Obama Will Take Your Guns

[Agymnum]

My suburb got shook up when a bunch of "thug-life" wannabes drove around shooting off shotguns in the air. They stopped at a few houses at shot out the windows with low-caliber rifles (not automatic or high-caliber, so I'm actually okay with those being legal), but otherwise they didn't really pose a threat.

I'd hate to see what they'd have done with fully automatics. Still, it was kinda funny to see them parade around like they were all that.

They pussied-out when the cops showed up, though, so I was relieved that the only thing in my house that would need replacing would be my windows.

Where the hell do you live?

Southern California. Surprisingly enough there's a lot of gun-owners here despite strict gun-control laws.

They're nice people, though, not like the NRA fear-mongering freaks you see embarrassing gun owners on TV. A few of them are actually pro-gun control, since most of them own pistols and only a few have rifles and shotguns. Not too many hunters here.

[Spreewerke]

Just a quick question to hunters out here, what bullets are relatively cheap to get in the US, and what calibres are you allowed to hunt with? I might stopover the US to hunt a little...

That is entirely state-dependent. In the state of Missouri, we have very reasonable laws. No non-expanding ammunition (full metal jacket) ammunition may be used on game. The use of expanding ammunition such as soft-points, hollow-points, ballistic-tips, or non-jacketed ammunition ensures that the round mushrooms and expands upon impact and while passing through the vitals of the animal, drastically increasing the ease of harvesting: it isn't a tiny little hole making the animal bleed out slowly, running for miles. Rather, the wound is expanded, effecting more of the vital organs such as the lungs and heart, causing a rapid (many times instant) death for the animal. It greatly reduces the risk of just maiming an animal.

For a standard hunting-caliber rifle ("high-powered"), you would probably be paying a dollar per round at the absolute cheapest. For example, I know that .338 Lapua softpoints were $80.00 per box of 20 rounds last time we had them in stock. Rounds such as .25-06, .308 Winchest, etc., are often $1.50+ per round, as well. This is part of the reason I hunt with my AK: I am limited to shots of 125m by my hunting location which is well within the AK's range. Hunting ammunition for 7.62x39mm is ~$10.00 a box of 20 at the absolute most. If, for some reason, I do miss, I also like the thought of my intermediate cartridge going a very short distance if it ricochets (which, with expanding ammunition, is very unlikely to begin with) opposed to, say, .308 Winchester which can travel half a mile or further after a ricochet.

For the state of Missouri, any centerfire cartridge is fair game for hunting. Many states do not allow a cartridge below .224 in diameter for deer hunting, though, as almost all of the cartridges in that caliber range are "varmint" cartridges meant for small game such as prairie dogs, coyotes, groundhogs, etc.

[Yes Im Biop]

Just a question, if yo're going to use the "self defense" argument for gun rights, do you REALLY need to own a heavy assault rifle and a 12 gauge for that? A .22 can stop anyone in their tracks and make them think twice.

Believe me, I'm for the right to own a gun, but I'm not gonna be going around screaming "DON'T TOUCH MY BABY"

Actually a 12 Gague is about the only thing that can reliably put anything down, a .22 may just piss em off. a 12 with bird or buck, will make them stop whatever they are doing, and likely not ever do it again.

[Rupture Farms co]

Just a question, if yo're going to use the "self defense" argument for gun rights, do you REALLY need to own a heavy assault rifle and a 12 gauge for that? A .22 can stop anyone in their tracks and make them think twice.

Believe me, I'm for the right to own a gun, but I'm not gonna be going around screaming "DON'T TOUCH MY BABY"

Actually, a .22 won't. Unless you press it to they're temple anyways but thats a favorable situation. And yes, I want to shoot to disable or kill and an assault rifle does just that. What's a "heavy assault rifle" may I ask?

[Vareiln]

Just a question, if yo're going to use the "self defense" argument for gun rights, do you REALLY need to own a heavy assault rifle and a 12 gauge for that? A .22 can stop anyone in their tracks and make them think twice.

Believe me, I'm for the right to own a gun, but I'm not gonna be going around screaming "DON'T TOUCH MY BABY"

If someone told you to hand over your car because people die in those infernal machines, would you just so easily hand it over for some rather faulty reasons?

