Obama Will Take Your Guns

[Gun Manufacturers]

If gun ownership was banned, I honestly wouldn't mind. But to appease all the gun nuts out there I'd at least hope Obama would keep low caliber rifles and semi-automatic pistols legal. Beyond that, you definitely don't need automatics or high-powered rifles (i.e. AKs, M-16s, etc) to do simple hunting or for home defense.

No one want's a M16, And those use 5.56mm Which is the Military version of a .223. The AK is a good hunting rifle because it uses basically a .308.

High powered rifles start at I believe anything firing a Supersonic load right spree?

I wouldn't mind getting a transferable M16, but I don't have tens of thousands of dollars to drop on one.

[Chuck Berrys Funhouse]

I have the best flag in this thread.

It's pretty plain...

That's part of it's strength. I didn't want to over-clutter it with some Prussian phoenix or some crap like that.

[Vareiln]

No he dosn't want to take them away, but Democrats are wanting to grind away at it with more regulations and taxes, here in california it FUCKING SUCKS.

You dont tell people what they do and don't need, I will buy/steal a weapon to protect my family and loved ones because I know no matter how many laws are made there are going to be assholes that are also armed and there is no law going to stop them.

Jesus, sometimes I'm afraid of gun owners. Really afraid.

Makes me a bit nervous that the only thing I own in my house is a machete. I'd get blown to bits by a decently-armed criminal. But, eh, the police is pretty good where I live so I see no need for guns.

So... people's rights should be sacrificed for your false sense of security?

[Grave_n_idle]

This I find hard to believe. Based on what you've already written - if it were proved 100% that guns caused increased incidence of violence, and that banning them would reduce lethal violence to a tiny fraction of it's current level - (I believe, based on your already stated opinions) - that you'd still be arguing for the right to keep and bear arms.

I'm far less likely to agree to any gun control schemes if it impedes my ability to purchase the firearms that I want by too much. The peril is that agreeing to oblige by one form of restrictions will give way to having to comply with further restrictions until there is no longer any point in trying to only have legal firearms because they are too ineffective or obsolete compared to what the police and military will have at their disposal.

If your argument is that you need firearms to be legal so that you have an effective non-obsolete answer to the police and military, your platform is already a century out of date.

[Yes Im Biop]

No one want's a M16, And those use 5.56mm Which is the Military version of a .223. The AK is a good hunting rifle because it uses basically a .308.

High powered rifles start at I believe anything firing a Supersonic load right spree?

All firearms outside of handguns in .45ACP fire at supersonic speeds. "High powered rifles" are about as technical as "assault weapons."

There are differences between intermediate cartridges (as used in the AR-15, AKs, .30-30s, Mini-14s, etc.) and "full-size" cartridges used in rifles such as the AR-10, M91/30, M1A, and about 95% of the firearms used for anything the size of whitetail deer or larger.

And there you have it people, The Spreemister has spoken.

[Agymnum]

Jesus, sometimes I'm afraid of gun owners. Really afraid.

Makes me a bit nervous that the only thing I own in my house is a machete. I'd get blown to bits by a decently-armed criminal. But, eh, the police is pretty good where I live so I see no need for guns.

So... people's rights should be sacrificed for your false sense of security?

I'm not saying I'm gonna vote out of fear-mongering - that's why I stopped supporting pro-gun and the NRA in the first place - I'm just saying I'm personally afraid of gun-owners. I mean, I'll support the 2nd Amendment, just make sure it's regulated so I don't have crazies knocking on my doorstep toting shotguns. That's all I want.

[Grave_n_idle]

You know you're onto a loser when you set your moral platform up such that you align with 'killers'.

That wasn't the message, the message is that if someone, regardless of beliefs, wants a gun they will be able to get ahold of one.

Indeed. You, and killers. Apparently.

[Yes Im Biop]

Jesus, sometimes I'm afraid of gun owners. Really afraid.

Makes me a bit nervous that the only thing I own in my house is a machete. I'd get blown to bits by a decently-armed criminal. But, eh, the police is pretty good where I live so I see no need for guns.

So... people's rights should be sacrificed for your false sense of security?

