Obama Will Take Your Guns

[The New Lowlands]

That's fascinating.

Tell me again about how those gun crime levels compare to countries where it's illegal?

Or about how well-trained martial artists are constantly turning to crime?

and if its the same Napolian who invented the Ice cream

Of course, yes, ice cream. We mustn't forget it's the most important thing ever.

[The New Lowlands]

Remind me, where do their guns come from?

Oh, that's right.

Oh yeah because they totally would be fucked in the gun department if America made guns illegal, it's not like they are a multi-billionar dollar organization with contacts world wide oh wait...

It's not like those guns would be hard to transport if made illegal in the U.S. or anything, or, you know, like the majority of those guns are sourced from legal civilian purchases within the United States, or, you know, that laxer drug laws in the U.S. would kill their profit margins, or, you know, like increased surveillance in tax havens would cut down on their amounts of money.

[The New Lowlands]

Tell me again how the government is going to change because of you hiding in the hills?
I'd say that you're a shit-load less threatening to the hypothetical regime than the protestors.

Syrians disagree

Syrians are fighting in major urban centers, not in the hills.

[North Calaveras]

Oh yeah because they totally would be fucked in the gun department if America made guns illegal, it's not like they are a multi-billionar dollar organization with contacts world wide oh wait...

It's not like those guns would be hard to transport if made illegal in the U.S. or anything, or, you know, like the majority of those guns are sourced from legal civilian purchases within the United States, or, you know, that laxer drug laws in the U.S. would kill their profit margins, or, you know, like increased surveillance in tax havens would cut down on their amounts of money.

Supply and Demand if Americans want guns they will turn to the cartels to provide, and the cartel will be MORE THAN HAPPY to provide arms especially if the demand is high enough.

[North Calaveras]

Syrians disagree

Syrians are fighting in major urban centers, not in the hills.

who cares, most of it is small arms fire and they are doing a good job.

[The New Lowlands]

It's not like those guns would be hard to transport if made illegal in the U.S. or anything, or, you know, like the majority of those guns are sourced from legal civilian purchases within the United States, or, you know, that laxer drug laws in the U.S. would kill their profit margins, or, you know, like increased surveillance in tax havens would cut down on their amounts of money.

Supply and Demand if Americans want guns they will turn to the cartels to provide, and the cartel will be MORE THAN HAPPY to provide arms especially if the demand is high enough.

Where's the Cartel getting their guns?

Where's the American demand coming from, outside of tiny groups composed of gun nuts, who due to new laws are being cracked down on?

Where's the money for the guns coming from?

[The UK in Exile]

It's not like those guns would be hard to transport if made illegal in the U.S. or anything, or, you know, like the majority of those guns are sourced from legal civilian purchases within the United States, or, you know, that laxer drug laws in the U.S. would kill their profit margins, or, you know, like increased surveillance in tax havens would cut down on their amounts of money.

Supply and Demand if Americans want guns they will turn to the cartels to provide, and the cartel will be MORE THAN HAPPY to provide arms especially if the demand is high enough.

you could buy their guns and sell them american drugs. it'd be like changing ends at half time.

[North Calaveras]

Supply and Demand if Americans want guns they will turn to the cartels to provide, and the cartel will be MORE THAN HAPPY to provide arms especially if the demand is high enough.

Where's the Cartel getting their guns?

Where's the American demand coming from, outside of tiny groups composed of gun nuts, who due to new laws are being cracked down on?

Where's the money for the guns coming from?

1: Anywhere they can get ahold of them, it's not like laws stop them

2: Demand will increase over time

3: Money is payed for in American dollars, idk what your talking about here.

[The New Lowlands]

Where's the Cartel getting their guns?

Where's the American demand coming from, outside of tiny groups composed of gun nuts, who due to new laws are being cracked down on?

Where's the money for the guns coming from?

1: Anywhere they can get ahold of them, it's not like laws stop them

2: Demand will increase over time

3: Money is payed for in American dollars, idk what your talking about here.

1. Doesn't answer my question, and yes, to some extent, they do.

2. Doesn't answer my question, and not necessarily true.

3. Doesn't answer my question whatsoever. Where, not what kind.

[The New Lowlands]

Syrians are fighting in major urban centers, not in the hills.

who cares, most of it is small arms fire and they are doing a good job.

It matters.
An insurrection over some petty hills? No government is going to be toppled by that.

An insurrection which causes them to lose control of a major settlement? That's when the government starts worrying.

