Obama Will Take Your Guns

[The New Lowlands]

Granted, no, but there's the Troubles and Northern Ireland and the IRA and all that shit.
It seems to be working fine for Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, the Netherlands, etc...

Dosn't matter the situation is NOT the same, you don't have the same situation as you do with Mexico. Besides, I don't like europe, there way to politcally correct.

Being politically correct is a bad thing?
No, we don't have the same situation. Our neighbors border Russia and we have to have open borders with Eastern Europe under Schengen. Our situation, many would say, ought to be worse.

[Parti Ouvrier]

great britain dosn't have hundreds of miles of the Mexican border underneath it, it's an island. If you can sneak a mexican in you can easily sneak weapons and if the cartel can't get guns from elsewhere(which they easily can) they can easily produce cheaper variants themselves and sell them over the border and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it unless you want to build a wall.

Granted, no, but there's the Troubles and Northern Ireland and the IRA and all that shit.
It seems to be working fine for Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, the Netherlands, etc...

And an armed population is working fine for the Swiss.

[The New Lowlands]

Granted, no, but there's the Troubles and Northern Ireland and the IRA and all that shit.
It seems to be working fine for Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, the Netherlands, etc...

And an armed population is working fine for the Swiss.

Yes, because they have conscription and more heavy gun regulation than the United States.

[Grave_n_idle]

And from there, get bombed into smithereens by planes and or cruise missiles.

Better to die with a weapon in your hand then in the streets like a dog.

Better to not die, even if it crimps your ITG style.

[North Calaveras]

Dosn't matter the situation is NOT the same, you don't have the same situation as you do with Mexico. Besides, I don't like europe, there way to politcally correct.

Being politically correct is a bad thing?
No, we don't have the same situation. Our neighbors border Russia and we have to have open borders with Eastern Europe under Schengen. Our situation, many would say, ought to be worse.

it ought to be worse but it isn't...

the Mexican cartel is virtually untouched, if they want to sell guns to Americans they are going to do it, nothing short of war will remove them so unless your willing to go to war and tear apart mexico this whole idea of restricting/banning firearms is a joke and a bad one at that.

[North Calaveras]

Better to die with a weapon in your hand then in the streets like a dog.

Better to not die, even if it crimps your ITG style.

Bro, do you even lift?

[The New Lowlands]

Being politically correct is a bad thing?
No, we don't have the same situation. Our neighbors border Russia and we have to have open borders with Eastern Europe under Schengen. Our situation, many would say, ought to be worse.

it ought to be worse but it isn't...

the Mexican cartel is virtually untouched, if they want to sell guns to Americans they are going to do it, nothing short of war will remove them so unless your willing to go to war and tear apart mexico this whole idea of restricting/banning firearms is a joke and a bad one at that.

It isn't, because guess what's banned in European states?
And guess what isn't banned in America?
The Mexican cartel is being torn apart in what is practically a civil war raging across México. If you want to take them down, legalize (and regulate) pot and other drugs.

[Grave_n_idle]

Better to not die, even if it crimps your ITG style.

Bro, do you even lift?

Not in twenty years, now. Not sure how it connects to it being better not to die than to die, though.

Is this more of the ITG persona, and I missed something?

[North Calaveras]

it ought to be worse but it isn't...

the Mexican cartel is virtually untouched, if they want to sell guns to Americans they are going to do it, nothing short of war will remove them so unless your willing to go to war and tear apart mexico this whole idea of restricting/banning firearms is a joke and a bad one at that.

It isn't, because guess what's banned in Europe?
And guess what isn't banned in America?
The Mexican cartel is being torn apart in what is practically a civil war raging across México. If you want to take them down, legalize (and regulate) pot and other drugs.

That won't destroy the cartel only slow them down, supply and demand it's quite simple, if guns are banned people are going to get them illegally and even worse for the pro-gun control crowd they will be unchecked and of any model/make the person wants, hell you would probably get even more fully automatic arms since people don't have to worry about regulations then.

[North Calaveras]

Bro, do you even lift?

Not in twenty years, now. Not sure how it connects to it being better not to die than to die, though.

Is this more of the ITG persona, and I missed something?

Not sure how im being an internet tough guy, I didn't realize supporting the defense of liberty is being an ITG but whatver you say bro.

nap time, be back later.

[Parti Ouvrier]

And an armed population is working fine for the Swiss.

Yes, because they have conscription and more heavy gun regulation than the United States.

If you've been in the army,(that's most of the adult population) you get to keep your firearm.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Not in twenty years, now. Not sure how it connects to it being better not to die than to die, though.

Is this more of the ITG persona, and I missed something?

Not sure how im being an internet tough guy, I didn't realize supporting the defense of liberty is being an ITG but whatver you say bro.

nap time, be back later.

And it's a democratic right in the US I believe.

[The New Lowlands]

It isn't, because guess what's banned in Europe?
And guess what isn't banned in America?
The Mexican cartel is being torn apart in what is practically a civil war raging across México. If you want to take them down, legalize (and regulate) pot and other drugs.

That won't destroy the cartel only slow them down, supply and demand it's quite simple, if guns are banned people are going to get them illegally and even worse for the pro-gun control crowd they will be unchecked and of any model/make the person wants, hell you would probably get even more fully automatic arms since people don't have to worry about regulations then.

