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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:13 am

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Mavorpen wrote:...You haven't explained anything.

see above

I did. Don't see what that has to do with gun control.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:14 am

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North Calaveras wrote:see above

I did. Don't see what that has to do with gun control.


this is epicly ridiculous

My point is that your more dangerous to yourself than gun-owners are to you, hence it's silly to institute more regulations on something that is a rare occurence in the first place.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:15 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I did. Don't see what that has to do with gun control.


this is epicly ridiculous

My point is that your more dangerous to yourself than gun-owners are to you, hence it's silly to institute more regulations on something that is a rare occurence in the first place.

So basically you don't care how many children die due to gun violence, as long as it isn't above a certain number.
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Postby Vortiaganica » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:16 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I did. Don't see what that has to do with gun control.


this is epicly ridiculous

My point is that your more dangerous to yourself than gun-owners are to you, hence it's silly to institute more regulations on something that is a rare occurence in the first place.


And al-Qaeda is more violent to the US than North Korea, hence let's start selling Americans all-expenses-included packages to North Korea because certainly they'll love it in comparison.

There are two arguments here - one in the quote, one in this post. One is more ridiculous than the other, hence only one should be discounted.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:17 am

Mavorpen wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
this is epicly ridiculous

My point is that your more dangerous to yourself than gun-owners are to you, hence it's silly to institute more regulations on something that is a rare occurence in the first place.

So basically you don't care how many children die, as long as it isn't above a certain number.


I do care, it's just not nearly enough to even warrant thinking about.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:19 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So basically you don't care how many children die, as long as it isn't above a certain number.


I do care, it's just not nearly enough to even warrant thinking about.

If you don't think about the children dying, it's impossible to care, no?

STILL don't see what this has to do with gun control though. We regulate cars.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:20 am

Mavorpen wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I do care, it's just not nearly enough to even warrant thinking about.

If you don't think about the children dying, it's impossible to care, no?

STILL don't see what this has to do with gun control though. We regulate cars.


Not really, most cars are build to exceed the speed limit the only regulation are those that are designed to help protect the user. We have speed limits yet cars are built to far exceed the law.

then again your probably one of those people who would be like " Then why don't we allow spikes on cars!"
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:21 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:If you don't think about the children dying, it's impossible to care, no?

STILL don't see what this has to do with gun control though. We regulate cars.


Not really, most cars are build to exceed the speed limit the only regulation are those that are designed to help protect the user. We have speed limits yet cars are built to far exceed the law.

then again your probably one of those people who would be like " Then why don't we allow spikes on cars!"

Sorry, but no. Nice try pretending speed limits are the only thing to cars.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:23 am

Mavorpen wrote:
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Not really, most cars are build to exceed the speed limit the only regulation are those that are designed to help protect the user. We have speed limits yet cars are built to far exceed the law.

then again your probably one of those people who would be like " Then why don't we allow spikes on cars!"

Sorry, but no. Nice try pretending speed limits are the only thing to cars.


I was being in general about it as in most regulations are designed for the users saftey in the event of a crash and there are no laws on how fast your car can go as long as it remains below the speed limit when your driving it's all good, then again im not an expert.
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Postby Renegade Babylonian Kings » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:23 am

Mavorpen wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Not really, most cars are build to exceed the speed limit the only regulation are those that are designed to help protect the user. We have speed limits yet cars are built to far exceed the law.

then again your probably one of those people who would be like " Then why don't we allow spikes on cars!"

Sorry, but no. Nice try pretending speed limits are the only thing to cars.


We were just saying in another thread a couple hours ago that the ages of 15 or 16 (or whatever in your country) is an important land mark because you can get your learners permit.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:26 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Sorry, but no. Nice try pretending speed limits are the only thing to cars.


I was being in general about it as in most regulations are designed for the users saftey in the event of a crash and there are no laws on how fast your car can go as long as it remains below the speed limit when your driving it's all good, then again im not an expert.

I don't know why you're so focused on speed limits. You're ADMITTING that I'm correct to say that we regulate cars, despite the fact that car related accidents wouldn't be a "large problem" by your standards.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:28 am

Mavorpen wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I was being in general about it as in most regulations are designed for the users saftey in the event of a crash and there are no laws on how fast your car can go as long as it remains below the speed limit when your driving it's all good, then again im not an expert.

I don't know why you're so focused on speed limits. You're ADMITTING that I'm correct to say that we regulate cars, despite the fact that car related accidents wouldn't be a "large problem" by your standards.


Of course we regulated cars to be safe for the user, just like we have safteys on firearms there done.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:28 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't know why you're so focused on speed limits. You're ADMITTING that I'm correct to say that we regulate cars, despite the fact that car related accidents wouldn't be a "large problem" by your standards.


Of course we regulated cars to be safe for the user, just like we have safteys on firearms there done.

