Obama Will Take Your Guns

[Crolacia]

Ban all guns!

[The UK in Exile]

Since when are garages high-priority targets?

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulle ... mi-warning!

Good job.
Now mass produce it, get it across the (now more heavily-guarded) border, (thank goodness for all that tax money from the newly-legalized drugs, eh?) find a buyer, find where the buyer is, and try to make a profit, then see if the buyer can go on to commit 27 murders, oh wait he can't, he got caught on a street corner on his way to school by the cops called by a civilian while trying to hide the damn thing.

he brought the barrel anyway. that wasn't made in a garage.

[The New Lowlands]

No, it makes you somewhat sensible.
If people with guns are coming your way, even if you have a gun, generally the best thing to do is not to engage them.

If you want to lose then sure, you can't win a war by always running.

peace

What war?

[The New Lowlands]

Ban all guns!

Bad idea in the US, although I agree with the sentiment.

[Grave_n_idle]

Ban all guns!

Bad idea in the US, although I agree with the sentiment.

Bad idea, anyway. What are our military going to carry to war, pies?

[Tesseria]

What if (and bear with me, this is a big 'un!)

You're wrong, and he doesn't, or the civilians strike back?

[Rome and Italy]

This only fuels me belief that a majority of gun owners are insane...

[The New Lowlands]

That doesn't make any sense.
If you legalize drugs, the illegal market breaks down. Note how it worked for alcohol.
If guns are banned, yes, some people will aqcuire them illegally. They will also be much easier to catch, as import/export regulation is simplified considerably. In addition, I'm not advocating an immediate total ban.
Supply and demand are not the only factors in the economy. There aren't enough concentrated gun nuts, not even in the US, to start a significant illegal market.

If it didn't work for alcohol during the '30s nor drugs during the present, what makes you think that legalizing pot so cartels are "out of business" will do anything if you ban guns? They're cartels. They'll just, you know, exploit the new black market for guns.

I'm also glad that you're aware of the exact number of gun-owning folks in the United States and know exactly how they would react to such a ban that you are proposing. You're in Europe, right? Guess that means I was right about all the French not fighting back if I decided to stroll in with a rifle and a Stahlhelm!

I'm happy to tell you that no, I don't but there's 300 million Americans, most of whom are city-dwellers, and not the rural gun-loving demographic. Nor am I actually advocating a total ban on guns. (although frankly, I wouldn't mind it.)

[Crolacia]

Ban all guns!

Bad idea in the US, although I agree with the sentiment.

Why a bad idea? People kill each other because they have guns. If the shooter in that school few days ago didn't have guns avaliable on every corner he wouldn't kill people!

[The New Lowlands]

Bad idea in the US, although I agree with the sentiment.

Bad idea, anyway. What are our military going to carry to war, pies?

I thought we all nonverbally agreed that 'banning guns' referred to civilian ownership, or was that just my imagination?

[Grave_n_idle]

This only fuels me belief that a majority of gun owners are insane...

I'm not sure it corresponds to the majority - just the loud, vocal fraction.

[Tesseria]

Bad idea in the US, although I agree with the sentiment.

Why a bad idea? People kill each other because they have guns. If the shooter in that school few days ago didn't have guns avaliable on every corner he wouldn't kill people!

Or he'd grab a knife/sword/other kind of tool/weapon and do it, such as the massacre that happened several days before Sandy Hook.

[Saiwania]

I'm Dutch, so I'll thank you for not calling me an American liberal.

It has been my observation that the liberals in the US generally love the European welfare states and want to gradually change the US to become just like those countries. Even if you are Dutch, the Democrats in the US still use that sort of rhetoric to advocate for their policies. They love countries such as yours and want to emulate the laws over in Europe.

[Grave_n_idle]

Bad idea, anyway. What are our military going to carry to war, pies?

I thought we all nonverbally agreed that 'banning guns' referred to civilian ownership, or was that just my imagination?

*shrugs*

"Ban all guns" seems like a self-contained argument.

I didn't see exceptions for farmers for pest control, sport shooters, or any of that kind of thing - much less for military or police matters.

[The New Lowlands]

Why a bad idea? People kill each other because they have guns. If the shooter in that school few days ago didn't have guns avaliable on every corner he wouldn't kill people!

Or he'd grab a knife/sword/other kind of tool/weapon and do it, such as the massacre that happened several days before Sandy Hook.

And be the children would be able to run away without getting magically stabbed from a distance.
There's a reason militaries adopted guns; they work better at killing than swords.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

hell if he puts semi automatic military firearms on a licence just do what i do and put down for reason for having this weapon as 'im a collector' goes right over there heads and they have to let you get the gun. thats a loop hole in british gun laws right there

[The New Lowlands]

I'm Dutch, so I'll thank you for not calling me an American liberal.

It has been my observation that the liberals in the US generally love the European welfare states and want to gradually change the US to become just like those countries. Even if you are Dutch, the Democrats in the US still use that sort of rhetoric to advocate their policies.

It's good rhetoric, though. If it worked somewhere else, why not here?

I mean, universal free speech worked pretty well in America and then us Europeans decided it was an okay idea.

