contrast, these animals pretty much are calm when executing babies in a government monopoly institution that denies its citizens their 2nd Amendment rights.

We need to make our schools hard targets, instead of the inviting soft targets that they are now.

Let's go further and have children trained in the use of firearms from the moment they are able to use them. Have children pack firearms with them at all times, and teach them to draw and shoot whenever they feel there is trouble. What shooter would dare to make a move when even children are carrying firearms?

That would be a government-like epic fail solution. And of course, it is a strawman and it isn't a serious argument.

No mine is to simply train and arm administrators and a few selective teachers. Many teachers are former military. And I generally trust teachers as much as I trust police. In fact, there are many I trust more than police because I believe they are prone to commit violence less than a cop.

Typically government makes bad decisions and creating a soft target among our most precious innocents in a society protected by 2nd Amendment rights is just plain dangerous and stupid.

[Divair]

The best defense against a dysfunctional nut job with a high capacity magazine is a round in the forehead.

Indeed, an armed assailant operates under far more duress and less effectively if he is expecting or receiving a lethal threat in the form of a law abiding citizens with a hand gun or rifle.

In contrast, these animals pretty much are calm when executing babies in a government monopoly institution that denies its citizens their 2nd Amendment rights.

We need to make our schools hard targets, instead of the inviting soft targets that they are now.

Let's go further and have children trained in the use of firearms from the moment they are able to use them. Have children pack firearms with them at all times, and teach them to draw and shoot whenever they feel there is trouble. What shooter would dare to make a move when even children are carrying firearms?

Brilliant plan. Our society will never experience crime again.

[Greed and Death]

Banning high capacity magazines is the functional equivalent to doing nothing.

That said short of banning all guns or semi automatic guns, the only proposal that would actually reduce the number and severity of such incidents is the NRA's proposal.

Or you can reduce income inequality

That would affect gun violence overall, not certain how it correlates to bolt out of the blue incidents like this.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Let's go further and have children trained in the use of firearms from the moment they are able to use them. [snip]

Or how about we educate children about them from a reasonable age?

At the very least it'd seriously up the competency of many people on both sides of the issue and we wouldn't have dumbasses who learned their weapons terminology from video games talking about the 'clips' in their 'automatic'.

[North Calaveras]

Let's go further and have children trained in the use of firearms from the moment they are able to use them. [snip]

Or how about we educate children about them from a reasonable age?

At the very least it'd seriously up the competency of many people on both sides of the issue and we wouldn't have dumbasses who learned their weapons terminology from video games talking about the 'clips' in their 'automatic'.

alas even i make mistakes at times

but that's a goodplan, people should be eductated, the liberals are into that right? there the ones always screaming about ignorance.

[Greed and Death]

Banning high capacity magazines is the functional equivalent to doing nothing.

That said short of banning all guns or semi automatic guns, the only proposal that would actually reduce the number and severity of such incidents is the NRA's proposal.

No. Don't ban guns, but make them nearly unattainable.
If people have a real reason to own a gun, let them learn how to use, licence them, register them, and monitor them. If they do not maintain their guns in a safe way and keep them locked up, take their guns and ammo and lock them up. And if that means 'prying guns' out of gun nuts 'cold, dead hands', that becomes their choice.

Good luck with that, doubt it would get passed or survive a legal challenge.

the rest of us would like to discuss real possible regulations.

[North Calaveras]

No. Don't ban guns, but make them nearly unattainable.
If people have a real reason to own a gun, let them learn how to use, licence them, register them, and monitor them. If they do not maintain their guns in a safe way and keep them locked up, take their guns and ammo and lock them up. And if that means 'prying guns' out of gun nuts 'cold, dead hands', that becomes their choice.

Good luck with that, doubt it would get passed or survive a legal challenge.

the rest of us would like to discuss real possible regulations.

which to be honest shouldn't even be discussed given the likeness of a school shooting happening as opposed to the number of schools in the US. But I guess if everyone will FEEL better then i suppose armed guards can be brought up...

[Bafuria]

Or you can reduce income inequality

That would affect gun violence overall, not certain how it correlates to bolt out of the blue incidents like this.

This guy seems to think so.

[Harold I]

I think this is dumb. But then again, it might be because i live in the UK, where gun laws are pretty strict.

[Obamacult]

Yes because clearly exchanging rounds with someone in a heavily populated building full of people has always worked out well in the past.

Exchanging rounds with a mass murderer is far better than taking rounds.

You typical gunmen already expects to die by this events conclusion and has spent long amounts of time thinking such an event over, if anything if I were to go threw with such an act I would simply just buy body armor and a better weapon then the standard issue stuff I know the police will be using.

I am not aware of any forehead body armor. Note that I stated plainly that a round in the forehead was the best defense against a crazed nut job with a gun. And a ball of lead in the head will disarm or kill irrespective of whether it comes from the barrel of a handgun or assault rifle. Moreover, a hand gun is a more versatile and effective weapon in a confined environment like a classroom.

Mostly because abuses of said right are often what helped cause the event to begin with.

Another right is the freedom to travel anywhere you want, should we deprive citizens of the right to leave their house and apartment because they have committed a crime? No, we should demand that government protect unarmed citizens in its monopoly institutions or in the very least allow them to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

But government as failed, not freedom or the 2nd Amendment.

Again the Gunmen both expects to die and has often planed accordingly, at best adding armed guards while only add to the fatalities when a shootout erupts.

Then train teachers how to use the weapon effectively and safely. It isn't rocket science and we still arm police. And police will still need to intervene and they will have less intel before entering a building and more likely to accidently shoot an innocent than a teacher who knows everyone in the building.

[Korvallian Reich]

ANYONE WHO SAYS NO IS AN IDIOT! No offense, but what will end up worse,

1.) Mall full of Unarmed people, including Security, one maniac with a gun.

2.) Mall with a few armed Civilians, Armed Security, One Maniac with a Gun.


Which one will have less Bystander Deaths?

[Ifreann]

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Do you know something I don't know or did you just fuck up the quotes?

Seems I fucked up the quotes. Whoops.

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ANYONE WHO SAYS NO IS AN IDIOT! No offense, but what will end up worse,

1.) Mall full of Unarmed people, including Security, one maniac with a gun.

2.) Mall with a few armed Civilians, Armed Security, One Maniac with a Gun.


Which one will have less Bystander Deaths?

The former.