Germany To Ban Far-Right Political Party

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

Lawmakers in Berlin have been given the green light to file a complaint with the country's highest court seeking to ban the far-right National Democratic Party (NPD) following a Friday vote by Germany's upper legislative chamber, the Bundesrat, on the issue.

The approval of the legal bid to ban the right-wing extremist party comes after governors of the 16 states had already agreed on supporting the measure earlier this month. They recommended that the Bundesrat, which represents Germany's 16 states, do the same.

"We are convinced that the NPD is unconstitutional," said Christine Lieberknecht, the governor of the eastern state of Thuringia and a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU), who added that the far-right party was aggressively pursuing its goals.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 72969.html

Opinions?

Mine? I don't think it's a terrible idea, but it does increase the risk of them organizing underground.

How dare people vote for something other than the approved, mainstream (and useless) political parties?

*gasp*

How dare they?

Perhaps instead of acting to squish this "NDP", the powers-that-are in Germany could instead sit up & take note that they're losing their connection to the German electorate and do something about it. But that would require upsetting their comfy neo-liberal corporate gravy-trains, so we all know that's not going to happen. Instead, they'll sit there and continue to use the law as a bludgeon against anyone who doesn't conform to their lovely little setup.

And here I thought I'd never see NC advocate for a right-wing party which would happily exterminate gays just like him solely based on "derp derp fuck the mainstream lulz derp".

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

How dare people vote for something other than the approved, mainstream (and useless) political parties?

*gasp*

How dare they?

Perhaps instead of acting to squish this "NDP", the powers-that-are in Germany could instead sit up & take note that they're losing their connection to the German electorate and do something about it. But that would require upsetting their comfy neo-liberal corporate gravy-trains, so we all know that's not going to happen. Instead, they'll sit there and continue to use the law as a bludgeon against anyone who doesn't conform to their lovely little setup.

And here I thought I'd never see NC advocate for a right-wing party which would happily exterminate him and all others like him solely based on "derp derp fuck the mainstream lulz derp".

I thought that too. Regrettably not.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

And here I thought I'd never see NC advocate for a right-wing party which would happily exterminate him and all others like him solely based on "derp derp fuck the mainstream lulz derp".

I thought that too. Regrettably not.

He might as well advocate for One Nation or whatever that crazy right-wing Australian party's called because hey at least they're not part of the MAINSTREAM right guys?

[Euronion]

That's genuinely disgusting. Using Martin Niemoeller's poem, composed inside Sachsenhausen, to try and defend a group of Neo-Nazis whose party explicitly goes against the German constitution and many of whose leaders are convicted criminals. Remind me again of what the BRD's planning to do here. Is it planning to cart off NPD members to concentration camps and work them to death or shoot them? No, it fucking well isn't, and your appropriation of an anti-Nazi poem written inside the heart of Nazi Germany when the author was imprisoned to leap to the defence of the ideological descendants of Niemoeller's imprisoners is just sick.

It's not even disgusting, it's just pathetic and intellectually dishonest.

No it's not dishonest at all, the only dishonesty here is your own. Banning Communists, Banning Fascists, Banning Socialists, Banning Capitalists. You seem to be biased towards against this political party. If their leaders have committed crimes then they should be punished, this does not however justify the banning of an entire political party. It's like saying just because Bill Clinton had and affair and Andrew Jackson violated a Supreme Court order that the Democratic Party should be banned. You are taking the actions of individuals and judging that all the members of said party are criminals and therefore the party should be banned. You seem to be one of those people who go by the philosophy of "You can agree with me or you can be silenced." I do not agree with fascists by any stretch nor the Nazis but there is no difference between banning political parties in 1934 and banning political parties in 2012. Allowing a party to be banned for the actions of a few inside the party, is leaving the door wide open to the party in power, banning all opposition. To pretend this is anything different than silencing a group of people for their beliefs because you do not agree with them is pathetic and intellectually dishonest.

[Vredlandia]

What would banning them as a political party actually do? Would the NPD thereafter be considered a criminal organisation? Could one be imprisoned for membership in the NPD? Or would they just no longer be an official, taxpayer supported party? Could a banned NPD just run candidates as independent out of their own pockets?

They couldn't get voted anymore and woudln't receive taxpayer support (which are a few million euros every year!). As the party would be dissolved, you couldn't be thrown into prison for being a member of it.

[Choronzon]

If we ban these parties then their ideas will just go away right?

[Forster Keys]

I thought that too. Regrettably not.

He might as well advocate for One Nation or whatever that crazy right-wing Australian party's called because hey at least they're not part of the MAINSTREAM right guys?

Or he could just be against the banning of political parties by principal...

[Vredlandia]

For anybody interested in the reason the party shall be banned:

An organization that killed several people (mostly foreigners and onne police officer) has been proven to be far-right extremists and they have been in contact with the NPD and some of their highest members.

[Xsyne]

So the Machtergreifung was bad, but the Holocaust was A-OK.

Nice priorities.

So the Machtergreifung was illegal, but the holocaust was legal.

