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Postby Kryozerkia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:07 pm

United Islands of the Pacific wrote:This is all fake. He wouldn't take all guns, and Agenda 21 is just a conspiracy. It doesn't exist. Assault weapons will be banned, for sure. And I'm sure that there will be stricter regulations when it comes to buying weapons. Why should the average American need an automatic weapon? To kill, obviously. Whoever is against this law is getting their information from the wrong sources.

How dare you be reasonable! How dare you get in the way of irrational fear! :p
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:07 pm

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The Liberals win and the Conservatives talk like it was a valiant struggle.

But in the end, they got fucked and the Liberals won. Apparently no one bothered studying up how the battle actually ended.


Oh I know the ending, still a cool ass movie though even if it's inaccurate in parts.

then again that would be civil war if liberals and conservatives were killing each other


I'd just get the fuck outta dodge. While I am a liberal, I ain't dying for my ideology.

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But in all seriousness, I doubt Obama's gonna try and destroy the 2nd Amendment. At most he'll reinstate the Assault Weapons ban and put stricter restrictions on who should own guns, which I support. Less loonies owning guns is always good for me.
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Postby British Prussia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:07 pm

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Fuck I just had a little retarded moment... I don't live in the US lol, I'm all good!
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:09 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:
United Islands of the Pacific wrote:This is all fake. He wouldn't take all guns, and Agenda 21 is just a conspiracy. It doesn't exist. Assault weapons will be banned, for sure. And I'm sure that there will be stricter regulations when it comes to buying weapons. Why should the average American need an automatic weapon? To kill, obviously. Whoever is against this law is getting their information from the wrong sources.

How dare you be reasonable! How dare you get in the way of irrational fear! :p


Reason? On the NS General forums?

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Postby British Prussia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:10 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:
United Islands of the Pacific wrote:This is all fake. He wouldn't take all guns, and Agenda 21 is just a conspiracy. It doesn't exist. Assault weapons will be banned, for sure. And I'm sure that there will be stricter regulations when it comes to buying weapons. Why should the average American need an automatic weapon? To kill, obviously. Whoever is against this law is getting their information from the wrong sources.

How dare you be reasonable! How dare you get in the way of irrational fear! :p

Some people need Assault Rifles to crack open nuts. That isn't killing people...
Rpg's can be used whoever you forget the key's to your house. All very acceptable ways to use your dangerous weapon.
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Postby Demphor » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:10 pm

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Demphor wrote:Ironic, because he's repealed restrictions on national parks

its also terrible than gun advocates are more scared about their guns being taken away rather than mourning the victims of Sandy Hook

It's kind of terrible that you're using that incident to try and paint the other side of the debate as inhuman monsters.


Well, it happens every time, haven't you noticed? Every time a shooting happens, gun advocates responses are DONT TOUCH MY GUNS
I mean some gun advocates proposed taking gun restrictions of school grounds
Whats next? We should've given guns to the kindergartners, so they could've fought back?

I believe in gun rights, but come one, its been one time too many. We also don't need automatic assault rifles to defend ourselves, this is stupid how others defend this and believe its perfectly fine to go dear hunting with an assault rifle.

No, just no, get rid of assault rifles again.
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:10 pm

British Prussia wrote:
Kryozerkia wrote:How dare you be reasonable! How dare you get in the way of irrational fear! :p

Some people need Assault Rifles to crack open nuts. That isn't killing people...
Rpg's can be used whoever you forget the key's to your house. All very acceptable ways to use your dangerous weapon.


Hell, I use my Uzi to pop open my safe whenever I forget the combo. It's cheaper than hiring a locksmith!
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Postby Zimmer Twins » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:11 pm

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Postby Benomia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:12 pm

Here's what I actually think about gun laws (in America).

I think that fully automatic weapons shouldn't be in the hands of anyone. By that I mean fully automatic, if you keep down the trigger it keeps firing. Some almost automatic weapons like the M16A4 are neat for collectors and enthusiasts.

Handguns .40 and below should be legal, with a limit of seven rounds per magazine. Semi-automatic only, there's no need for Generic Joe to have a Glock 18. Once again, almost automatic handguns like the M93 are neat for collectors and enthusiasts.

That being said, I don't see the problem with allowing semi-automatic rifles. If for no other reason than to please enthusiasts, Generic Joe should be allowed to have a semi-automatic AK-74 to go fire off at the range, or an AR-15 to go hunt with. That goes for shotguns too. If Generic Joe wants an M1014, he should be allowed to have one. If Generic Joe wants to have an USAS-12, he shouldn't.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:14 pm

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Oh I know the ending, still a cool ass movie though even if it's inaccurate in parts.

then again that would be civil war if liberals and conservatives were killing each other


I'd just get the fuck outta dodge. While I am a liberal, I ain't dying for my ideology.

To Europe, ho!

But in all seriousness, I doubt Obama's gonna try and destroy the 2nd Amendment. At most he'll reinstate the Assault Weapons ban and put stricter restrictions on who should own guns, which I support. Less loonies owning guns is always good for me.



im for less loonies owning guns, im NOT for guns themselves being restricted.
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Postby British Prussia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:14 pm

Agymnum wrote:
British Prussia wrote:Some people need Assault Rifles to crack open nuts. That isn't killing people...
Rpg's can be used whoever you forget the key's to your house. All very acceptable ways to use your dangerous weapon.