[Sentinel XV]

Obama is a gun-stealing, freedom-hating liberal commie Kenyan usurper to the throne of the One True God and his vassal George W. Bush.

[British Prussia]

Just a quick question to hunters out here, what bullets are relatively cheap to get in the US, and what calibres are you allowed to hunt with? I might stopover the US to hunt a little...

Spree would probably recommend 7.62x39mm(Basically meaning a hunt with an SKS or an AK), but there are literally tons of cartridges and rifles to choose from.

Erm, you guys in America have .240 / .300 inch calibre rifles right? My rifle's Brit...

[North Calaveras]

Where the hell do you live?

Southern California. Surprisingly enough there's a lot of gun-owners here despite strict gun-control laws.

They're nice people, though, not like the NRA fear-mongering freaks you see embarrassing gun owners on TV. A few of them are actually pro-gun control, since most of them own pistols and only a few have rifles and shotguns. Not too many hunters here.

Not surprising AT ALL, just shows that even with Cali's laws(i live in northern cali) people will still get their hands on firearms.

[Vareiln]

Where the hell do you live?

Southern California. Surprisingly enough there's a lot of gun-owners here despite strict gun-control laws.

They're nice people, though, not like the NRA fear-mongering freaks you see embarrassing gun owners on TV. A few of them are actually pro-gun control, since most of them own pistols and only a few have rifles and shotguns. Not too many hunters here.

Hmm... Interesting.

[Vareiln]

Southern California. Surprisingly enough there's a lot of gun-owners here despite strict gun-control laws.

They're nice people, though, not like the NRA fear-mongering freaks you see embarrassing gun owners on TV. A few of them are actually pro-gun control, since most of them own pistols and only a few have rifles and shotguns. Not too many hunters here.

Not surprising AT ALL, just shows that even with Cali's laws(i live in northern cali) people will still get their hands on firearms.

And they get around their faulty ban on detachable magazines.

[Spreewerke]

Just a question, if yo're going to use the "self defense" argument for gun rights, do you REALLY need to own a heavy assault rifle and a 12 gauge for that? A .22 can stop anyone in their tracks and make them think twice.

Believe me, I'm for the right to own a gun, but I'm not gonna be going around screaming "DON'T TOUCH MY BABY"

I had classmates that were shot with .22LR before I met them.

Notice how they were not dead? I did, too. There was also a female clerk working a local gas station that was robbed many years ago. She was stuffed in a car trunk, shot multiple times in the head and face with a .25ACP handgun, and after they dumped her in a ditch, she walked to the nearest road, signaled a car, and called for help.

A .22LR or .25ACP will hurt, but if your attacker is pumped full of adrenaline or narcotics, it will do little to stop them short of piercing the heart or the stem of the brain.

[Agymnum]

Just a question, if yo're going to use the "self defense" argument for gun rights, do you REALLY need to own a heavy assault rifle and a 12 gauge for that? A .22 can stop anyone in their tracks and make them think twice.

Believe me, I'm for the right to own a gun, but I'm not gonna be going around screaming "DON'T TOUCH MY BABY"

Actually a 12 Gague is about the only thing that can reliably put anything down, a .22 may just piss em off. a 12 with bird or buck, will make them stop whatever they are doing, and likely not ever do it again.

This is true. My grandpa used to own a 12 gauge and I remember him distinctly telling me that if I ever wanted a gun for defense, a .22 is a rip-off as it won't stop someone who really wants to get into your house.

He used buckshot, though, so I'm not sure if birdshot has enough power to put someone down.

[Yes Im Biop]

Spree would probably recommend 7.62x39mm(Basically meaning a hunt with an SKS or an AK), but there are literally tons of cartridges and rifles to choose from.

Erm, you guys in America have .240 / .300 inch calibre rifles right? My rifle's Brit...

If it's a size you can get ti at a gun show.

[Rupture Farms co]

Where the hell do you live?

Southern California. Surprisingly enough there's a lot of gun-owners here despite strict gun-control laws.

They're nice people, though, not like the NRA fear-mongering freaks you see embarrassing gun owners on TV. A few of them are actually pro-gun control, since most of them own pistols and only a few have rifles and shotguns. Not too many hunters here.