Generally speaking, anything that you get hanged for isn't legal.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

He might as well advocate for One Nation or whatever that crazy right-wing Australian party's called because hey at least they're not part of the MAINSTREAM right guys?

Or he could just be against the banning of political parties by principal...

You'll find I'm not particularly sympathetic to a right-wing party, which advocates an ideology that necessitates banning all opposition parties, getting banned itself...

[Ende]

Yes, let's ban parties we don't like.

I'm sure that's a fantastic idea and that it would be fine if we applied it in other countries, right, guys?

[Crata]

Yes, let's ban parties we don't like.

That's not the reason. If you read the thread, you'd know that the party is supposed to banned for violating the Constitutiton.

[Ende]

Yes, let's ban parties we don't like.

That's not the reason. If you read the thread, you'd know that the party is supposed to banned for violating the Constitutiton.

Banning the party isn't going to really do anything, though. It's totally going to make the ideas behind it go away, right?

It just seems like a stupid thing to do.

[Novaya Tselinoyarsk]

That's not the reason. If you read the thread, you'd know that the party is supposed to banned for violating the Constitutiton.

Banning the party isn't going to really do anything, though. It's totally going to make the ideas behind it go away, right?

It just seems like a stupid thing to do.

It strips it of public funding, which is a good enough reason for me.

[Hesse]

So much for "democracy" eh?

Banning the party isn't going to affect too much. The party already has many government spies, and I do question whether or not the party is controlled by the government. Also, skinheads happen to be popular within the party, which doesn't help its image.

Might as well ban it, it'd help us (the far-right) even more. This would prove how "democratic" Germany is, and would also allow the far-right in Germany to reform into a more effective party without skinheads dominating.

[Indira]

Banning them is ironically in itself antithetical to democracy.

I've barely got the energy to do more than that.

How is banning parties that violate the German Constitution and are essentially criminal, as well as being inherently anti-democratic, an anti-democratic idea?

Because democracy is supposed to allow you the opportunity to vote for who you see fit. If they were ever to become a serious threat to the existing system, then it has already failed. And banning them simply acts as a means of drawing attention to them

[Threlizdun]

The NDP is an utterly vile organization. It's existence in the 21st century is an enormously depressing affair. However, I cannot sanction banning an organization simply for holding disgusting beliefs.

[Von Halder]

For the first one, I have written Hard-line communism... do you really think only stalin has forgotten what communism was about??

Stalin was not a communist.

what do you think about the Hungarian Revolution of 1956??

A brave attempt to make Hungary an actual communist society. The fact that the Red Army went in and murdered everybody was outrageous and a tragedy.

Stalin did not take part in that and still the Red Army murdered a lot of people..

Because they didn't want Hungary to actually be communist.

For the second, tell me: when was the most prosperous period (from a merely economical point of view) for Italy and Germany??

The Wirtschaftswunder and the Italian economic miracle.

And the last one: the highway in Germany were all planned by Nazis,

Nope. Laerod already busted this bullshit myth.

in Italy the fascist had reclaimed huge amount of land from marsh (Littoria/Latina etc),

Which they did fuck all with.

Mussolini was the one that introducted pensions and benefits for families with a lot of children.. is it so negative??

Yes. The fascists led Italy into a war that destroyed it, and were shit at economics.

Oh, so Stalin was not a communist?? I tought he was the General Secretary of the CPSU, wich definetly make him a communist; surely not a true one, lke Lenin was but hell, he came to power, didn't he? if you want another example let's take Mao, was he a communist?? He has caused a civil war in his country (just like communist has done in Russia) and when he assumed the power he promoted his Great Leap Forward for the sake of the people, not to spoke of the cultural Revolution.. great results for China...

I asked the most prosperous period for all Germany, not just for a part of it: in west germany things were great also considering the fact that usa and the marhsall plan had provided west germany more than 2,5 billions of dollars; another thing is the fact that there were not a true crisis like the one of 1929 and following years, there was "just" to rebuild what war had destroyed; last were is the heart of German industry?? in the Ruhr?? wich is near the border of france.. in east Germany the economy was so great??

Oh yes, so autobahn were not nazis?? Sure, the idea was of the Weimar republic but until Hitler came to power (1933) there were only 108 km of active highway and then.. in the first year of nazi government there were 1080 km, with the creation of more than 400 thousands work place, in a period of great economical crisis (Great Depression)..

Last, Mussolini was a great man and if he allied with germany it was only USA/UK/ their allies fault: every contry in the world (except maybe USA wich had protectorate) had a colonial empire, except for Germany; when Italy tried to conquer an indigenous territory (Etiopia), all western contry actuated embargos and economical sanctions against it, except for germany.. he was obliged to allies with the only contry that kept friendly sentiment for italy in the entire world.. please, save patetical complaint about war crime, use of gas etc.. USA and the other western countries has commited them more than a few times but were never recognised since they were the "winner"

[Farnhamia]

Stalin was not a communist.



A brave attempt to make Hungary an actual communist society. The fact that the Red Army went in and murdered everybody was outrageous and a tragedy.



Because they didn't want Hungary to actually be communist.



The Wirtschaftswunder and the Italian economic miracle.