[Giroad]

Obama is coming for your guns. He has always wanted your guns. He waited until his second term to secure a mandate for rule. Now that he has a mandate, and the political winds are shifting, he will come for your guns.

He will start with a nationwide gun buyback. The weak and the lilly-livered will let the government pay them in paper, a currency that will soon be worthless. The strong, such as the retired cops, veterans, and the really nutty, will clasp their guns. Obama will take them, too.

There may be states which may resist the Will of Obama. Their governors may instruct state police officers not to cooperate with Obama’s dictates. They may even go to court to seek an injunction against enforcement until Obama’s dictates are deemed constitutional. Yet the courts are spineless without well-armed citizens. Obama will disarm everyone in those states by declaring martial law, appointing a plenipotentiary for that state, and collecting guns.

There may be militias who oppose Obama’s will. They are well-armed, and have sophisticated and lethal weapons most people cannot access. Obama and his armies have way more firepower, though. Lethal force could be met with lethal force.

Once Obama confiscates all of your weapons, there is no stopping his plan of making the U.S. a U.N. vassal state. All laws in the U.S, including constitutional amendments, will be passed in the General Assembly. Dictatorships like North Korea and Equatorial Guinea will have equal vote to other democracies. Our Security Council seat will be eliminated. Obama will still be the executive, but he will merely be the CEO. His directives will come from a committee of 23 bureaucrats, who interpret the General Assembly’’s mandate.

Agenda 23 will be ruthlessly enforced. Most suburbs will be depopulated, and the displaced will go into large Soviet-style apartment blocks. Work will be for the connected first – all others will live on the generosity of the state. They may wish to rebel against this repressive, un-American lifestyle, but they cannot. They have no guns.

GOP scare tactics

They get funnier everytime!!!!

[Spreewerke]

Oh yeah because they totally would be fucked in the gun department if America made guns illegal, it's not like they are a multi-billionar dollar organization with contacts world wide oh wait...

It's not like those guns would be hard to transport if made illegal in the U.S. or anything, or, you know, like the majority of those guns are sourced from legal civilian purchases within the United States, or, you know, that laxer drug laws in the U.S. would kill their profit margins, or, you know, like increased surveillance in tax havens would cut down on their amounts of money.

Those "legal civilian purchases" were literal hand-outs from the federal government to known cartel members, basically just to see where they would end up. Operation Fast and Furious lost a lot of support, however, when they "ended up" being used to kill one of our border patrol officers.

Have you really no knowledge of this incident?

[The New Lowlands]

It's not like those guns would be hard to transport if made illegal in the U.S. or anything, or, you know, like the majority of those guns are sourced from legal civilian purchases within the United States, or, you know, that laxer drug laws in the U.S. would kill their profit margins, or, you know, like increased surveillance in tax havens would cut down on their amounts of money.

Those "legal civilian purchases" were literal hand-outs from the federal government to known cartel members, basically just to see where they would end up. Operation Fast and Furious lost a lot of support, however, when they "ended up" being used to kill one of our border patrol officers.

Have you really no knowledge of this incident?

Those were used for tracking; they don't exactly represent every weapon the Cartel has, now do they?

[Parti Ouvrier]

No he dosn't want to take them away, but Democrats are wanting to grind away at it with more regulations and taxes, here in california it FUCKING SUCKS.

You dont tell people what they do and don't need, I will buy/steal a weapon to protect my family and loved ones because I know no matter how many laws are made there are going to be assholes that are also armed and there is no law going to stop them.

Such as yourself?

No, the police.

[The New Lowlands]

Such as yourself?

No, the police.

You need to protect your family and loved ones from the police in the US?
It's worse than I thought.

[Spreewerke]

Those "legal civilian purchases" were literal hand-outs from the federal government to known cartel members, basically just to see where they would end up. Operation Fast and Furious lost a lot of support, however, when they "ended up" being used to kill one of our border patrol officers.

Have you really no knowledge of this incident?

Those were used for tracking; they don't exactly represent every weapon the Cartel has, now do they?

You're right. The ones not represented were those purchased on the black market. American-made weapons smuggled into Mexico make up an insanely low percentage of the firearms in use by said cartels. I addressed this earlier in the thread, as well.

[The New Lowlands]

Those were used for tracking; they don't exactly represent every weapon the Cartel has, now do they?

You're right. The ones not represented were those purchased on the black market. American-made weapons smuggled into Mexico make up an insanely low percentage of the firearms in use by said cartels. I addressed this earlier in the thread, as well.