I live in Temecula, South Cal. Own eight guns. Three of them are "heavy assault weapons" And I for one have never meet a fear mongerer. In fact, i find more pro-control fear mongers then anything else.

[Vareiln]

Obama is a gun-stealing, freedom-hating liberal commie Kenyan usurper to the throne of the One True God and his vassal George W. Bush.

So Cheney is God?

[British Prussia]

I prefer to hunt with bolt's myself... The clicking sound it makes when you reload is... Calming.

[Spreewerke]

Spree would probably recommend 7.62x39mm(Basically meaning a hunt with an SKS or an AK), but there are literally tons of cartridges and rifles to choose from.

Erm, you guys in America have .240 / .300 inch calibre rifles right? My rifle's Brit...

Yes. Privi Partizan imports soft-pointed .303 Enfield cartridges, I believe. One of the deputies of my college town is an Enfield collector, so we always keep our shelves stocked with at least four boxes of .303 Enfield ammunition.

[Sentinel XV]

Obama is a gun-stealing, freedom-hating liberal commie Kenyan usurper to the throne of the One True God and his vassal George W. Bush.

So Cheney is God?

Pretty much, yes.

[Vareiln]

Actually a 12 Gague is about the only thing that can reliably put anything down, a .22 may just piss em off. a 12 with bird or buck, will make them stop whatever they are doing, and likely not ever do it again.

This is true. My grandpa used to own a 12 gauge and I remember him distinctly telling me that if I ever wanted a gun for defense, a .22 is a rip-off as it won't stop someone who really wants to get into your house.

He used buckshot, though, so I'm not sure if birdshot has enough power to put someone down.

With shotguns, it really does depend on the ammunition you use.

[AntiSwagLand]

Just a question, if yo're going to use the "self defense" argument for gun rights, do you REALLY need to own a heavy assault rifle and a 12 gauge for that? A .22 can stop anyone in their tracks and make them think twice.

Believe me, I'm for the right to own a gun, but I'm not gonna be going around screaming "DON'T TOUCH MY BABY"

Actually, a .22 won't. Unless you press it to they're temple anyways but thats a favorable situation. And yes, I want to shoot to disable or kill and an assault rifle does just that. What's a "heavy assault rifle" may I ask?

I don't mean literally a .22, I'm just saying a relatively light powered thing can save you just fine. And by "heavy AR" I just mean any high powered weapon in general. Why do you need that much? I think the biggest problem here is that people assume bigger is automatically better

[North Calaveras]

Not surprising AT ALL, just shows that even with Cali's laws(i live in northern cali) people will still get their hands on firearms.

And they get around their faulty ban on detachable magazines.

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It's almost funny how people think laws are going to stop people, the example that was just given is a prime one.

[British Prussia]

Erm, you guys in America have .240 / .300 inch calibre rifles right? My rifle's Brit...

If it's a size you can get ti at a gun show.

I mean, could you buy it on the hunting grounds itself?

[Yes Im Biop]

This is true. My grandpa used to own a 12 gauge and I remember him distinctly telling me that if I ever wanted a gun for defense, a .22 is a rip-off as it won't stop someone who really wants to get into your house.

He used buckshot, though, so I'm not sure if birdshot has enough power to put someone down.

With shotguns, it really does depend on the ammunition you use.

If it can fit into the shell it will probably fire it.

[Agymnum]

Southern California. Surprisingly enough there's a lot of gun-owners here despite strict gun-control laws.

They're nice people, though, not like the NRA fear-mongering freaks you see embarrassing gun owners on TV. A few of them are actually pro-gun control, since most of them own pistols and only a few have rifles and shotguns. Not too many hunters here.

I live in Temecula, South Cal. Own eight guns. Three of them are "heavy assault weapons" And I for one have never meet a fear mongerer. In fact, i find more pro-control fear mongers then anything else.

Eh, that's why I'm in a tight spot.

I'm personally pro-control, but I'm not anti-gun. Thus, I get alienated a lot because the pro-gun people scream at me for not wanting true freedom while the anti-gun people scream at me for "compromising safety" or some crap like that.

It's why I never vote on gun laws. Too much headache, doesn't affect me personally. So long as they don't ban bladed weapons, I'm fine.

[Spreewerke]

He used buckshot, though, so I'm not sure if birdshot has enough power to put someone down.

It does not.