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Postby Saiwania » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:52 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:What is interesting about your post (apart from the ITG-ness) is that it's an admission that your position is not about 'rights', the Constitution, or whether or not it's even a good idea (like, for safety, etc) - but is entirely about selfish ideology.

I actually have more respect for that position than for most of the pseudo-reasons people dream up.


I'm willing to tolerate reasonable restrictions on certain types of firearms, but not outright bans on the ownership of certain weapons. Save for explosives and other weapons currently classified as destructive devices such as flamethrowers and RPGs.

This is with the understanding that most people who try to purchase a firearm which is heavily regulated will give up long before the entire process is completed, and the people who do complete that successfully generally won't ever use it for a crime; certainly not after all the time and expense involved in acquiring an NFA (class III) weapon.

If handguns are used more often in crimes, I wouldn't mind tighter restrictions on those firearms; instead of restrictions on the typical shotgun or hunting rifle.

I'd prefer that almost no firearms have to be explicitly banned, but some be more heavily restricted than others. I'd want it to be difficult but not impossible for the gun collector/enthusiast to legally own a particular type of firearm.
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Postby Newbush » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:50 pm

I feel like anybody who owns a gun should now be charged with the death penalty. you wanna own a machine that puts people in harms way. Lets put you in harms way.

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Postby Benomia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:51 pm

Newbush wrote:I feel like anybody who owns a gun should now be charged with the death penalty. you wanna own a machine that puts people in harms way. Lets put you in harms way.

I feel like anybody who owns a baseball card should be put in a concentration camp. You wanna collect something? Let's collect you.
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:55 pm

Come and get them, faggot!

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Postby Benomia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:56 pm

Arlenton wrote:Come and get them, faggot!

That's offensive and rude. You should feel bad.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:56 pm

Arlenton wrote:Come and get them, faggot!

Are you talking to Obama?
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Postby The UK in Exile » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:56 pm

Benomia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Come and get them, faggot!

That's offensive and rude. You should feel bad.


so much for an armed society is a polite one.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:57 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Come and get them, faggot!

Are you talking to Obama?


Everyone should talk to him like that.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:57 pm

Can we have an original conspiracy theory? One with Richard Brunelle, crack, and hookers?

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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:58 pm

If you wanna go the 300 style you have to go

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Postby Demphor » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:58 pm

Ironic, because he's repealed restrictions on national parks

its also terrible than gun advocates are more scared about their guns being taken away rather than mourning the victims of Sandy Hook
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:59 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Are you talking to Obama?


Everyone should talk to him like that.


That seems to be a Republican platform since 2008.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:00 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Come and get them, faggot!

Are you talking to Obama?

The wife and kids are just cover. Obama, like all Kenyans, lusts for the flesh of men.

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Postby Nationalist Eminral Republic » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:00 pm

Certain regulations must be put in place like mental checks, medical examinations, criminal background check etc etc, but I don't believe guns should be illegal.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:00 pm

North Calaveras wrote:If you wanna go the 300 style you have to go

" Liberals!....COME AND GET THEM!!!"


you remember how that ends right?
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Are you talking to Obama?

The wife and kids are just cover. Obama, like all Kenyans, lusts for the flesh of men.

Alright, fine. We all know that about Hawaiian Kenyans. I mean... they can't help it. But what is he gonna do with all the guns?
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:02 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:If you wanna go the 300 style you have to go

" Liberals!....COME AND GET THEM!!!"


you remember how that ends right?


The Liberals win and the Conservatives talk like it was a valiant struggle.

But in the end, they got fucked and the Liberals won. Apparently no one bothered studying up how the battle actually ended.
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Postby United Islands of the Pacific » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:04 pm

This is all fake. He wouldn't take all guns, and Agenda 21 is just a conspiracy. It doesn't exist. Assault weapons will be banned, for sure. And I'm sure that there will be stricter regulations when it comes to buying weapons. Why should the average American need an automatic weapon? To kill, obviously. Whoever is against this law is getting their information from the wrong sources.
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:05 pm

Nationalist Eminral Republic wrote:Certain regulations must be put in place like mental checks, medical examinations, criminal background check etc etc, but I don't believe guns should be illegal.


This. You have the right to bear arms, provided you are sane of mind, capable of keeping your guns out of those who are not sane of mind, are not a criminal, are trained, etc.

The right to bear arms is not unlimited, just like how freedom of speech can be limited in the interest of public safety (i.e. no yelling "Fire!" in a crowded public venue)
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Postby Vareiln » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:05 pm

Demphor wrote:Ironic, because he's repealed restrictions on national parks

its also terrible than gun advocates are more scared about their guns being taken away rather than mourning the victims of Sandy Hook

It's kind of terrible that you're using that incident to try and paint the other side of the debate as inhuman monsters.

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Postby British Prussia » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:06 pm

What about my P30LS? And my Holland & Holland? Those are my only 2 babies that I have... Why? WHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!
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Postby Delator » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:06 pm

The Global Proletariat wrote:Obama is coming for your guns. He has always wanted your guns. He waited until his second term to secure a mandate for rule. Now that he has a mandate, and the political winds are shifting, he will come for your guns.

He will start with a nationwide gun buyback. The weak and the lilly-livered...


That's where I stopped reading.

YOU are the problem. You and everyone else in the gun culture who equate such choices with weakness.
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Postby Agymnum » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:06 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Demphor wrote:Ironic, because he's repealed restrictions on national parks

its also terrible than gun advocates are more scared about their guns being taken away rather than mourning the victims of Sandy Hook

It's kind of terrible that you're using that incident to try and paint the other side of the debate as inhuman monsters.


Well, my friend, that's how politics works ;)
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:06 pm

Agymnum wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
you remember how that ends right?


The Liberals win and the Conservatives talk like it was a valiant struggle.

But in the end, they got fucked and the Liberals won. Apparently no one bothered studying up how the battle actually ended.


Oh I know the ending, still a cool ass movie though even if it's inaccurate in parts.

then again that would be civil war if liberals and conservatives were killing each other
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Postby Liriena » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:06 pm

Didn't happen in his first term, even though Glenn Beck and the other loonies screamed it over and over for three whole years.

How am I supposed to believe that he'll do it now, when nothing has changed? The House is still Republican, most states are still Republican, and the NRA is as strong a lobby as it was last year.

I'd love it if Obama's so called "mandate" was actually something other than an abstract. Sadly, this supposed "mandate" can't change the fact that the tantrum-throwing brats known as the GOP still have enough power over key branches of the government to render the OP's downright insane fear-mongering utterly void.

That being said...why would it be so incredibly tragic, catastrophic, even world-ending if the United States decided to abide by everything the UN says? Do you know what the UN says? It says that people have the right to life, several forms of freedom, dignity, education, healthcare, equality under the law, healthy enviroments and food. The UN says that if you lay a single finger on a captured enemy combatant, you are a war criminal and should spend a few years in jail. The UN says that religious, racial, cultural and sexual minotiries have inalienable rights that cannot be arbitrariously disregarded by the state. The UN says that children should not starve or die from pre-existing conditions or be beaten.

If you ask me, the United States becoming a "vassal state" of the UN would be one hell of an improvement.
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