No, not really.
If I remember correctly, you pointed out an article that stated something along the lines of "hey, guns are cheaper in Africa" which didn't address the underlying problem that they're not coming from there.

[Parti Ouvrier]

No, the police.

You need to protect your family and loved ones from the police in the US?
It's worse than I thought.

In Britain, not long after the WW1, guns were suddenly, there was a revolution in Russia by the Bolsheviks, and a communist party was set up in Britain, 1920. Guns were banned very soon after, coincidence? I think not. Unless you want only the authorities to be armed, be careful what you wish for.

Like I said, address alienation in society, address the causes not the symptoms of this awful tragedy!

Also keep in mind, the police have shot at latinos recently.

[The New Lowlands]

You need to protect your family and loved ones from the police in the US?
It's worse than I thought.

In Britain, not long after the WW1, guns were suddenly, there was a revolution in Russia by the Bolsheviks, and a communist party was set up in Britain, 1920. Guns were banned very soon after, coincidence? I think not. Unless you want only the authorities to be armed, be careful what you wish for.

Like I said, address alienation in society, address the causes not the symptoms of this awful tragedy!

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say.
The gun ban seems to be working okay for Britain, though.

[Norstal]

You mean, like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution

One example of a peaceful revolution against how many violent, often bloody ones?

It's like, people's culture don't advance from a barbaric society to a peaceful one.

[North Calaveras]

In Britain, not long after the WW1, guns were suddenly, there was a revolution in Russia by the Bolsheviks, and a communist party was set up in Britain, 1920. Guns were banned very soon after, coincidence? I think not. Unless you want only the authorities to be armed, be careful what you wish for.

Like I said, address alienation in society, address the causes not the symptoms of this awful tragedy!

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say.
The gun ban seems to be working okay for Britain, though.

great britain dosn't have hundreds of miles of the Mexican border underneath it, it's an island. If you can sneak a mexican in you can easily sneak weapons and if the cartel can't get guns from elsewhere(which they easily can) they can easily produce cheaper variants themselves and sell them over the border and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it unless you want to build a wall.

[Parti Ouvrier]

In Britain, not long after the WW1, guns were suddenly, there was a revolution in Russia by the Bolsheviks, and a communist party was set up in Britain, 1920. Guns were banned very soon after, coincidence? I think not. Unless you want only the authorities to be armed, be careful what you wish for.

Like I said, address alienation in society, address the causes not the symptoms of this awful tragedy!

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say.
The gun ban seems to be working okay for Britain, though.

Oh yes, wonderful, go on a protest that the authorities do not approve of, I've seen brutal psycho behaviour unleashed on protesters by the psycho police! Remember thge innocent Charles De Menezes, an innocent Brazilian shot at by police and what happened to the police that shot and killed that man, nothing but time off! That's some wonderful piece of justice isn't it? Or how about a wheelchair bound protester being pulled from his wheelchair, was he violent, no, first the police said he was violent, then they said he was dragged out of his wheelchair for his own safety. Oh, that explains it then!

[The New Lowlands]

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say.
The gun ban seems to be working okay for Britain, though.

great britain dosn't have hundreds of miles of the Mexican border underneath it, it's an island. If you can sneak a mexican in you can easily sneak weapons and if the cartel can't get guns from elsewhere(which they easily can) they can easily produce cheaper variants themselves and sell them over the border and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it unless you want to build a wall.

Granted, no, but there's the Troubles and Northern Ireland and the IRA and all that shit.
It seems to be working fine for Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, the Netherlands, etc...

[North Calaveras]

great britain dosn't have hundreds of miles of the Mexican border underneath it, it's an island. If you can sneak a mexican in you can easily sneak weapons and if the cartel can't get guns from elsewhere(which they easily can) they can easily produce cheaper variants themselves and sell them over the border and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it unless you want to build a wall.

Granted, no, but there's the Troubles and Northern Ireland and the IRA and all that shit.
It seems to be working fine for Italy, Spain, France, Portugal, the Netherlands, etc...

Dosn't matter the situation is NOT the same, you don't have the same situation as you do with Mexico. Besides, I don't like europe, there way to politcally correct.

[Grave_n_idle]

This has nothing to do with outlawing guns; nor am I a proponent of doing so in the US; I was merely pointing out the idea behind the argument.

If there are no guns, as in, zero, zip, nada, there is no gun crime.

And if only outlaws have guns, it's a shitload easier to spot the outlaws.

Seems to work over here in Europe.

And what of tyrannical governments? How will the people defend themselves from an oppressive government if need be?

I need a clever line about the 1800's calling and wanting something back.