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Postby AntiSwagLand » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:10 pm

North Calaveras wrote:Seriously though all this gun talk is horshit when you look at how many law-abiding gun owners there are, what is it like 40 million or something?


The problem is that people who are not law abiding get to them. If you can use it safely and not go insane, fine, have your gun. But there need to be better regulations on who gets to hold these things. I'm not saying "take away", I'm saying regulate who gets to own

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Postby Vareiln » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:10 pm

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You could pass a law stating that these "fun" weapons may only be owned by gun ranges and you just rent it when you get there


I'd be for that. Would appease everyone.

You'd need laws for stricter security on gun-ranges, though, in-case anyone decides that it would be a wise idea to try and take the gun off the range.

That's pretty much how I shoot trap: I rent a 20 gauge.

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Postby Libertarian California » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:10 pm

Well shit...


Now before I run off to the gun store, please provide a source. I sort of want to believe, but I'm not buying it.
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:10 pm

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Well, anyone who knows how to handle a gun knows how to store one. You keep it high-up and locked away from your kid.

Anyone who fails to do that is a fucking moron.

We would like to live in a country where fucking morons cannot easily obtain guns.


Hence why I'm pro gun-control.

I want stricter tests for owning weapons, not necessarily banning guns. We need to limit who can own guns, not limit what guns said people can own. If you're smart and sane enough to handle a rifle, that's fine. But make sure you hold high standards as to who is smart and sane enough to handle guns.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:11 pm

British Prussia wrote:I prefer to hunt with bolt's myself... The clicking sound it makes when you reload is... Calming.


A clicking sound is fine, but my AR15 goes "Sproing" every time I fire it. :D
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Postby Rupture Farms co » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:11 pm

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Rupture Farms co wrote:Another problem is that shooting guns is fun. So is knife throwing. So should we ban both? Should be punish the hundred million gun owners because of the folly of one person? A person raised on a life of MTV, Hollywood films, violent video games, medicine and poor parenting. Those are the problems that caused this as opposed to just guns. I'm around guns alot and we never kill nobody. What happens is that people are not taught the sanctity of human life or when parents don't spend enough time with they're kids.


Don't be blaming my violent video games! How else am I supposed to shoot someone's head off with no repercussions? Do it in real life? :roll:

No, I love video games. But what happens is that parents don't teach children about life first.

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Postby British Prussia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:11 pm

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British Prussia wrote:.303 is a bit big, I don't have an Enfield. Just those 2 sizes. I prefer to get them at the place where you hunt. Usually the guy who owns the grounds will sell bullets. I prefer to buy there than carry them around. I just wanted to know if .240/.300 are relatively easy to get in the US.



Uh, which .300? My uncle uses .300 Winchester Magnum, but that is a rather massive cartridge. As for .240, I think the closest thing that's mainstream in the states is the .243 cartridge, which will still be quite different and not interchangeable.

I literally hunt in my backyard: 40 acres of timber behind it, and another 99 acres of timber about a mile away that we own.

Did a little research, and it turns out they do have the rounds that I need in the US. Thanks anyway. And I was wrong saying it was .240, my sizes are .270 win, and .300H&H.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:11 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
British Prussia wrote:I prefer to hunt with bolt's myself... The clicking sound it makes when you reload is... Calming.


A clicking sound is fine, but my AR15 goes "Sproing" every time I fire it. :D


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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 pm

Rupture Farms co wrote:
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Don't be blaming my violent video games! How else am I supposed to shoot someone's head off with no repercussions? Do it in real life? :roll:

No, I love video games. But what happens is that parents don't teach children about life first.


I'm actually pro-parenting licenses.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 pm

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Grave_n_idle wrote:If your argument is that you need firearms to be legal so that you have an effective non-obsolete answer to the police and military, your platform is already a century out of date.


My dream gun is already currently illegal for most people to own. The M1921 Thompson Submachine gun with 100 round drum magazine in .45ACP- Yes it is antiquated, but I love the aesthetic design, firing rate, and history behind it.

Just what firearms would you allow civilians to own, if not for banning all guns?


Are you under the impression I'm arguing for some kind of ban?
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Postby Socialdemokraterne » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 pm

I can't keep this story straight anymore. Are the President and the Democrats at the various levels of government going to take away everyone's guns and render the US entirely subservient to the UN before or after they let Sharia Law take hold of the USA, kill people off in FEMA camps, establish a Stalinist economic system, and enslave white people?

Oh, wait. I remember now: absolutely none of that is happening or going to happen. That's all bullshit. I forget sometimes.
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Postby Spreewerke » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:If your argument is that you need firearms to be legal so that you have an effective non-obsolete answer to the police and military, your platform is already a century out of date.


My dream gun is already currently illegal for most people to own. The M1921 Thompson Submachine gun with 100 round drum magazine in .45ACP- Yes it is antiquated, but I love the aesthetic design, firing rate, and history behind it.

Just what firearms would you allow civilians to own, if not for banning all guns?


The Thompson is not illegal for anyone to own who is not a felon or someone who cannot otherwise pass the BATFE background check on the submitted, taxed, NFA form. Well, I mean, you still have to be 21 years of age as it's an NFA item, but anyone who passes the background check and performs the actions I mentioned some pages back is perfectly capable of owning it, assuming they can afford it.