Or was it you that took it from us? I keep forgetting.

[Grave_n_idle]

Why a bad idea? People kill each other because they have guns. If the shooter in that school few days ago didn't have guns avaliable on every corner he wouldn't kill people!

Or he'd grab a knife/sword/other kind of tool/weapon and do it, such as the massacre that happened several days before Sandy Hook.

Although there may well have been less victims if the knife, sword or tool had been the weapon - and the 'spree' might have been ended either earlier (with resistance from people already on site) or with less casualties (with law enforcement arriveing before a higher bodycount could be achieved).

Guns make it quick and easy to kill people - by design.

[Crolacia]

Why a bad idea? People kill each other because they have guns. If the shooter in that school few days ago didn't have guns avaliable on every corner he wouldn't kill people!

Or he'd grab a knife/sword/other kind of tool/weapon and do it, such as the massacre that happened several days before Sandy Hook.

Oh and you're telling me he would kill so many people as he did? NO.

[Spreewerke]

They are multi-billionare dollare organization that has global contacts...

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If the US stopped making guns, the cartel imports would dry up - because the cartel imports are US exports.

That is 78% of the guns that were traced. Thirty seconds with a dremel tool renders a weapon untraceable. If you can't trace it, of course it won't go back to a gun store in the United States. If it comes from an illegal arms market of unknown origin, good luck tracing that back, as well.

Perhaps you should read this, also: http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2012/s1209.pdf

The BATFE allowed the straw-purchasers to continue doing what they were doing, effectively just giving them away, in order to see "what would happen."

[Tmutarakhan]

Why a bad idea? People kill each other because they have guns. If the shooter in that school few days ago didn't have guns avaliable on every corner he wouldn't kill people!

Or he'd grab a knife/sword/other kind of tool/weapon and do it, such as the massacre that happened several days before Sandy Hook.

The one where nobody died, you mean?

[New Densaner]

Obama is coming for your guns. He has always wanted your guns. He waited until his second term to secure a mandate for rule. Now that he has a mandate, and the political winds are shifting, he will come for your guns.

He will start with a nationwide gun buyback. The weak and the lilly-livered will let the government pay them in paper, a currency that will soon be worthless. The strong, such as the retired cops, veterans, and the really nutty, will clasp their guns. Obama will take them, too.

There may be states which may resist the Will of Obama. Their governors may instruct state police officers not to cooperate with Obama’s dictates. They may even go to court to seek an injunction against enforcement until Obama’s dictates are deemed constitutional. Yet the courts are spineless without well-armed citizens. Obama will disarm everyone in those states by declaring martial law, appointing a plenipotentiary for that state, and collecting guns.

There may be militias who oppose Obama’s will. They are well-armed, and have sophisticated and lethal weapons most people cannot access. Obama and his armies have way more firepower, though. Lethal force could be met with lethal force.

Once Obama confiscates all of your weapons, there is no stopping his plan of making the U.S. a U.N. vassal state. All laws in the U.S, including constitutional amendments, will be passed in the General Assembly. Dictatorships like North Korea and Equatorial Guinea will have equal vote to other democracies. Our Security Council seat will be eliminated. Obama will still be the executive, but he will merely be the CEO. His directives will come from a committee of 23 bureaucrats, who interpret the General Assembly’’s mandate.

Agenda 23 will be ruthlessly enforced. Most suburbs will be depopulated, and the displaced will go into large Soviet-style apartment blocks. Work will be for the connected first – all others will live on the generosity of the state. They may wish to rebel against this repressive, un-American lifestyle, but they cannot. They have no guns.

OH NO!

Wait a minute. I don't have any guns. And gun nuts shouldn't have them either.

[Tesseria]

What if he crashed a truck with explosives loaded into it into the school? Would you want to ban trucks then?

[Grave_n_idle]

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If the US stopped making guns, the cartel imports would dry up - because the cartel imports are US exports.

That is 78% of the guns that were traced. Thirty seconds with a dremel tool renders a weapon untraceable. If you can't trace it, of course it won't go back to a gun store in the United States. If it comes from an illegal arms market of unknown origin, good luck tracing that back, as well.

Perhaps you should read this, also: http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2012/s1209.pdf

The BATFE allowed the straw-purchasers to continue doing what they were doing, effectively just giving them away, in order to see "what would happen."

I'm sure you think you're making a point. I'm sure you think it somehow addresses what went before.

[The New Lowlands]

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If the US stopped making guns, the cartel imports would dry up - because the cartel imports are US exports.

That is 78% of the guns that were traced. Thirty seconds with a dremel tool renders a weapon untraceable. If you can't trace it, of course it won't go back to a gun store in the United States. If it comes from an illegal arms market of unknown origin, good luck tracing that back, as well.

Perhaps you should read this, also: http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2012/s1209.pdf

The BATFE allowed the straw-purchasers to continue doing what they were doing, effectively just giving them away, in order to see "what would happen."

So, we find the majority of tracked guns are coming from the US, after tracing them using controlled releases as per the scientific method- I'm sure they've managed to track one or two as magically coming from the third-world hellholes where they're meant to be cheap as hell- and that means that the majority of them must be sourced from elsewhere?