So your argument that we don't need more gun control is silly.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:31 am

Mavorpen wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Of course we regulated cars to be safe for the user, just like we have safteys on firearms there done.

So your argument that we don't need more gun control is silly.


I'm for sensible regulation, not retarded regulation. Sensible regulation being having a saftey on the weapon to protect the user from firing on accident.

plus we already have these things in place.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:33 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So your argument that we don't need more gun control is silly.


I'm for sensible regulation, not retarded regulation. Sensible regulation being having a saftey on the weapon to protect the user from firing on accident.

Then I have no idea why you're against Obama on gun control.
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Postby Renegade Babylonian Kings » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:34 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't know why you're so focused on speed limits. You're ADMITTING that I'm correct to say that we regulate cars, despite the fact that car related accidents wouldn't be a "large problem" by your standards.


Of course we regulated cars to be safe for the user, just like we have safteys on firearms there done.


And one of those regulations isn't a license, an exam, some non-zero training, etc, depending on country?

No, the strongest distinction is that the Japanese don't make the best guns.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:35 am

Mavorpen wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I'm for sensible regulation, not retarded regulation. Sensible regulation being having a saftey on the weapon to protect the user from firing on accident.

Then I have no idea why you're against Obama on gun control.


Because they are doing it in reaction to a shooting, it's one massive knee-jerk reaction and people act like this country sufferes from terrible school shootings when in reality the shooting are extremley rare.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:36 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Then I have no idea why you're against Obama on gun control.


Because they are doing it in reaction to a shooting, it's one massive knee-jerk reaction and people act like this country sufferes from terrible school shootings when in reality the shooting are extremley rare.

No, they aren't doing it in reaction to a shooting. They are doing it in reaction to multiple shootings that are happening in increasing numbers. If the number of car accidents was steadily increasing and getting worse every time, no one would be lobbying against rethinking our automobile regulations.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:38 am

Mavorpen wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Because they are doing it in reaction to a shooting, it's one massive knee-jerk reaction and people act like this country sufferes from terrible school shootings when in reality the shooting are extremley rare.

No, they aren't doing it in reaction to a shooting. They are doing it in reaction to multiple shootings that are happening in increasing numbers. If the number of car accidents was steadily increasing and getting worse every time, no one would be lobbying against rethinking our automobile regulations.


Of course, this isn't being used as a politcal platform, who am I kidding, anti-gun politicans would never do that after a tragedy...
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Postby Vortiaganica » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:39 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, they aren't doing it in reaction to a shooting. They are doing it in reaction to multiple shootings that are happening in increasing numbers. If the number of car accidents was steadily increasing and getting worse every time, no one would be lobbying against rethinking our automobile regulations.


Of course, this isn't being used as a politcal platform, who am I kidding, anti-gun politicans would never do that after a tragedy...


What does that have to do with the accuracy or inaccuracy of the points they are trying to raise?
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North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, they aren't doing it in reaction to a shooting. They are doing it in reaction to multiple shootings that are happening in increasing numbers. If the number of car accidents was steadily increasing and getting worse every time, no one would be lobbying against rethinking our automobile regulations.


Of course, this isn't being used as a politcal platform, who am I kidding, anti-gun politicans would never do that after a tragedy...

Please explain how you discuss gun policy without invoking politics. I'll be waiting.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:41 am

Vortiaganica wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Of course, this isn't being used as a politcal platform, who am I kidding, anti-gun politicans would never do that after a tragedy...


What does that have to do with the accuracy or inaccuracy of the points they are trying to raise?


They aren't raising any valid points they are just making noise, that's all this is just a bunch of noise while they hide behind the dead children to push their agenda and say guns are bad. Liberals have a always thought guns are bad(dosn't make sense to me why they do, kind of goes against there name)

besides dictators ban firearms as well and I doubt they did it for "public safety"
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:42 am

North Calaveras wrote:
They aren't raising any valid points they are just making noise, that's all this is just a bunch of noise while they hide behind the dead children to push their agenda and say guns are bad. Liberals have a always thought guns are bad(dosn't make sense to me why they do, kind of goes against there name)

Background checks isn't a valid point? Please tell me you're joking.
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Postby North Calaveras » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:43 am

Mavorpen wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
They aren't raising any valid points they are just making noise, that's all this is just a bunch of noise while they hide behind the dead children to push their agenda and say guns are bad. Liberals have a always thought guns are bad(dosn't make sense to me why they do, kind of goes against there name)

Background checks isn't a valid point? Please tell me you're joking.


Who said anything about background checks? my whole argument is against regulating the firearms themselves.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:46 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Background checks isn't a valid point? Please tell me you're joking.


Who said anything about background checks? my whole argument is against regulating the firearms themselves.

Nice backpedaling. You made the following statement:"They aren't raising any valid points they are just making noise." Last time I checked, background checks is a point that they have made.
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