Obama Will Take Your Guns

[Spreewerke]

That is absolutely, 100% correct. Since it is that same group of individuals performing the vast, vast, vast majority of gun crimes, why isn't our response to violence the same? Why do many folks automatically jump to "ban guns!" whereas they wish to address the social factors elsewhere in other topics?

Because without guns, nobody gets murdered by guns.

Is that why Britain's gun-related crime is rising?

Disregard: double-checked source dates; not current.

[Wikkiwallana]

To be fair, though, we've never banned firearms in the entire history of our nation.

We've had terrible shootings, so at least the anti-gun people have a reason to be paranoid. The pro-gun people I can't see a single decent reason for paranoia.

"Brilliant Comrade Hussein, POTUS". That's why they are paranoid.

The fuck are you talking about?

[Sheariliik]

I can honestly say I am surprised this lasted 14 pages

I can honestly say I am surprised this lasted 27 pages .

[The New Lowlands]

Because without guns, nobody gets murdered by guns.

Is that why Britain's gun-related crime is rising?

Ah, but you see, there's guns.

[Spreewerke]

Is that why Britain's gun-related crime is rising?

Ah, but you see, there's guns.

I double-checked my source and it was outdated, so I edit the post you quoted.

At the same time, however, gun crime in the United States has been relatively unaffected by the last "AWB." It was already beginning its decline before 1994, and experienced a slight rise in 2002 and a couple years beyond. What happened? I bet the AWB expired, didn't it?

Nope.

AWB expired in 2004, two years later.

[Wikkiwallana]

Well, if you interpret the constitution literally, everyone does have the right to carry a bunch of miscellaneous human arms.
Don't expect the police not to investigate though, dirty commie coppers!

Incorrect, if you interpret the constitution literally, everyone has the right to carry miscllaneous BEAR arms, duh.

If you're going that literal, they don't even have the right to carry them, just to have them.

[Norstal]

Incorrect, if you interpret the constitution literally, everyone has the right to carry miscllaneous BEAR arms, duh.

If you're going that literal, they don't even have the right to carry them, just to have them.

I have to pay for cellphone bills? That's not free speech!

[Agymnum]

If you're going that literal, they don't even have the right to carry them, just to have them.

I have to pay for cellphone bills? That's not free speech!

Freedom of the press?

But my newspaper isn't free!

[The New Lowlands]

Ah, but you see, there's guns.

I double-checked my source and it was outdated, so I edit the post you quoted.

At the same time, however, gun crime in the United States has been relatively unaffected by the last "AWB." It was already beginning its decline before 1994, and experienced a slight rise in 2002 and a couple years beyond. What happened? I bet the AWB expired, didn't it?

Nope.

AWB expired in 2004, two years later.

Again, there's guns present.

If you haven't noticed, this is based on semantics.

[Galiantus]

That is absolutely, 100% correct. Since it is that same group of individuals performing the vast, vast, vast majority of gun crimes, why isn't our response to violence the same? Why do many folks automatically jump to "ban guns!" whereas they wish to address the social factors elsewhere in other topics?

Because without guns, nobody gets murdered by guns.

Yes, but the overall murder rate is worse, besides which, our media always gives the phsycho murderers the attention they want, which just encourages more violence. And I am sure this has been said already, but if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I think it is much better to trust people to be rational with their guns than it is to let things turn into a war between the police and the outaws, and a very abused populice. Also, the media should stop giving so much attention to these mass-murders: acknowledge what happened and talk about the victims, but don't tell anyone the name, race, hair color, etc. of the murderer unless they are both alive and dangerous. Perhaps they should also start focussing on the times citizens have successfully defended themselves. Only the smart criminals could deal with an armed citizenry. Most are cowards, and will not confront someone they think is stronger than them.

In other news, the machette is becoming a popular weapon among gangs in countries without access to guns. Don't ask for a source. It was a joke. But I hope it gets the point across.

[The New Lowlands]

Because without guns, nobody gets murdered by guns.