Hell, I use my Uzi to pop open my safe whenever I forget the combo. It's cheaper than hiring a locksmith!

Well there you go! Why buy a oven, when you can buy a flamethrower? Then you can cook like, 100 chicken's at once!
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Postby The UK in Exile » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:17 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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I'd just get the fuck outta dodge. While I am a liberal, I ain't dying for my ideology.

To Europe, ho!

But in all seriousness, I doubt Obama's gonna try and destroy the 2nd Amendment. At most he'll reinstate the Assault Weapons ban and put stricter restrictions on who should own guns, which I support. Less loonies owning guns is always good for me.



im for less loonies owning guns, im NOT for guns themselves being restricted.


so regulating guns is bad but regulating people is fine and dandy......
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Postby Vareiln » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:18 pm

Demphor wrote:
Vareiln wrote:It's kind of terrible that you're using that incident to try and paint the other side of the debate as inhuman monsters.


Well, it happens every time, haven't you noticed? Every time a shooting happens, gun advocates responses are DONT TOUCH MY GUNS
I mean some gun advocates proposed taking gun restrictions of school grounds
Whats next? We should've given guns to the kindergartners, so they could've fought back?

I believe in gun rights, but come one, its been one time too many. We also don't need automatic assault rifles to defend ourselves, this is stupid how others defend this and believe its perfectly fine to go dear hunting with an assault rifle.

No, just no, get rid of assault rifles again.

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You do know assault rifles have been banned by definition since 1968?

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Postby Demphor » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:19 pm

Vareiln wrote:
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Well, it happens every time, haven't you noticed? Every time a shooting happens, gun advocates responses are DONT TOUCH MY GUNS
I mean some gun advocates proposed taking gun restrictions of school grounds
Whats next? We should've given guns to the kindergartners, so they could've fought back?

I believe in gun rights, but come one, its been one time too many. We also don't need automatic assault rifles to defend ourselves, this is stupid how others defend this and believe its perfectly fine to go dear hunting with an assault rifle.

No, just no, get rid of assault rifles again.

...
You do know assault rifles have been banned by definition since 1968?


semi-auto is what I mean to say, sorry
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:19 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
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im for less loonies owning guns, im NOT for guns themselves being restricted.


so regulating guns is bad but regulating people is fine and dandy......


to a sensible degree yes, if the individual has no criminal background or one that isn't very serious, passes a written test and takes a course to learn then I don't see a problem.
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Vareiln wrote:
Demphor wrote:
Well, it happens every time, haven't you noticed? Every time a shooting happens, gun advocates responses are DONT TOUCH MY GUNS
I mean some gun advocates proposed taking gun restrictions of school grounds
Whats next? We should've given guns to the kindergartners, so they could've fought back?

I believe in gun rights, but come one, its been one time too many. We also don't need automatic assault rifles to defend ourselves, this is stupid how others defend this and believe its perfectly fine to go dear hunting with an assault rifle.

No, just no, get rid of assault rifles again.

...
You do know assault rifles have been banned by definition since 1968?


And yet rifles that are specifically tailored to skirt the ban have been made and they perform quite admirably in their firing rates.
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Postby Alekera » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:20 pm

Demphor wrote:
Vareiln wrote:...
You do know assault rifles have been banned by definition since 1968?


semi-auto is what I mean to say, sorry


Just semi-autos? not bolt actions? or lever actions? or pump actions?

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Postby Vareiln » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:21 pm

Demphor wrote:
Vareiln wrote:...
You do know assault rifles have been banned by definition since 1968?


semi-auto is what I mean to say, sorry

Okay. But what purpose would it serve to ban semi-automatic weapons?

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Postby The UK in Exile » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:21 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
so regulating guns is bad but regulating people is fine and dandy......


to a sensible degree yes, if the individual has no criminal background or one that isn't very serious, passes a written test and takes a course to learn then I don't see a problem.


have a glance at the OP then.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:22 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
to a sensible degree yes, if the individual has no criminal background or one that isn't very serious, passes a written test and takes a course to learn then I don't see a problem.


have a glance at the OP then.


The OP as far as I'm concered just made this thread to get a rise out of people, I could care less about his opinion on the matter.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:23 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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have a glance at the OP then.


The OP as far as I'm concered just made this thread to get a rise out of people, I could care less about his opinion on the matter.


whoops, thought this was the school shooting thread.
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Postby Demphor » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:25 pm

Vareiln wrote:
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semi-auto is what I mean to say, sorry

Okay. But what purpose would it serve to ban semi-automatic weapons?


Not killing anyone

What purpose does it serve to have them out where someone can go break into schools and kill everyone there?

in Japan, for example, guns are completely outlawed, yet only 11 homicides were committed in 2008 because of gun violence.

We lost more twice that many in a day.
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Postby Radiatia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:25 pm

If any of this is true then my respect for Obama has just skyrocketed. It's high time he grew a pair of balls.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:26 pm

Demphor wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Okay. But what purpose would it serve to ban semi-automatic weapons?


Not killing anyone

What purpose does it serve to have them out where someone can go break into schools and kill everyone there?

in Japan, for example, guns are completely outlawed, yet only 11 homicides were committed in 2008 because of gun violence.

We lost more twice that many in a day.


the culture is different...vastly different, that's why guns are not the problem, it's the pyschological issue that is of the utmost importance, not punishing the majority for the acts of a very small minority.
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