NRA - Put Armed Good Guys In All Schools

[Gauthier]

Remember.

Wayne LaPierre said it's not gun accessibility that contributes to mass shootings, it's video games like Mortal Kombat and violent movies like Natural Born Killers.

So we should pack public schools with armed security guards.

And heavily regulate video games. Because guns with high ammunition capacity and firing rate are a Constitutional right but video games are culpable for mass shootings.

*Nod nod.*

[Samozaryadnyastan]

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/au ... tatistics/

Well, we'll have to see. There are differences between the criteria used to choose the incidents, for one thing. I looked at only one in the Daily Anarchist's list, the Odighizuwa shooting, and found that there are conflicting reports as to whether the shooter dropped his weapon in response to the appearance of the armed civilians or before. It seems that most of the civilian interventions consisted of tackling the shooter, not shooting him.

Supposedly, his data is based on the compilation of up to a hundred shootings.
I also recall him saying that only one shooting stopped by civilians featured a tackling, and that was Loughner's shooting.

Nevermind, he was saying that Loughner's was the only civilian-intervention shooting in which more than three died.
The railcar incident was probably not included in that as it does not technically constitute a 'spree'.

[Poorisolation]

http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/au ... tatistics/

Well, we'll have to see. There are differences between the criteria used to choose the incidents, for one thing. I looked at only one in the Daily Anarchist's list, the Odighizuwa shooting, and found that there are conflicting reports as to whether the shooter dropped his weapon in response to the appearance of the armed civilians or before. It seems that most of the civilian interventions consisted of tackling the shooter, not shooting him.

I think the point that seems to escape the majority of proponents of the "civilians stop shooters" argument like Ann Coulter and this Daily Anarchist guy is what a whole lot of examples they can draw upon....lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots....in fact so many that before long they can end up with more shooting incidents that fit their prescription than the total number of shooting incidents in say England and Wales plus France plus even Germany in total in the same time frame and theirs is just a subset of American firearms incidents. Oh and their body count ends up being far higher as well.

[Sidhae]

Don't you find it a little amusing that whenever one random idiot fills a few kids with lead, all the big-mouthed political interest groups are up in flames, screaming about gun control (or less gun control), denouncing the shooter as everything from psycho to right-wing extremist and basically make a big circus to gain political capital from the public, basically blatantly profiteering on what's ultimately an insignificant tragedy blown out of proportion. At the same time these very same people don't see anything wrong with massacring women and children as long as it's handled by professionals in the name of a "greater good", in which case the killers are lauded as patriotic heroes and the victims politely described along the line of "unfortunate collateral damage".

And as always, there's the scapegoating and witch hunts, people looking for something to blame the event on, from free availability of guns to rock music and violent video games.

As long as that attitude persists and American people will not seriously re-evaluate the ways of their society in general, there will continue to be school massacres even if schools were turned into prisons with razor-wire fences, armed guards in towers and body cavity check at the entrance. Seriously fucked-up people like these shooters don't come from nowhere - they are bred by a seriously fucked-up society.

I guess we new Romans are breeding our own Goths and Huns within rather than awaiting them from outside.

[Genivaria]

Remember.

Wayne LaPierre said it's not gun accessibility that contributes to mass shootings, it's video games like Mortal Kombat and violent movies like Natural Born Killers.

So we should pack public schools with armed security guards.

And heavily regulate video games. Because guns with high ammunition capacity and firing rate are a Constitutional right but video games are culpable for mass shootings.

*Nod nod.*

Yes because after playing GTA there's nothing I wanna do more then drive on the sidewalk running people over.

[Genivaria]

Don't you find it a little amusing that whenever one random idiot fills a few kids with lead, all the big-mouthed political interest groups are up in flames, screaming about gun control (or less gun control), denouncing the shooter as everything from psycho to right-wing extremist and basically make a big circus to gain political capital from the public, basically blatantly profiteering on what's ultimately an insignificant tragedy blown out of proportion. At the same time these very same people don't see anything wrong with massacring women and children as long as it's handled by professionals in the name of a "greater good", in which case the killers are lauded as patriotic heroes and the victims politely described along the line of "unfortunate collateral damage".

Thats a nice strawman you've got there.

[Gauthier]

Remember.

Wayne LaPierre said it's not gun accessibility that contributes to mass shootings, it's video games like Mortal Kombat and violent movies like Natural Born Killers.

So we should pack public schools with armed security guards.

And heavily regulate video games. Because guns with high ammunition capacity and firing rate are a Constitutional right but video games are culpable for mass shootings.

*Nod nod.*

Yes because after playing GTA there's nothing I wanna do more then drive on the sidewalk running people over.

SEE!! HE WAS RIGHT!!

[Des-Bal]

Yes. If I cannot maintain my own ethical standards on an Internet forum where violating them doesn't mean a thing, how can I maintain them in the face of actual adversity?

Yes.


Er, no, in fact it feels quite shitty. I don't think you understand anything I've said so far in this thread, or any other thread about gun control for that matter. Treating the symptoms of the problem don't make the problem go away. They just make you feel good temporarily.