Nope. Laerod already busted this bullshit myth.



Which they did fuck all with.



Yes. The fascists led Italy into a war that destroyed it, and were shit at economics.

Oh, so Stalin was not a communist?? I tought he was the General Secretary of the CPSU, wich definetly make him a communist; surely not a true one, lke Lenin was but hell, he came to power, didn't he? if you want another example let's take Mao, was he a communist?? He has caused a civil war in his country (just like communist has done in Russia) and when he assumed the power he promoted his Great Leap Forward for the sake of the people, not to spoke of the cultural Revolution.. great results for China...

I asked the most prosperous period for all Germany, not just for a part of it: in west germany things were great also considering the fact that usa and the marhsall plan had provided west germany more than 2,5 billions of dollars; another thing is the fact that there were not a true crisis like the one of 1929 and following years, there was "just" to rebuild what war had destroyed; last were is the heart of German industry?? in the Ruhr?? wich is near the border of france.. in east Germany the economy was so great??

Oh yes, so autobahn were not nazis?? Sure, the idea was of the Weimar republic but until Hitler came to power (1933) there were only 108 km of active highway and then.. in the first year of nazi government there were 1080 km, with the creation of more than 400 thousands work place, in a period of great economical crisis (Great Depression)..

Last, Mussolini was a great man and if he allied with germany it was only USA/UK/ their allies fault: every contry in the world (except maybe USA wich had protectorate) had a colonial empire, except for Germany; when Italy tried to conquer an indigenous territory (Etiopia), all western contry actuated embargos and economical sanctions against it, except for germany.. he was obliged to allies with the only contry that kept friendly sentiment for italy in the entire world.. please, save patetical complaint about war crime, use of gas etc.. USA and the other western countries has commited them more than a few times but were never recognised since they were the "winner"

It was okay for Mussolini to attack an African nation with a government and a very long history, and no one should have said anything? No one should have said anything because, look, it drove him into the arms of Hitler? That's the silliest thing I've heard today.

[Laerod]

If we ban these parties then their ideas will just go away right?

No, but they will no longer be able to fund their crimes with taxpayer money.

[Yankee Empire]

Gotta love the Liberal Hypocrisy.

Of course their the first to talk about how evil us more militaristic, Order loving Authoritarian types are.

Until a party comes around they believe is "too differant" from the "norm" and potentially dangerous.

But of course they won't outright say they distrust future voters ability to choose "correctly".

Because restricting freedoms for any reason is bad... unless of course they aren't enough in line with your beliefs of course...

[Laerod]

Oh yes, so autobahn were not nazis?? Sure, the idea was of the Weimar republic but until Hitler came to power (1933) there were only 108 km of active highway and then.. in the first year of nazi government there were 1080 km, with the creation of more than 400 thousands work place, in a period of great economical crisis (Great Depression)..

Ah, this thing again. Yes, indeed there were very few kilometers of Autobahn until the Nazis took power, for one very obvious reason: The NSDAP and KPD blocked funding for them. Also you got the year wrong. In the first year of Nazi leadership there were less than 108 km. Same for the second year. At the end of the third year (1936), the Autobahns reached an impressive 1087 km. Also 400 000? Try 60 000. And a period of great economical crisis? The Autobahn is a pretty good indicator that that argument doesn't hold water: For all it's claims of putting Germans to work, the Autobahn projects were always lacking in manpower because people were already finding jobs elsewhere. German recovery started in 1931-32, with unemployment steadily dropping as of 1933.

[Laerod]

Gotta love the Liberal Hypocrisy.

Of course their the first to talk about how evil us more militaristic, Order loving Authoritarian types are.

Until a party comes around they believe is "too differant" from the "norm" and potentially dangerous.

But of course they won't outright say they distrust future voters ability to choose "correctly".

Because restricting freedoms for any reason is bad... unless of course they aren't enough in line with your beliefs of course...8)

Liberal? You mean Conservative.

[Nazi Flower Power]

So much for "democracy" eh?

Banning the party isn't going to affect too much. The party already has many government spies, and I do question whether or not the party is controlled by the government. Also, skinheads happen to be popular within the party, which doesn't help its image.

Might as well ban it, it'd help us (the far-right) even more. This would prove how "democratic" Germany is, and would also allow the far-right in Germany to reform into a more effective party without skinheads dominating.

Germany does this shit all the time... It's not some revolutionary new thing that's going to reshape German politics. This sort of interference with the democratic process has gone on since the Weimar Republic. It's not going to cause some public outrage that helps the far-right. It's just Germany being Germany.

I don't know why the Germans think this is how you are supposed to run a country, but as long as they're peaceful, I don't really care that much. They can figure it out for themselves.

[Eirenia]

Gotta love the Liberal Hypocrisy.

Of course their the firs to talk about how evil us more militaistic, order Loving Authoritarian types are.

Until party comes around they believe is "too differant" from the "norm" and potentially dangerous.

But of course they won't outright say they distrust future voters ability to choose "correctly".

Because Authoritarianism is bad...unless you don''t call it that....

State money should not go to people who want minority groups put to death.