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Otherton Island wrote:I think this is rather undemocratic. It is a dangerous slippery slope when a government can outlaw ideologies they don't like.

Cvtopia wrote:Freedom of speech is universal, no matter how hateful or disgusting the speech is.

Cvtopia wrote:Freedom of speech is universal, no matter how hateful or disgusting the speech is.

Otherton Island wrote:

Cvtopia wrote:Freedom of speech is universal, no matter how hateful or disgusting the speech is.

Cvtopia wrote:Freedom of speech is universal, no matter how hateful or disgusting the speech is.

Racism and cultural discrimination continue to be severe problems which endanger social peace in a diverse society. Violence and intimidation due to heritage, religion or culture are inacceptable in all instances. Therefore, we must oppose racism and xenophobia in any form, just as all other ideologies of hate directed against particular groups. Social Darwinist ideologies, which depict people of certain origins as naturally superior, have been scientifically refuted and are incompatible with the values and goals of the Pirate Party, just like those ideologies which justify a „clash of cultures“ by stating that certain social groups have collective hegemonic aspirations. Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are examples of such ideologies. Here we must not only focus on the political far-right; we must also oppose prejudice and intolerance at the heart of society: everyday racism, latent anti-Semitic stereotypes and the emerging trend of Islamophobia. The Pirate Party wants to support campaigns and initiatives aimed at improving the understanding between cultures and ideologies, reducing prejudice and promoting social cohesion. We also support campaigns which oppose activities of the extreme political right and help people to exit these types of social circles.

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:

Otherton Island wrote:

So you want the German Constitution to be amended to allow antidemocratic, violent and racist parties to be legalised?

I seem to remember that happening in the Weimar era.

Bad shit happened as a consequence.

Zyx wrote:If you are in favor of democracy, then you should be against this.

Crata wrote:

Cvtopia wrote:Freedom of speech is universal, no matter how hateful or disgusting the speech is.

I assume you're a member or supporter of the Piratenpartei Deutschland (Pirate Party of Germany).
I know the Piratenpartei is all about freedom of speech, but even they know limits in that field.

Racism and cultural discrimination continue to be severe problems which endanger social peace in a diverse society. Violence and intimidation due to heritage, religion or culture are inacceptable in all instances. Therefore, we must oppose racism and xenophobia in any form, just as all other ideologies of hate directed against particular groups. Social Darwinist ideologies, which depict people of certain origins as naturally superior, have been scientifically refuted and are incompatible with the values and goals of the Pirate Party, just like those ideologies which justify a „clash of cultures“ by stating that certain social groups have collective hegemonic aspirations. Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are examples of such ideologies. Here we must not only focus on the political far-right; we must also oppose prejudice and intolerance at the heart of society: everyday racism, latent anti-Semitic stereotypes and the emerging trend of Islamophobia. The Pirate Party wants to support campaigns and initiatives aimed at improving the understanding between cultures and ideologies, reducing prejudice and promoting social cohesion. We also support campaigns which oppose activities of the extreme political right and help people to exit these types of social circles.

http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Parteiprog ... nst_racism

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:

Zyx wrote:If you are in favor of democracy, then you should be against this.

If you're in favour of democracy, then you should be against banning anti-democratic parties whose hierarchies are largely composed of criminals and whose basic principles violate the German Constitution?

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:

Zyx wrote:If you are in favor of democracy, then you should be against this.

If you're in favour of democracy, then you should be against banning anti-democratic parties whose hierarchies are largely composed of criminals and whose basic principles violate the German Constitution?

Zottistan wrote:

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
If you're in favour of democracy, then you should be against banning anti-democratic parties whose hierarchies are largely composed of criminals and whose basic principles violate the German Constitution?

Yes. Democrats don't ban parties. Arrest the criminals, sure, but anything else is not democratic.

Illestia wrote:

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
If you're in favour of democracy, then you should be against banning anti-democratic parties whose hierarchies are largely composed of criminals and whose basic principles violate the German Constitution?

Yes because that's actually what a democracy is about. If ideas that differ from the norm, no matter how stupid, are outlawed it's not a democracy.

Besides: The laws still apply, so every partaking in illegal activity by members of the party can still be prosecuted.

And on a sidenote: banning the NPD might very well just make them martyrs in the eyes of the far right and cause certain right groups to escalate their methods, leading to more violence.


Personally i think that the only purpose of the motion to ban them is to distract from the horrible failure in the solving and possibly prevention of the NSU murders.

Kazarogkai wrote:Banning a political party simply for you dont agree with the,

I may not agree with them but that doesn't mean I have a right to persecute them

This can lead them down the path of a single party state and that is a path one should avoid at all cost.

Trotskylvania wrote:

Zottistan wrote:Yes. Democrats don't ban parties. Arrest the criminals, sure, but anything else is not democratic.

The party in question, by its very nature and expressly stated ideology, is a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the republic and establish a totalitarian state.

Herskerstad wrote:Cleverly done by Merkel, as her party being the mainstream right will probably absorb the fringe right votes on top of it.

It's the left which should be worried about this, as the party banned only carried ceremonial weight. If it looked to become a genuine contender then there would be an issue, but there's no way such would occur.

Kazarogkai wrote:Banning a political party simply for you dont agree with the, denys them the right to assembly.

Zottistan wrote:

Trotskylvania wrote:The party in question, by its very nature and expressly stated ideology, is a criminal conspiracy to overthrow the republic and establish a totalitarian state.

What do you mean "by it's stated ideology"? If all they've done is said they should rebel, let them. If they've directly said that they are going to overthrow the government, or there's evidence to suggest they'll try, that's different.

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:If the government wants to prevent far-right ideologies from taking root, the better approach would be to tackle the core of the problem, rather than stifling them altogether. I thought Germany of all countries would have learned that.

Trotskylvania wrote:

Zottistan wrote:What do you mean "by it's stated ideology"? If all they've done is said they should rebel, let them. If they've directly said that they are going to overthrow the government, or there's evidence to suggest they'll try, that's different.

They have. It's in the party's constitution. They are unreconstructed Nazis, and have made it quite clear they intend to abolish democracy if they ever take power.