Police on average take 10 min's to respond in a city i assume.
It takes you about 30 seconds to load and fire your gun (Assuming the ammo and weapon are in separate places)

[The UK in Exile]

Jesus, sometimes I'm afraid of gun owners. Really afraid.

Makes me a bit nervous that the only thing I own in my house is a machete. I'd get blown to bits by a decently-armed criminal. But, eh, the police is pretty good where I live so I see no need for guns.

So... people's rights should be sacrificed for your false sense of security?

funny, he probably sees it the other way round.

[Rupture Farms co]

No one want's a M16, And those use 5.56mm Which is the Military version of a .223. The AK is a good hunting rifle because it uses basically a .308.

High powered rifles start at I believe anything firing a Supersonic load right spree?

All firearms outside of handguns in .45ACP fire at supersonic speeds. "High powered rifles" are about as technical as "assault weapons."

There are differences between intermediate cartridges (as used in the AR-15, AKs, .30-30s, Mini-14s, etc.) and "full-size" cartridges used in rifles such as the AR-10, M91/30, M1A, and about 95% of the firearms used for anything the size of whitetail deer or larger.

"Assault weapon" is a stupid little word libs came up with to scare people. What is an "assault weapon" may I ask? Cab anyone say? Isn't a combat knife an "assault weapon"? Should we ban combat knifes? Well, you can kill people with fists too so we should just ban that shit too right? Or just regulate it, like no fist waving in public?

[British Prussia]

Just a quick question to hunters out here, what bullets are relatively cheap to get in the US, and what calibres are you allowed to hunt with? I might stopover the US to hunt a little...

[Vareiln]

So... people's rights should be sacrificed for your false sense of security?

I'm not saying I'm gonna vote out of fear-mongering - that's why I stopped supporting pro-gun and the NRA in the first place - I'm just saying I'm personally afraid of gun-owners. I mean, I'll support the 2nd Amendment, just make sure it's regulated so I don't have crazies knocking on my doorstep toting shotguns. That's all I want.

I could be wrong here, but I doubt such things ever happen.
Although, I do agree with you on the NRA.

[Yes Im Biop]

All firearms outside of handguns in .45ACP fire at supersonic speeds. "High powered rifles" are about as technical as "assault weapons."

There are differences between intermediate cartridges (as used in the AR-15, AKs, .30-30s, Mini-14s, etc.) and "full-size" cartridges used in rifles such as the AR-10, M91/30, M1A, and about 95% of the firearms used for anything the size of whitetail deer or larger.

"Assault weapon" is a stupid little word libs came up with to scare people. What is an "assault weapon" may I ask? Cab anyone say? Isn't a combat knife an "assault weapon"? Should we ban combat knifes? Well, you can kill people with fists too so we should just ban that shit too right? Or just regulate it, like no fist waving in public?

Presonaly i always thought assault weapon was the term for the Railway Cannons

[Agymnum]

So... people's rights should be sacrificed for your false sense of security?

Police on average take 10 min's to respond in a city i assume.
It takes you about 30 seconds to load and fire your gun (Assuming the ammo and weapon are in separate places)

Cops roam the block where I live (suburbs) so they're in about a two minute drive from my house usually. Five minutes at most if they stop by for coffee. I strategically located my house so there's always cops in-range of me screaming about being shot at.

No, I'm not paranoid. I'm just obsessive with property location.

[Sedikal]

He won't. If anything he will just reestablish the Assault weapons ban. It doesn't really affect me I only own a Glock.

[Vareiln]

Just a quick question to hunters out here, what bullets are relatively cheap to get in the US, and what calibres are you allowed to hunt with? I might stopover the US to hunt a little...

Spree would probably recommend 7.62x39mm(Basically meaning a hunt with an SKS or an AK), but there are literally tons of cartridges and rifles to choose from.

[Asanaria]

I can honestly say I am surprised this lasted 14 pages

[Yes Im Biop]

Police on average take 10 min's to respond in a city i assume.
It takes you about 30 seconds to load and fire your gun (Assuming the ammo and weapon are in separate places)

Cops roam the block where I live (suburbs) so they're in about a two minute drive from my house usually. Five minutes at most if they stop by for coffee. I strategically located my house so there's always cops in-range of me screaming about being shot at.