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Postby Vareiln » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 pm

British Prussia wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

Uh, which .300? My uncle uses .300 Winchester Magnum, but that is a rather massive cartridge. As for .240, I think the closest thing that's mainstream in the states is the .243 cartridge, which will still be quite different and not interchangeable.

I literally hunt in my backyard: 40 acres of timber behind it, and another 99 acres of timber about a mile away that we own.

Did a little research, and it turns out they do have the rounds that I need in the US. Thanks anyway. And I was wrong saying it was .240, my sizes are .270 win, and .300H&H.

Very nice.

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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 pm

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Tmutarakhan wrote:We would like to live in a country where fucking morons cannot easily obtain guns.


Hence why I'm pro gun-control.

I want stricter tests for owning weapons, not necessarily banning guns. We need to limit who can own guns, not limit what guns said people can own. If you're smart and sane enough to handle a rifle, that's fine. But make sure you hold high standards as to who is smart and sane enough to handle guns.


THANK YOU that's smart regulation, I want to be able to own a fully automatic rifle after I prove im competant with it and don't have any pyschological/criminal issues.

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 pm

British Prussia wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

Uh, which .300? My uncle uses .300 Winchester Magnum, but that is a rather massive cartridge. As for .240, I think the closest thing that's mainstream in the states is the .243 cartridge, which will still be quite different and not interchangeable.

I literally hunt in my backyard: 40 acres of timber behind it, and another 99 acres of timber about a mile away that we own.

Did a little research, and it turns out they do have the rounds that I need in the US. Thanks anyway. And I was wrong saying it was .240, my sizes are .270 win, and .300H&H.


.270 Win Mag cost 20+ dollars per box of 20., Very fun round, Very expensive for me.
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:13 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
British Prussia wrote:I prefer to hunt with bolt's myself... The clicking sound it makes when you reload is... Calming.


A clicking sound is fine, but my AR15 goes "Sproing" every time I fire it. :D


Man, that sounds so wimpy compared to the powerful bang and click you get from a rifle.

EDIT: I meant to say a "bolt-action rifle". ARs are rifles *Mindfuck*
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:13 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:Are you under the impression I'm arguing for some kind of ban?


It was my impression that you are for strict gun control.
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Postby Cronatian » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:14 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
British Prussia wrote:.303 is a bit big, I don't have an Enfield. Just those 2 sizes. I prefer to get them at the place where you hunt. Usually the guy who owns the grounds will sell bullets. I prefer to buy there than carry them around. I just wanted to know if .240/.300 are relatively easy to get in the US.



Uh, which .300? My uncle uses .300 Winchester Magnum, but that is a rather massive cartridge. As for .240, I think the closest thing that's mainstream in the states is the .243 cartridge, which will still be quite different and not interchangeable.

I literally hunt in my backyard: 40 acres of timber behind it, and another 99 acres of timber about a mile away that we own.


Well, I hunt with an AR-15. When I first told my friends I hunted with an AR, they laughed at me and asked me if the game I had in mind was Iraqi terrorists. Am I the only person here who hunts with AR's? I think the AR-15 is a perfectly good hunting rifle for small to medium game.

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Postby Spreewerke » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:14 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
British Prussia wrote:I prefer to hunt with bolt's myself... The clicking sound it makes when you reload is... Calming.


A clicking sound is fine, but my AR15 goes "Sproing" every time I fire it. :D



Simple fix to that is to rub down your buffer tube spring with a light coating of Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil, by the way. A light application of synth. oil to the parts of the bolt carrier that are not exposed to the ejection port (and the parts of contact on the bolt itself: not the face, of course) also works as a good lubricant that does not attract nearly as many debris as common gun oils.

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Postby British Prussia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:14 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
British Prussia wrote:Did a little research, and it turns out they do have the rounds that I need in the US. Thanks anyway. And I was wrong saying it was .240, my sizes are .270 win, and .300H&H.


.270 Win Mag cost 20+ dollars per box of 20., Very fun round, Very expensive for me.

Wow. Over a dollar a round... And here I thought I could buy millions of rounds and bring it back home... Lol. Oh well, it's just for a little fun.
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:15 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:Are you under the impression I'm arguing for some kind of ban?


It was my impression that you are for strict gun control.


What's wrong with gun-control? Done right, you can keep guns in the hands of those who are responsible and intelligent enough to know how to maintain and when it's not appropriate to use weapons.

Done wrong, you end up letting anyone use a gun but limiting the kinds of weapons people can buy, which is stupid. A moron with a pistol is more dangerous than an erudite with a rifle.
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Postby CoolLand » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:16 pm

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Postby Cronatian » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:16 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
A clicking sound is fine, but my AR15 goes "Sproing" every time I fire it. :D


Man, that sounds so wimpy compared to the powerful bang and click you get from a rifle.

EDIT: I meant to say a "bolt-action rifle". ARs are rifles *Mindfuck*


My Rk.62 sounds perfectly manly, especially when I crack of the muzzle shroud and feed er' some commie surplus. That bitch is loud...

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:16 pm

British Prussia wrote:
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.270 Win Mag cost 20+ dollars per box of 20., Very fun round, Very expensive for me.

Wow. Over a dollar a round... And here I thought I could buy millions of rounds and bring it back home... Lol. Oh well, it's just for a little fun.


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