Higher taxes for the rich?

[Frisivisia]

Monopoly of force, you say? Should we have several armed groups in each city, fighting each other for trade and resources? I'll call my group the Bloods, you can call yours the Crips, and I bet we'll have a peaceful, stable society.

Nice naming, but I'm not an american remember?
And you are trying to imply that if there are two separate armed groups they cannot get along with each other?

WW2 proves this wrong.

Oh, well the Bloods and the Crips are the two most prevalent gangs in the US, and the shit that happens between them, and the violence that occurs, is brutal.

[Sociobiology]

Monopoly of force, you say? Should we have several armed groups in each city, fighting each other for trade and resources? I'll call my group the Bloods, you can call yours the Crips, and I bet we'll have a peaceful, stable society.

Nice naming, but I'm not an american remember?
And you are trying to imply that if there are two separate armed groups they cannot get along with each other?

WW2 proves this wrong.

It also proves they will do the opposite as well.

[Sociobiology]

So, armed groups to contain criminals? I suspect some form of organised system is forming here...

Doesn't make it a monopoly of force.

according to most anarchist ,yes.
because it can take away property and rights.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Mesopotamia is where formal law was invented, in 3000 BC.

It is also where the state was invented, as well as the police force.

Not exactly.
Chances are there probably were monarchs around before Mesopotamia.

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Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the code of hammurabi.

and you think those don't have police?

They don't have police, they are volunteer/community based systems.

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And other than mesopotamia, up until the Christian era there were still cultures all over the world using polycentric legal systems.

There still are. What does this have to do with my statement anyway?

You seemed to be implying otherwise.

[Sociobiology]

It is also where the state was invented, as well as the police force.

Not exactly.
Chances are there probably were monarchs around before Mesopotamia.

Possibly, but you do realize the Mesopotamian civilization was a state long before it had a monarchy right?
In fact they had private property, taxes, and redistribution before they had monarchy.
It even seems they invented money before monarchy.

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and you think those don't have police?

They don't have police, they are volunteer/community based systems.

wrong I even referenced them specifically.

the Praetorian guards, and market place guards.

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There still are. What does this have to do with my statement anyway?

You seemed to be implying otherwise.

[/quote]
where?

[Moving Forward Inc]

Nice naming, but I'm not an american remember?
And you are trying to imply that if there are two separate armed groups they cannot get along with each other?

WW2 proves this wrong.

Oh, well the Bloods and the Crips are the two most prevalent gangs in the US, and the shit that happens between them, and the violence that occurs, is brutal.

I have heard of them.
In NZ there are crips and bloods (under the name S.A.D) too.
But it's not all warfare.
Crips are friendly with the gang black power, SAD is friendly with the mongrel mob.
They do drug deals and that sort of thing.
And usually the gangs will stay in their own territory, so there isn't too much brutal fighting between them.
I would expect that Bloods and Crips in the USA would have alliances with other gangs too.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Not exactly.
Chances are there probably were monarchs around before Mesopotamia.

Possibly, but you do realize the Mesopotamian civilization was a state long before it had a monarchy right?
In fact they had private property, taxes, and redistribution before they had monarchy.

Hammurabi wasn't the first monarch, amirite?

[

They don't have police, they are volunteer/community based systems.

wrong I even referenced them specifically.

the Praetorian guards, and market place guards.

The fuck?
This isn't about mesopotamia, this is about the places which had polycentric legal systems.

[

You seemed to be implying otherwise.

where?[/quote]
Never mind.

[Excelsa Capital Limited]

What are your views on higher taxes for the rich? In my oppinion, it is a rather bad idea. However, who cares, because I asked you about yours.

It's common sense.

[The Black Forrest]

History would suggest otherwise, given that they've been in place since virtually the beginning of human civilisation.

Cops didn't exist until Britain's "bobby peelers".
We have been going on for thousands of years without police FYI.

Cops? Sure. Some form of authority can control has been around for a long time.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Cops didn't exist until Britain's "bobby peelers".
We have been going on for thousands of years without police FYI.

Cops? Sure. Some form of authority can control has been around for a long time.

Agreed.

[The Black Forrest]

Cops didn't exist until Britain's "bobby peelers".
We have been going on for thousands of years without police FYI.

wrong

the Babylonians at least, had a police force, the Praetorian guards, and market place guards.
Mesopotamia likely had police even before they invented money.

There you go again bringing up facts against preconceived notions.

[The Black Forrest]

Cops? Sure. Some form of authority and control has been around for a long time.

Agreed.

Alright? So you are backpedaling....

[Moving Forward Inc]

Agreed.

Alright... so you are backpedaling???
/edit

Edit:
Backpedaling?

