NRA - Put Armed Good Guys In All Schools

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Yes they are, people are demanding measures to be taken to prevent Ammonium Nitrate from being used in explosives.

Really? Hadn't heard they were still doing that. I only remember a few attempts after the Oklahoma City bombing that got shot down pretty quickly by the farm lobby.

In the UK, following the 7/7 bombings and 21/7 attempted bombing; we really tightened up our availability of ammonium nitrate.
I think for a time at least, large purchases of the stuff were monitored, and you probably have to prove you have an industrial level of use for an industrial level of material.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

They sure do make it easier, though, don't they?

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

Actually it is...given its use in making of bombs.

Ninjered...

[Frisivisia]

Yes.

Sweet, then gun regulations should be abolished.

Not only will the murder rate go up, but the 360 fakey trickshot noscope headshot rate will too.

[Des-Bal]

Sweet, then gun regulations should be abolished.

Most of it yeah. All for certification and mental health evaluation but I'm against anything beyond that.

[Farnhamia]

Sweet, then gun regulations should be abolished.

Most of it yeah. All for certification and mental health evaluation but I'm against anything beyond that.

Because no one who is mentally ill has ever fooled anyone else about their condition. Brilliant plan.

[Bafuria]

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

Flamethrowers aren't regulated.

[Des-Bal]

Because no one who is mentally ill has ever fooled anyone else about their condition. Brilliant plan.

I'm not trying to stop 100% of all gun related deaths that is an unreachable goal and pursuing it is foolish. If evidence indicates that there is no point in evaluating mental health then we can actually strike that part.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Most of it yeah. All for certification and mental health evaluation but I'm against anything beyond that.

Because no one who is mentally ill has ever fooled anyone else about their condition. Brilliant plan.

Didn't LePierre say that there should be a national database of mentally ill people? Not sure that actually is a good idea...what with who would have access to the data etc...

I guess it could help to screen for the "good guys"...

[Gauthier]

Because no one who is mentally ill has ever fooled anyone else about their condition. Brilliant plan.

Didn't LePierre say that there should be a national database of mentally ill people? Not sure that actually is a good idea...what with who would have access to the data etc...

I guess it could help to screen for the "good guys"...

And according to LaPierre video games and movies also need to be heavily regulated because they're complicit in gun violence.

[Farnhamia]

Because no one who is mentally ill has ever fooled anyone else about their condition. Brilliant plan.

I'm not trying to stop 100% of all gun related deaths that is an unreachable goal and pursuing it is foolish. If evidence indicates that there is no point in evaluating mental health then we can actually strike that part.

I acknowledge that stopping 100% of gun deaths in this country is probably not possible, but my point was that mentally ill people may not always display symptoms.

Anyway, I imagine that Mr. LaPierre would be out there denouncing Big Government if his database ever materialized. If he didn't, plenty of others on his side of the aisle would.

[Farnhamia]

Didn't LePierre say that there should be a national database of mentally ill people? Not sure that actually is a good idea...what with who would have access to the data etc...

I guess it could help to screen for the "good guys"...

And according to LaPierre video games and movies also need to be heavily regulated because they're complicit in gun violence.

And that devil's music, too.

[Des-Bal]

I'm not trying to stop 100% of all gun related deaths that is an unreachable goal and pursuing it is foolish. If evidence indicates that there is no point in evaluating mental health then we can actually strike that part.

I acknowledge that stopping 100% of gun deaths in this country is probably not possible, but my point was that mentally ill people may not always display symptoms.

Anyway, I imagine that Mr. LaPierre would be out there denouncing Big Government if his database ever materialized. If he didn't, plenty of others on his side of the aisle would.

I never argued against that point.

I don't care about LaPierre or his politics, only my own. I would not be adverse to a list of people whose mental state precludes them from owning a firearm.

[Obamacult]

Essentially, government has failed to protect its innocents in a government monopoly institution, so the response is to further limit the freedoms of the citizenry.

1) The Bill of Rights guarantees the right to bear arms.

2) Government denies this right in its monopoly schools, thereby making this a soft target to every nut job with a gun. Hence, the preponderance of violent attacks against our undefended babies in government schools.

3)Government's failure to protect its buildings, leads to further restrictions in freedoms to law abiding citizens.

4) Criminals are not punished since they don't generally follow the law.

5) The ability of law abiding citizens to protect themselves is further deteriorated, more soft targets, more attacks.

