Higher taxes for the rich?

[Moving Forward Inc]

Lol, another person who thinks that if government is destroyed it will be "Yay, absolute chaos, I'm gunna rape my nextdoor neighbors daughter! Yeah!".

That's what the rapist will be doing.

And when the gun laws are gone I'll be the one grabbing out the minigun and shooting the fucker in the balls.

Seriously, haven't you ever heard of polycentric law, martial law, and the fact that the monopoly of force prevents humans from taking action against criminals?

[Frisivisia]

You don't need them, but in order to maintain anything resembling a capitalist system they are absolutely essential.

Lol, another person who thinks that if government is destroyed it will be "Yay, absolute chaos, I'm gunna rape my nextdoor neighbors daughter! Yeah!".

Lol, another person who thinks that if government is destroyed it will continue to be a functioning society.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Or any other power that opposes coerced relations.
But most humans do anyway.
You don't need formal law and police forces.

History would suggest otherwise, given that they've been in place since virtually the beginning of human civilisation.

This is a horrifically racist statement to make.

Because, apparently, the vast number of attested societies in the ethnographic record that had no such institutions in place don't count as "human civilization."

[Parti Ouvrier]

You don't need them, but in order to maintain anything resembling a capitalist system they are absolutely essential.

Lol, another person who thinks that if government is destroyed it will be "Yay, absolute chaos, I'm gunna rape my nextdoor neighbors daughter! Yeah!".

Strawman. That's not what he said. He said you don't need them, he said nothing about government being destroyed.

[Sociobiology]

History would suggest otherwise, given that they've been in place since virtually the beginning of human civilisation.

Cops didn't exist until Britain's "bobby peelers".
We have been going on for thousands of years without police FYI.

wrong

the Babylonians at least, had a police force, the Praetorian guards, and market place guards.
Mesopotamia likely had police even before they invented money.

[Frisivisia]

That's what the rapist will be doing.

And when the gun laws are gone I'll be the one grabbing out the minigun and shooting the fucker in the balls.

Seriously, haven't you ever heard of polycentric law, martial law, and the fact that the monopoly of force prevents humans from taking action against criminals?

I'd say that martial law is not in the best interest of anyone but the best armed, tyrants, and well-armed tyrants.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Lol, another person who thinks that if government is destroyed it will be "Yay, absolute chaos, I'm gunna rape my nextdoor neighbors daughter! Yeah!".

Lol, another person who thinks that if government is destroyed it will continue to be a functioning society.

How do you define "functioning"?

[Priory Academy USSR]

That's what the rapist will be doing.

And when the gun laws are gone I'll be the one grabbing out the minigun and shooting the fucker in the balls.

Seriously, haven't you ever heard of polycentric law, martial law, and the fact that the monopoly of force prevents humans from taking action against criminals?

So, armed groups to contain criminals? I suspect some form of organised system is forming here...

[Sociobiology]

History would suggest otherwise, given that they've been in place since virtually the beginning of human civilisation.

This is a horrifically racist statement to make.

Because, apparently, the vast number of attested societies in the ethnographic record that had no such institutions in place don't count as "human civilization."

replace civilization with states, and not only does the racism disappear but so does your critique.

[New England and The Maritimes]

History would suggest otherwise, given that they've been in place since virtually the beginning of human civilisation.

This is a horrifically racist statement to make.

Because, apparently, the vast number of attested societies in the ethnographic record that had no such institutions in place don't count as "human civilization."

Obviously only stupid darkies organized themselves any other way, and since they aren't white men, they're brutes unworthy of recognition as human!

[Frisivisia]

Lol, another person who thinks that if government is destroyed it will continue to be a functioning society.

How do you define "functioning"?

Not Fallout.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Cops didn't exist until Britain's "bobby peelers".
We have been going on for thousands of years without police FYI.

wrong

the Babylonians at least, had a police force, the Praetorian guards, and market place guards.
Mesopotamia likely had police even before they invented money.

Mesopotamia is where formal law was invented, in 3000 BC.
Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the code of hammurabi.
And other than mesopotamia, up until the Christian era there were still cultures all over the world using polycentric legal systems.

[Sociobiology]

That's what the rapist will be doing.

And when the gun laws are gone I'll be the one grabbing out the minigun and shooting the fucker in the balls.

Seriously, haven't you ever heard of polycentric law, martial law, and the fact that the monopoly of force prevents humans from taking action against criminals?

which is a good thing.

"Look at him he's all gangley and unwashed he has to be the murderer, get em!!!!"
screams the actual murderer from the mob.