[Sociobiology]

Possibly, but you do realize the Mesopotamian civilization was a state long before it had a monarchy right?
In fact they had private property, taxes, and redistribution before they had monarchy.

Hammurabi wasn't the first monarch, amirite?

nor was Hammurabi's code the first code of laws.
We even know HOW the monarchy started because they kept records to justify their legitimacy, it was all about wealthy men inter-marrying with the priestesses and gaining some of their authority.

The fuck?
This isn't about mesopotamia, this is about the places which had polycentric legal systems.

which YOU held up as an example of polycentric law.
I would love to know your examples of polcentric law prior to UR or the Indus river valley civilization.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Hammurabi wasn't the first monarch, amirite?

nor was Hammurabi's code the first code of laws.
We even know HOW the monarchy started because they kept records to justify their legitimacy, it was all about wealthy men inter-marrying with the priestesses and gaining some of their authority.

I'm talking about the mesopotamian monarchy.

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The fuck?
This isn't about mesopotamia, this is about the places which had polycentric legal systems.

which YOU held up as an example of polycentric law.
I would love to know your examples of polcentric law prior to UR or the Indus river valley civilization.

Here we go, people shoving words in my mouth again.
Fun time.

[Sociobiology]

wrong

the Babylonians at least, had a police force, the Praetorian guards, and market place guards.
Mesopotamia likely had police even before they invented money.

There you go again bringing up facts against preconceived notions.

annoying right.

[Sociobiology]

nor was Hammurabi's code the first code of laws.
We even know HOW the monarchy started because they kept records to justify their legitimacy, it was all about wealthy men inter-marrying with the priestesses and gaining some of their authority.

I'm talking about the mesopotamian monarchy.

since when?
fist it was police then law.

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which YOU held up as an example of polycentric law.
I would love to know your examples of polcentric law prior to UR or the Indus river valley civilization.

Here we go, people shoving words in my mouth again.
Fun time.

[/quote]
yeah because I made up you said.

Cops didn't exist until Britain's "bobby peelers".
We have been going on for thousands of years without police FYI.

They {the Mesopotamian's} don't have police, they are volunteer/community based systems.

Chances are there probably were monarchs around before Mesopotamia.

Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the code of hammurabi.

or did you forget your post are on this very page.

[Moving Forward Inc]

since when?
fist it was police then law.

yeah because I made up you said.

Cops didn't exist until Britain's "bobby peelers".
We have been going on for thousands of years without police FYI.

They {the Mesopotamian's} don't have police, they are volunteer/community based systems.

Chances are there probably were monarchs around before Mesopotamia.

Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the code of hammurabi.

or did you forget your post are on this very page.

The 2nd line did not refer to Mesopotamian's, they referred to other places which used polycentric legal systems.

The 4th line is referring to the laws themselves, not the system behind it.

All cleared up now?

[Iowa the Nation]

How about lower taxes for everyone? Isn't the point of making money making money? God knows the government doesn't need to waste more now...

[Maudlnya]

Tax has to stay relatively low for everyone... it is just a matter of where they spend it.

[The Black Forrest]

How about lower taxes for everyone? Isn't the point of making money making money? God knows the government doesn't need to waste more now...

Taxes are low. The upper class made out like bandits.

Lower classes saw a little bit sure.

This notion that if we restore taxes before the shrub the economy will collapse is bunch of crap being spouted by the Republicans. They keep trying say the economy is collapsing and yet people are going back to work. Improving the homes. Taking trips.....

It's not a stellar economy but to say it's horrible is a lie.

[The Black Forrest]

Tax has to stay relatively low for everyone... it is just a matter of where they spend it.

Nope. Raising it on the 250K + crowd won't do anything.

[Vetalia]

How about lower taxes for everyone? Isn't the point of making money making money? God knows the government doesn't need to waste more now...

Problem is, too many people like government spending too much to lower taxes...the US defense budget is the single biggest piece of middle-upper class welfare on the planet.

[The Black Forrest]

yeah because I made up you said.

Cops didn't exist until Britain's "bobby peelers".
We have been going on for thousands of years without police FYI.

They {the Mesopotamian's} don't have police, they are volunteer/community based systems.

Chances are there probably were monarchs around before Mesopotamia.

Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the code of hammurabi.

or did you forget your post are on this very page.

The 2nd line did not refer to Mesopotamian's, they referred to other places which used polycentric legal systems.

The 4th line is referring to the laws themselves, not the system behind it.

All cleared up now?

Ok I am not following your convoluted logic.

So why not explain it. But go slow.

[The Black Forrest]

How about lower taxes for everyone? Isn't the point of making money making money? God knows the government doesn't need to waste more now...

Problem is, too many people like government spending too much to lower taxes...the US defense budget is the single biggest piece of middle-upper class welfare on the planet.

And you have a few delusional nut bags who want to throw more money at it.