6) Government blames rights for these attacks on soft targets instead of itself, more government abuses, less freedoms.

[Farnhamia]

I acknowledge that stopping 100% of gun deaths in this country is probably not possible, but my point was that mentally ill people may not always display symptoms.

Anyway, I imagine that Mr. LaPierre would be out there denouncing Big Government if his database ever materialized. If he didn't, plenty of others on his side of the aisle would.

I never argued against that point.

I don't care about LaPierre or his politics, only my own. I would not be adverse to a list of people whose mental state precludes them from owning a firearm.

Given that the database was part and parcel of the NRA proposals, you might want to consider a disclaimer when you defend it, lest you be thought to be defending the NRA and it's stance on gun control in general.

[Mike the Progressive]

Remember.

Wayne LaPierre said it's not gun accessibility that contributes to mass shootings, it's video games like Mortal Kombat and violent movies like Natural Born Killers.

So we should pack public schools with armed security guards.

And heavily regulate video games. Because guns with high ammunition capacity and firing rate are a Constitutional right but video games are culpable for mass shootings.

*Nod nod.*

Yes because after playing GTA there's nothing I wanna do more then drive on the sidewalk running people over.

Or at least prostitutes. No, especially prostitutes.

Look, the NRA's position on this is bizarre at best, but they do not represent all gun owners and their views. That being said, as somebody who hunts and owns a couple of rifles, I've never understood why anybody would need a 10+ magazine, or even an assault rifle.

To the claims of self defense, that if we arm people, they will be crack shots -I've never heard of anything more insane. Trained professionals are not always ready, why do we expect "trained" civilians to be any better? There is a real difference between shooting a paper target that doesn't shoot back, that doesn't move, that isn't real to shooting a real human being, presumably a "bad guy" in a crowded or public place. That you would actually hit him and not everybody else in the process. If you think otherwise, back away from the Xbox, video games are not real.

With respect to so called "mental tests," I've never heard of anything more asinine in my life. What constitutes a healthy mind? Considering only decades ago, our medical establishment viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder, God only knows what today they are viewing as an illness or disorder that is really just something different.

The best proposal I've heard is by Manchin, which is to limit magazine capacity. It won't stop gun violence, but it will reduce it. Most people don't purchase firearms illegally, most don't know how to tweak an AR to be full automatic, most don't load very well in a real life situation. And it's the best proposal I've heard yet that doesn't infringe on my right to bear arms.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Didn't LePierre say that there should be a national database of mentally ill people? Not sure that actually is a good idea...what with who would have access to the data etc...

I guess it could help to screen for the "good guys"...

And according to LaPierre video games and movies also need to be heavily regulated because they're complicit in gun violence.

Yet nothing about sensationalist TV reporting...odd that huh?

[Ifreann]

I think that armed guards should be stationed at schools. And by armed guards I mean the police. Why? Lemme see:
1) They're trained for it.

Hmm, are they? Trained to guard doorways, probably. But to deal with children from 5 to 18? Don't know about that.

2) They're the living embodiment of the law, dammit!

Most police officers are not Judge Dredd. In fact, unless Sylvester Stallone has had a change of career, none of them are.

3) Kevlar vests: they have access to them.

Doesn't everyone?

4) If you can't trust them, who can you?

We can't trust them. That's why we have independent groups to investigate them when they're accused of wrongdoing.

Am I for teachers, with appropriate training to have guns on their person? Yes. Why? Because cowering on the other side of a wooden door in a tightly packed group backfires pretty damn quickly. And so does huddling in corners. And who said the gun has to fire bullets? Tranquilizer darts, tasers, beanbag rounds, rubber bullets; we have plenty of less than lethal ammunition.

And if teachers get pissed at their students and pull their less-lethal weapon? Or vice versa? Whole lot of risk for situations that almost never happen.

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My old highschool had an armed security guard, and no one's ever tried shooting the place up. So... I'd say yes?

Neither my primary school nor secondary school had security guards of any kind. My college has unarmed security guards. No one has ever tried shooting up any of those places. What now?

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Remember.

Wayne LaPierre said it's not gun accessibility that contributes to mass shootings, it's video games like Mortal Kombat and violent movies like Natural Born Killers.

So we should pack public schools with armed security guards.

And heavily regulate video games. Because guns with high ammunition capacity and firing rate are a Constitutional right but video games are culpable for mass shootings.

*Nod nod.*

I know every time I pick up a gun, I can't help but shoot the closest thirty people around me.