Yes, but the overall murder rate is worse, besides which, our media always gives the phsycho murderers the attention they want, which just encourages more violence. And I am sure this has been said already, but if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I think it is much better to trust people to be rational with their guns than it is to let things turn into a war between the police and the outaws, and a very abused populice. Also, the media should stop giving so much attention to these mass-murders: acknowledge what happened and talk about the victims, but don't tell anyone the name, race, hair color, etc. of the murderer unless they are both alive and dangerous. Perhaps they should also start focussing on the times citizens have successfully defended themselves. Only the smart criminals could deal with an armed citizenry. Most are cowards, and will not confront someone they think is stronger than them.

In other news, the machette is becoming a popular weapon among gangs in countries without access to guns. Don't ask for a source. It was a joke. But I hope it gets the point across.

This has nothing to do with outlawing guns; nor am I a proponent of doing so in the US; I was merely pointing out the idea behind the argument.

If there are no guns, as in, zero, zip, nada, there is no gun crime.

And if only outlaws have guns, it's a shitload easier to spot the outlaws.

Seems to work over here in Europe.

[Grenartia]

Yes, but the overall murder rate is worse, besides which, our media always gives the phsycho murderers the attention they want, which just encourages more violence. And I am sure this has been said already, but if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I think it is much better to trust people to be rational with their guns than it is to let things turn into a war between the police and the outaws, and a very abused populice. Also, the media should stop giving so much attention to these mass-murders: acknowledge what happened and talk about the victims, but don't tell anyone the name, race, hair color, etc. of the murderer unless they are both alive and dangerous. Perhaps they should also start focussing on the times citizens have successfully defended themselves. Only the smart criminals could deal with an armed citizenry. Most are cowards, and will not confront someone they think is stronger than them.

In other news, the machette is becoming a popular weapon among gangs in countries without access to guns. Don't ask for a source. It was a joke. But I hope it gets the point across.

This has nothing to do with outlawing guns; nor am I a proponent of doing so in the US; I was merely pointing out the idea behind the argument.

If there are no guns, as in, zero, zip, nada, there is no gun crime.

And if only outlaws have guns, it's a shitload easier to spot the outlaws.

Seems to work over here in Europe.

And what of tyrannical governments? How will the people defend themselves from an oppressive government if need be?

[Norstal]

This has nothing to do with outlawing guns; nor am I a proponent of doing so in the US; I was merely pointing out the idea behind the argument.

If there are no guns, as in, zero, zip, nada, there is no gun crime.

And if only outlaws have guns, it's a shitload easier to spot the outlaws.

Seems to work over here in Europe.

And what of tyrannical governments? How will the people defend themselves from an oppressive government if need be?

You mean, like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

This has nothing to do with outlawing guns; nor am I a proponent of doing so in the US; I was merely pointing out the idea behind the argument.

If there are no guns, as in, zero, zip, nada, there is no gun crime.

And if only outlaws have guns, it's a shitload easier to spot the outlaws.

Seems to work over here in Europe.

And what of tyrannical governments? How will the people defend themselves from an oppressive government if need be?

How does people having rifles stop a tyrannical government any more effectively than protest?

[The New Lowlands]

This has nothing to do with outlawing guns; nor am I a proponent of doing so in the US; I was merely pointing out the idea behind the argument.

If there are no guns, as in, zero, zip, nada, there is no gun crime.

And if only outlaws have guns, it's a shitload easier to spot the outlaws.

Seems to work over here in Europe.

And what of tyrannical governments? How will the people defend themselves from an oppressive government if need be?

Have an all-volunteer military.
Prevention is better than cure.

[Spreewerke]

Yes, but the overall murder rate is worse, besides which, our media always gives the phsycho murderers the attention they want, which just encourages more violence. And I am sure this has been said already, but if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I think it is much better to trust people to be rational with their guns than it is to let things turn into a war between the police and the outaws, and a very abused populice. Also, the media should stop giving so much attention to these mass-murders: acknowledge what happened and talk about the victims, but don't tell anyone the name, race, hair color, etc. of the murderer unless they are both alive and dangerous. Perhaps they should also start focussing on the times citizens have successfully defended themselves. Only the smart criminals could deal with an armed citizenry. Most are cowards, and will not confront someone they think is stronger than them.