If your ethical standards don't make sense you shouldn't have them.

There's where the disconnect lies. I consider the issue to be mass murder and you consider it to be guns as a concept. Your agenda is "fewer guns" even in situations where you acknowledge more guns is better because of that you're really not capable of addressing the actual issues. When you concede that your objective isn't actually preventing tragedies your position is no longer worthy of consideration. A broken arm is not a symptom caused by the overarching issue of having a skeleton.

[Formisia]

My old highschool had an armed security guard, and no one's ever tried shooting the place up. So... I'd say yes? Seriously, who looks at a school shooting and says, "No! We must keep those poor, innocent children unprotected at all costs!" News flash: cops don't get there until shit's already hit the fan. Yes, have gun regulation by all means, but don't be so naive as to think regulation alone is going to stop these shootings in the short term.

[Farnhamia]

Well, we'll have to see. There are differences between the criteria used to choose the incidents, for one thing. I looked at only one in the Daily Anarchist's list, the Odighizuwa shooting, and found that there are conflicting reports as to whether the shooter dropped his weapon in response to the appearance of the armed civilians or before. It seems that most of the civilian interventions consisted of tackling the shooter, not shooting him.

I think the point that seems to escape the majority of proponents of the "civilians stop shooters" argument like Ann Coulter and this Daily Anarchist guy is what a whole lot of examples they can draw upon....lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots....in fact so many that before long they can end up with more shooting incidents that fit their prescription than the total number of shooting incidents in say England and Wales plus France plus even Germany in total in the same time frame and theirs is just a subset of American firearms incidents. Oh and their body count ends up being far higher as well.

At least the people who put together the Mother Jones article stated their criteria for choosing incidents. Four killed, for instance, and not including the shooter (three plus the shooter doesn't make it). The Anarchist guy didn't, that I saw.

[L Ron Cupboard]

If you do not wish to observe the above, kindly fuck off and comment on somebody else's post.
Thank you.

What is this, kindegarten?

[Farnhamia]

If you do not wish to observe the above, kindly fuck off and comment on somebody else's post.
Thank you.

What is this, kindegarten?

That little disclaimer reminds me of posts that start, "I'm no racist but ..."

[Galla-]

Remember.

Wayne LaPierre said it's not gun accessibility that contributes to mass shootings, it's video games like Mortal Kombat and violent movies like Natural Born Killers.

So we should pack public schools with armed security guards.

And heavily regulate video games. Because guns with high ammunition capacity and firing rate are a Constitutional right but video games are culpable for mass shootings.

*Nod nod.*

I know every time I pick up a gun, I can't help but shoot the closest thirty people around me.

It's a darn shame, too. If only guns didn't cause violence.

[Farnhamia]

Remember.

Wayne LaPierre said it's not gun accessibility that contributes to mass shootings, it's video games like Mortal Kombat and violent movies like Natural Born Killers.

So we should pack public schools with armed security guards.

And heavily regulate video games. Because guns with high ammunition capacity and firing rate are a Constitutional right but video games are culpable for mass shootings.

*Nod nod.*

I know every time I pick up a gun, I can't help but shoot the closest thirty people around me.

It's a darn shame, too. If only guns didn't cause violence.

They sure do make it easier, though, don't they?

[Gauthier]

I know every time I pick up a gun, I can't help but shoot the closest thirty people around me.

It's a darn shame, too. If only guns didn't cause violence.

They sure do make it easier, though, don't they?

But if they didn't have guns, they'd use something else like knives or cars! So we shouldn't do anything about guns because violent people will use something else anyways!

[Occupied Deutschland]

I know every time I pick up a gun, I can't help but shoot the closest thirty people around me.

It's a darn shame, too. If only guns didn't cause violence.

They sure do make it easier, though, don't they?

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

[Gauthier]

They sure do make it easier, though, don't they?

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

[Farnhamia]

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

Can I mount a machine gun on my car? It would come in so handy when some fool is driving the speed limit down the highway.

[Gauthier]

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

Can I mount a machine gun on my car? It would come in so handy when some fool is driving the speed limit down the highway.

Of course. And if you decide to shoot up people with your machine gun, it's because Mortal Kombat made you do it.

[Des-Bal]

They sure do make it easier, though, don't they?

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

Yes they are, people are demanding measures to be taken to prevent Ammonium Nitrate from being used in explosives.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

Can I mount a machine gun on my car? It would come in so handy when some fool is driving the speed limit down the highway.

Supposedly, in Virginia, this would actually be legal.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

It actually is.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So does fertilizer.

Nobody's calling for fertilizer control.

Yes they are, people are demanding measures to be taken to prevent Ammonium Nitrate from being used in explosives.

Really? Hadn't heard they were still doing that. I only remember a few attempts after the Oklahoma City bombing that got shot down pretty quickly by the farm lobby.

[Des-Bal]

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

Yes.

[Gauthier]

Why bother having gun regulations? Should be legal for anyone to carry a rocket launcher or flame thrower.

Yes.

Sweet, then gun regulations should be abolished.