It's a darn shame, too. If only guns didn't cause violence.

I have a similar problem. If I play New Vegas for too long I start killing people with a shotgun strapped to my fist and rifling through their pockets for bottle caps.

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Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

Can I mount a machine gun on my car? It would come in so handy when some fool is driving the speed limit down the highway.

With a sufficiently large machine gun you could point it backwards and use the recoil to out run them.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Limiting magazine capacity won't stop or limit spree shootings. Fast magazine switching is something anyone can practice in their bedroom. If they're already carrying a rifle, shotgun, multiple handguns and ammunition for each, having to carry more magazines than ordinarily isn't going to bother them much.

[Farnhamia]

Limiting magazine capacity won't stop or limit spree shootings. Fast magazine switching is something anyone can practice in their bedroom. If they're already carrying a rifle, shotgun, multiple handguns and ammunition for each, having to carry more magazines than ordinarily isn't going to bother them much.

So let's not do anything?

[Mike the Progressive]

Limiting magazine capacity won't stop or limit spree shootings. Fast magazine switching is something anyone can practice in their bedroom. If they're already carrying a rifle, shotgun, multiple handguns and ammunition for each, having to carry more magazines than ordinarily isn't going to bother them much.

People who sincerely believe you behave the same way in private or in practice, as you do in combat or with bullets whizzing by are either ignorant tools, inexperienced fools, or sociopaths. In case of the latter, you have some more serious problems. Even then, that doesn't make them skilled with a weapon.

[Gauthier]

Limiting magazine capacity won't stop or limit spree shootings. Fast magazine switching is something anyone can practice in their bedroom. If they're already carrying a rifle, shotgun, multiple handguns and ammunition for each, having to carry more magazines than ordinarily isn't going to bother them much.

So let's not do anything?

On the contrary, we should make drums and belts legal. *nod nod*

[Bafuria]

Yes because after playing GTA there's nothing I wanna do more then drive on the sidewalk running people over.

Or at least prostitutes. No, especially prostitutes.

Look, the NRA's position on this is bizarre at best, but they do not represent all gun owners and their views. That being said, as somebody who hunts and owns a couple of rifles, I've never understood why anybody would need a 10+ magazine, or even an assault rifle.

To the claims of self defense, that if we arm people, they will be crack shots -I've never heard of anything more insane. Trained professionals are not always ready, why do we expect "trained" civilians to be any better? There is a real difference between shooting a paper target that doesn't shoot back, that doesn't move, that isn't real to shooting a real human being, presumably a "bad guy" in a crowded or public place. That you would actually hit him and not everybody else in the process. If you think otherwise, back away from the Xbox, video games are not real.

With respect to so called "mental tests," I've never heard of anything more asinine in my life. What constitutes a healthy mind? Considering only decades ago, our medical establishment viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder, God only knows what today they are viewing as an illness or disorder that is really just something different.

The best proposal I've heard is by Manchin, which is to limit magazine capacity. It won't stop gun violence, but it will reduce it. Most people don't purchase firearms illegally, most don't know how to tweak an AR to be full automatic, most don't load very well in a real life situation. And it's the best proposal I've heard yet that doesn't infringe on my right to bear arms.

I don't think a high-capacity magazine is going to make a difference.

Mass shooters rarely fire so fast that a high capacity magazine is going to be useful to them and even if they were, they would still be able to obtain grandfathered high capacity magazines at a slightly higher price.
Also, most street criminals prefer compact handguns, which generally have a single-stack magazine with less than 10 rounds.

Closing the gunshow loophole would help a lot, so would implementing safe storage laws and mandatory reporting of lost or stolen firearms.

[Farnhamia]

So let's not do anything?

On the contrary, we should make drums and belts legal. *nod nod*

Grapeshot?

[Geilinor]

Because no one who is mentally ill has ever fooled anyone else about their condition. Brilliant plan.

Didn't LePierre say that there should be a national database of mentally ill people? Not sure that actually is a good idea...what with who would have access to the data etc...

I guess it could help to screen for the "good guys"...

If we have a database, it makes the mental health evaluation quick. The government has national databases on lots of sensitive information, advanced hackers could get into those.

[L Ron Cupboard]

I think that armed guards should be stationed at schools. And by armed guards I mean the police. Why? Lemme see:
1) They're trained for it.

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Do you know something I don't know or did you just fuck up the quotes?