[Moving Forward Inc]

And when the gun laws are gone I'll be the one grabbing out the minigun and shooting the fucker in the balls.

Seriously, haven't you ever heard of polycentric law, martial law, and the fact that the monopoly of force prevents humans from taking action against criminals?

So, armed groups to contain criminals? I suspect some form of organised system is forming here...

Doesn't make it a monopoly of force.

[Moving Forward Inc]

How do you define "functioning"?

Not Fallout.

Because if we adopt anarchism the whole world will be nuked and irradiated deformed mutated beasts will come out and kill people

[Frisivisia]

wrong

the Babylonians at least, had a police force, the Praetorian guards, and market place guards.
Mesopotamia likely had police even before they invented money.

Mesopotamia is where formal law was invented, in 3000 BC.
Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the code of hammurabi.
And other than mesopotamia, up until the Christian era there were still cultures all over the world using polycentric legal systems.

Never mind that the code of Hammurabi was made IN Mesopotamia. Or that the code of Hammurabi WAS organized law, or that Civilization sprouted in Mesopotamia 2000 years earlier than you said.

[Frisivisia]

Not Fallout.

Because if we adopt anarchism the whole world will be nuked and irradiated deformed mutated beasts will come out and kill people

#IntentionallyMissingThePoint

[Frisivisia]

So, armed groups to contain criminals? I suspect some form of organised system is forming here...

Doesn't make it a monopoly of force.

Monopoly of force, you say? Should we have several armed groups in each city, fighting each other for trade and resources? I'll call my group the Bloods, you can call yours the Crips, and I bet we'll have a peaceful, stable society.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

This is a horrifically racist statement to make.

Because, apparently, the vast number of attested societies in the ethnographic record that had no such institutions in place don't count as "human civilization."

replace civilization with states, and not only does the racism disappear but so does your critique.

They're so closely associated they might as well be synonymous anyways.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Mesopotamia is where formal law was invented, in 3000 BC.
Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the code of hammurabi.
And other than mesopotamia, up until the Christian era there were still cultures all over the world using polycentric legal systems.

Never mind that the code of Hammurabi was made IN Mesopotamia. Or that the code of Hammurabi WAS organized law, or that Civilization sprouted in Mesopotamia 2000 years earlier than you said.

What the fuck?
I am sure that I said that mesopotamia is where formal law was invented, namely the code of hammurabi, I didn't say anywhere that it isn't formal law, and by the way, I did not say anything about when civilization sprouted in Mesopotamia.

Damnit, you really do love straw men.

[Frisivisia]

Never mind that the code of Hammurabi was made IN Mesopotamia. Or that the code of Hammurabi WAS organized law, or that Civilization sprouted in Mesopotamia 2000 years earlier than you said.

What the fuck?
I am sure that I said that mesopotamia is where formal law was invented, namely the code of hammurabi, I didn't say anywhere that it isn't formal law, and by the way, I did not say anything about when civilization sprouted in Mesopotamia.

Damnit, you really do love straw men.

You didn't say "namely, the code of Hammurabi", you said "Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the Code of Hammurabi.". Which is not the same thing.

[Moving Forward Inc]

Doesn't make it a monopoly of force.

Monopoly of force, you say? Should we have several armed groups in each city, fighting each other for trade and resources? I'll call my group the Bloods, you can call yours the Crips, and I bet we'll have a peaceful, stable society.

Nice naming, but I'm not an american remember?
And you are trying to imply that if there are two separate armed groups they cannot get along with each other?

WW2 proves this wrong.

[Sociobiology]

wrong

the Babylonians at least, had a police force, the Praetorian guards, and market place guards.
Mesopotamia likely had police even before they invented money.

Mesopotamia is where formal law was invented, in 3000 BC.

It is also where the state was invented, as well as the police force.

Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the code of hammurabi.

and you think those don't have police?

And other than mesopotamia, up until the Christian era there were still cultures all over the world using polycentric legal systems.

There still are. What does this have to do with my statement anyway?

[Frans]

Maybe give people control over business more, prevent people from getting rich and people from getting poor.

[Moving Forward Inc]

What the fuck?
I am sure that I said that mesopotamia is where formal law was invented, namely the code of hammurabi, I didn't say anywhere that it isn't formal law, and by the way, I did not say anything about when civilization sprouted in Mesopotamia.

Damnit, you really do love straw men.

You didn't say "namely, the code of Hammurabi", you said "Before then, most cultures in the middle east must have used polycentric forms of law similar to the Code of Hammurabi.". Which is not the same thing.

*The laws themselves, not the system*.
Also, you have the wrong sentence.