No, I'm not paranoid. I'm just obsessive with property location.

How did you manage that? And Oddly enough your defense can be replaced by Gun Owner's desire to have a weapon.

[Yes Im Biop]

Just a quick question to hunters out here, what bullets are relatively cheap to get in the US, and what calibres are you allowed to hunt with? I might stopover the US to hunt a little...

Anything from a .22LR to the .955 Big fuck.

[North Calaveras]

Police on average take 10 min's to respond in a city i assume.
It takes you about 30 seconds to load and fire your gun (Assuming the ammo and weapon are in separate places)

Cops roam the block where I live (suburbs) so they're in about a two minute drive from my house usually. Five minutes at most if they stop by for coffee. I strategically located my house so there's always cops in-range of me screaming about being shot at.

No, I'm not paranoid. I'm just obsessive with property location.

The CHP are literally STATIONED less than 2 minutes away from my mom, she called the police cause she thought someone was breaking into her place, then after she called me, I live much farther away and I got there FIFTEEN minutes before the police even showed up.

[Agymnum]

I'm not saying I'm gonna vote out of fear-mongering - that's why I stopped supporting pro-gun and the NRA in the first place - I'm just saying I'm personally afraid of gun-owners. I mean, I'll support the 2nd Amendment, just make sure it's regulated so I don't have crazies knocking on my doorstep toting shotguns. That's all I want.

I could be wrong here, but I doubt such things ever happen.
Although, I do agree with you on the NRA.

My suburb got shook up when a bunch of "thug-life" wannabes drove around shooting off shotguns in the air. They stopped at a few houses at shot out the windows with low-caliber rifles (not automatic or high-caliber, so I'm actually okay with those being legal), but otherwise they didn't really pose a threat.

I'd hate to see what they'd have done with fully automatics. Still, it was kinda funny to see them parade around like they were all that.

They pussied-out when the cops showed up, though, so I was relieved that the only thing in my house that would need replacing would be my windows.

[Vareiln]

I could be wrong here, but I doubt such things ever happen.
Although, I do agree with you on the NRA.

My suburb got shook up when a bunch of "thug-life" wannabes drove around shooting off shotguns in the air. They stopped at a few houses at shot out the windows with low-caliber rifles (not automatic or high-caliber, so I'm actually okay with those being legal), but otherwise they didn't really pose a threat.

I'd hate to see what they'd have done with fully automatics. Still, it was kinda funny to see them parade around like they were all that.

They pussied-out when the cops showed up, though, so I was relieved that the only thing in my house that would need replacing would be my windows.

Where the hell do you live?

[Agymnum]

Cops roam the block where I live (suburbs) so they're in about a two minute drive from my house usually. Five minutes at most if they stop by for coffee. I strategically located my house so there's always cops in-range of me screaming about being shot at.

No, I'm not paranoid. I'm just obsessive with property location.

How did you manage that? And Oddly enough your defense can be replaced by Gun Owner's desire to have a weapon.

Police station is in the plaza across from my house, and my house is on the curb so it's where the patrol circuit begins and ends. Thus, whenever a patrol is finishing they pass my house before veering off to the station, and thus there's almost no time gap before the next cop arrives.

[Rupture Farms co]

Police on average take 10 min's to respond in a city i assume.
It takes you about 30 seconds to load and fire your gun (Assuming the ammo and weapon are in separate places)

Cops roam the block where I live (suburbs) so they're in about a two minute drive from my house usually. Five minutes at most if they stop by for coffee. I strategically located my house so there's always cops in-range of me screaming about being shot at.

No, I'm not paranoid. I'm just obsessive with property location.

What about neighborhoods that don't have cops right on the streets?

[AntiSwagLand]

Just a question, if yo're going to use the "self defense" argument for gun rights, do you REALLY need to own a heavy assault rifle and a 12 gauge for that? A .22 can stop anyone in their tracks and make them think twice.

Believe me, I'm for the right to own a gun, but I'm not gonna be going around screaming "DON'T TOUCH MY BABY"