That doesn't make any sense.
If you legalize drugs, the illegal market breaks down. Note how it worked for alcohol.
If guns are banned, yes, some people will aqcuire them illegally. They will also be much easier to catch, as import/export regulation is simplified considerably. In addition, I'm not advocating an immediate total ban.
Supply and demand are not the only factors in the economy. There aren't enough concentrated gun nuts, not even in the US, to start a significant illegal market.

[Grave_n_idle]

Not in twenty years, now. Not sure how it connects to it being better not to die than to die, though.

Is this more of the ITG persona, and I missed something?

Not sure how im being an internet tough guy...

Try reading your posts before you hit 'submit'.

[North Calaveras]

That won't destroy the cartel only slow them down, supply and demand it's quite simple, if guns are banned people are going to get them illegally and even worse for the pro-gun control crowd they will be unchecked and of any model/make the person wants, hell you would probably get even more fully automatic arms since people don't have to worry about regulations then.

That doesn't make any sense.
If you legalize drugs, the illegal market breaks down. Note how it worked for alcohol.
If guns are banned, yes, some people will aqcuire them illegally. They will also be much easier to catch, as import/export regulation is simplified considerably. In addition, I'm not advocating an immediate total ban.
Supply and demand are not the only factors in the economy. There aren't enough concentrated gun nuts, not even in the US, to start a significant illegal market.

Not the same, the Mexican border is far to insecure to prevent incoming arms from a black market, we have thousands of illegals coming here, you honestly think it's going to be more difficult to smuggle in weapons when we can't even stop THOUSANDS of people?

Note: Please stop calling us "Gun-nuts" were not crazy psychopaths.

[North Calaveras]

Not sure how im being an internet tough guy...

Try reading your posts before you hit 'submit'.

I really give no fucks.

[The New Lowlands]

Not in twenty years, now. Not sure how it connects to it being better not to die than to die, though.

Is this more of the ITG persona, and I missed something?

Not sure how im being an internet tough guy, I didn't realize supporting the defense of liberty is being an ITG but whatver you say bro.

nap time, be back later.

"Better to die with a gun in your hand" -ITG statement. You wouldn't, really, would you? Even if you decided to go into the hills and live offa fat o' da lan', you would probably prefer to be alive.

[The New Lowlands]

That doesn't make any sense.
If you legalize drugs, the illegal market breaks down. Note how it worked for alcohol.
If guns are banned, yes, some people will aqcuire them illegally. They will also be much easier to catch, as import/export regulation is simplified considerably. In addition, I'm not advocating an immediate total ban.
Supply and demand are not the only factors in the economy. There aren't enough concentrated gun nuts, not even in the US, to start a significant illegal market.

Not the same, the Mexican border is far to insecure to prevent incoming arms from a black market, we have thousands of illegals coming here, you honestly think it's going to be more difficult to smuggle in weapons when we can't even stop THOUSANDS of people?

You're not addressing the issue. You mention 'supply and demand' but the US is the supplier and the Cartel has the demand.

[North Calaveras]

Not sure how im being an internet tough guy, I didn't realize supporting the defense of liberty is being an ITG but whatver you say bro.

nap time, be back later.

"Better to die with a gun in your hand" -ITG statement. You wouldn't, really, would you? Even if you decided to go into the hills and live offa fat o' da lan', you would probably prefer to be alive.

I joined the army, obviously I'm willing to put myself in harms way. It's not an internet tough guy statement it's my personal belief, of course I don't want to die but shit happens so please enough of this whole pointing the ITG finger cause it's a weak ass way to argue.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Perhaps they'll regulate firearms so that they can give them to the Syrian "rebels" and M23 "rebels" instead.

[North Calaveras]

Not the same, the Mexican border is far to insecure to prevent incoming arms from a black market, we have thousands of illegals coming here, you honestly think it's going to be more difficult to smuggle in weapons when we can't even stop THOUSANDS of people?

You're not addressing the issue. You mention 'supply and demand' but the US is the supplier and the Cartel has the demand.

what part of " the cartel can get guns elsewhere" are we not understanding here?

[The New Lowlands]

"Better to die with a gun in your hand" -ITG statement. You wouldn't, really, would you? Even if you decided to go into the hills and live offa fat o' da lan', you would probably prefer to be alive.

I joined the army, obviously I'm willing to put myself in harms way. It's not an internet tough guy statement it's my personal belief, of course I don't want to die but shit happens so please enough of this whole pointing the ITG finger cause it's a weak ass way to argue.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Doesn't make it true.
On topic: Guns aren't necessarily bad, but people who think they need them are bad.

[Grave_n_idle]

Try reading your posts before you hit 'submit'.

I really give no fucks.

Then don't say you're not sure how you're being an ITG - because all that 'better to die on your feet' (and, one assumes 'do you even lift') crap is how you're being an internet tough guy, and it's pretty obvious.

If what you mean is you 'don't give a fuck', you don't have to ask the question. I'm not going to be offended if you stop saying stupid stuff.

[The New Lowlands]

You're not addressing the issue. You mention 'supply and demand' but the US is the supplier and the Cartel has the demand.

what part of " the cartel can get guns elsewhere" are we not understanding here?

What part of "The Cartel won't sell, and there wouldn't be enough demand, in addition, where from?" are you not understanding?

[The UK in Exile]

You're not addressing the issue. You mention 'supply and demand' but the US is the supplier and the Cartel has the demand.

what part of " the cartel can get guns elsewhere" are we not understanding here?

the bit were that makes it ok to keep selling the cartels guns?