In other news, the machette is becoming a popular weapon among gangs in countries without access to guns. Don't ask for a source. It was a joke. But I hope it gets the point across.

This has nothing to do with outlawing guns; nor am I a proponent of doing so in the US; I was merely pointing out the idea behind the argument.

If there are no guns, as in, zero, zip, nada, there is no gun crime.

And if only outlaws have guns, it's a shitload easier to spot the outlaws.

Seems to work over here in Europe.

Not quite as easy to spot the outlaws as you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90pOpXFlYeo

[The New Lowlands]

This has nothing to do with outlawing guns; nor am I a proponent of doing so in the US; I was merely pointing out the idea behind the argument.

If there are no guns, as in, zero, zip, nada, there is no gun crime.

And if only outlaws have guns, it's a shitload easier to spot the outlaws.

Seems to work over here in Europe.

Not quite as easy to spot the outlaws as you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90pOpXFlYeo

I point you to the fact that I do not support a total gun ban in the US. Rifles and shotguns, yes.

[Strana Mechty]

good for him. and precisely what were you planning on doing with these guns it is falsely proclaimed the current u.s president has any slightest interest in "taking"?

if you seriously imagine you need a fully automatic ak 47 to eat bambi, might i suggest you work on improving your ability to aim?

Currently full auto weapons are illegal unless you have a federal fire arms license.

[The New Lowlands]

good for him. and precisely what were you planning on doing with these guns it is falsely proclaimed the current u.s president has any slightest interest in "taking"?

if you seriously imagine you need a fully automatic ak 47 to eat bambi, might i suggest you work on improving your ability to aim?

Currently full auto weapons are illegal unless you have a federal fire arms license.

This word here, that's a problem, if a federal license is available to civvies.

[The Two Jerseys]

This is still going?

OP is full of it. Obama will never get 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the states to vote in favor of repealing the Second Amendment and he knows it. And I seriously doubt that the government can confiscate legally-owned weapons without violating the owners' right to due process.

And I fail to see why everyone wants assault rifle-style weapons banned. If a crazy person wants to go on a shooting spree he's gonna do it regardless of the type of weapons he can get his hands on.

[North Calaveras]

the real people being butthurt are all the people getting upset over this shooting when your more likley to die from diabetes than you are being murdered by someone with a gun, sounds like the media and liberals are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

Statistics are comforting when you've won the lottery in regards to the odds, personally or through a child.

wtf are you talking about fact is your far more likley to die from something like diabetes than you are from being killed by someone with a gun, so this whole idea that guns are so bad and are causing such problems is absolute bullshit to the highest degree.

[The New Lowlands]

Statistics are comforting when you've won the lottery in regards to the odds, personally or through a child.

wtf are you talking about fact is your far more likley to die from something like diabetes than you are from being killed by someone with a gun, so this whole idea that guns are so bad and are causing such problems is absolute bullshit to the highest degree.

Yes, of course, because another problem (obesity) causes more deaths we should completely ignore this one.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

And I fail to see why everyone wants assault rifle-style weapons banned. If a crazy person wants to go on a shooting spree he's gonna do it regardless of the type of weapons he can get his hands on.

So reduce his options.

[North Calaveras]

wtf are you talking about fact is your far more likley to die from something like diabetes than you are from being killed by someone with a gun, so this whole idea that guns are so bad and are causing such problems is absolute bullshit to the highest degree.

Yes, of course, because another problem (obesity) causes more deaths we should completely ignore this one.

It shouldn't NEARLY being getting as much attention that's for damn sure.

[The New Lowlands]

Yes, of course, because another problem (obesity) causes more deaths we should completely ignore this one.

It shouldn't NEARLY being getting as much attention that's for damn sure.

Not everyone wants to see every NSG thread title being "Americans are too fat" or "Obama Will Make You Exercise."