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Ralkovia wrote:

Varijnland wrote:I'd like to hear that too. God, he's just like my knobhead brother.

My friend, please refrain from insults. I personally dislike it. I agree that Zaras's political premises are screwed up, but on a personal level I don't think he's ignorant or stupid. He carries a different opinion than me. And I respect it.

Well good for you I supose. He doesn't even allow others to have opinions.

Varijnland wrote:

Ralkovia wrote:
My friend, please refrain from insults. I personally dislike it. I agree that Zaras's political premises are screwed up, but on a personal level I don't think he's ignorant or stupid. He carries a different opinion than me. And I respect it.

Well good for you I supose. He doesn't even allow others to have opinions.

Hey, Var, remind me where I've advocated that people be banned from having different opinions? Ever?

I don't remember the part where I told people YOU CAN'T HAVE OPINIONS! I remember the part where I tell people I think their opinions are dumb. I forget the part where I said that they should be punished for it. Probably because it didn't happen.

Archlemeinge wrote:

Zaras wrote:
Becuz clearly straight people can't be pro-LGBT rights! No! They have to be gay, because why else would they care about LGBT people being treated like humans!

Please, don't stop projecting your ignorance onto me. It's fun!

I know right!

Achievement Gained: Sarcasm Recognition Fail. +10 points.

Zaras wrote:

Varijnland wrote:Well good for you I supose. He doesn't even allow others to have opinions.

Hey, Var, remind me where I've advocated that people be banned from having different opinions? Ever?

I don't remember the part where I told people YOU CAN'T HAVE OPINIONS! I remember the part where I tell people I think their opinions are dumb.

Var.....that's cute.

Zaras wrote:

Ralkovia wrote:Please tell me more about how I don't know specifically what I know. I really would like to hear you justify Shariah Law Advocates.

Except, y'know, I don't. Religious law advocates are fucking idiots I don't want to waste my time with. Religion has no business being in the universal law of a state.

Let me just get this straight.

I said that if we're going to start arresting people over political objectives, we'd have to arrest Islamists advocating shariah law.

You said I didn't know what shariah law was. Which implies that you disagreed with the premise that Islamists advocating shariah law wouldn't break this new law.

I asked you to tell me more about how I didn't know what Shariah law was or how it doesn't break the constitution.

And now you're saying "I don't advocate it. And I don't waste my time learning what the religious law advocates are saying."

You do realize the fact that you just said "You don't know what shariah law is" and "I don't waste my learning what the advocates are saying" are pretty contradictory.

I on the other hand understand what they are advocating. Both Sunni and a number of Shi'a sects.

Varijnland wrote:

Zaras wrote:
Hey, Var, remind me where I've advocated that people be banned from having different opinions? Ever?

I don't remember the part where I told people YOU CAN'T HAVE OPINIONS! I remember the part where I tell people I think their opinions are dumb.

Var.....that's cute.

I'm surprised people haven't tried to abbreviate my name, honestly. I'm sure they'd have plenty of abbreviations to choose from, like "doucheclown", "asstable" or "fuckbint".

Risottia wrote:

It has to be based on public and democratically controlled ownership in services of general interest, of the social infrastructure, in the power industry and in the financial sector. We want the democratic socialisation of further structurally relevant areas on the basis of state, municipal, co-operative or work-force ownership.

How are they going to achieve this without violation of property rights?

That's right, they don't. I frankly don't see much difference between Die Linke and NPD, with the exception that Die Linke actually poses a threat to democratic society while NPD is a small group of people ranting about nationalism.

Back to topic, people.

Zaras wrote:

Varijnland wrote:Var.....that's cute.

I'm surprised people haven't tried to abbreviate my name, honestly. I'm sure they'd have plenty of abbreviations to choose from, like "doucheclown", "asstable" or "fuckbint".

Don't worry, I love you, doucheclown.

Ralkovia wrote:I said that if we're going to start arresting people over political objectives, we'd have to arrest Islamists advocating shariah law.

You said I didn't know what shariah law was. Which implies that you disagreed with the premise that Islamists advocating shariah law wouldn't break this new law.

As if that's the first time I've worded things poorly. I thought you were used to that part...

I asked you to tell me more about how I didn't know what Shariah law was or how it doesn't break the constitution.

And now you're saying "I don't advocate it. And I don't waste my time learning what the religious law advocates are saying."

I said I don't want to waste my time with them. Difference.

You do realize the fact that you just said "You don't know what shariah law is" and "I don't waste my learning what the advocates are saying" are pretty contradictory.

And you do realise that the guy writing this is Zaras, right? Are you even surprised anymore at my capacity for having my brain run before my typing skills? I'm pretty sure that was well-established by now.

Hippostania wrote:How are they going to achieve this without violation of property rights?

Purchasing the property.

I frankly don't see much difference between Die Linke and NPD, with the exception that Die Linke actually poses a threat to democratic society while NPD is a small group of people ranting about nationalism.

Says a lot about your wrongness, it does.

Archlemeinge wrote:Multiculturalism ruins culture.

1.Laws are part of culture.
2.The constitution is a law.
3.Clearly, the NPD has a different culture when it comes to laws.
4.So, the German State can't allow NPD because it would ruin that part of German culture which is the German constitution. DOWN WITH MULTICULTURALISM!

That was the argument you were trying to make, right?

Kewl, didn't know that was possible.

Hippostania wrote:

Risottia wrote:

How are they going to achieve this without violation of property rights?

That's right, they don't. I frankly don't see much difference between Die Linke and NPD, with the exception that Die Linke actually poses a threat to democratic society while NPD is a small group of people ranting about nationalism.

Article 14 II GG:
" (2) Property entails obligations. Its use shall also serve the public good."

Hippostania wrote:How are they going to achieve this without violation of property rights?

Does "eminent domain" ring a bell?

Crata wrote:Article 14 II GG:
" (2) Property entails obligations. Its use shall also serve the public good."

^this.

Hippostania wrote:That's right, they don't.

That's wrong, they can and now you even know how.

Hippostania wrote:I frankly don't see much difference between Die Linke and NPD,

I bet you don't.

well if you're going to ban any of them, right wing extremists are the best ones to do so.

Zaras wrote:Purchasing the property.

Which would cost billions of euros. Where would they get the money? What if the companies don't want to sell their assets?

Zaras wrote:Says a lot about your wrongness, it does.

Left-wing violence is a considerable problem in Germany. While neonazis wave flags and shout slogans, Antifa scum beats people up and damages property.

Ralkovia wrote:

Zaras wrote:
Except, y'know, I don't. Religious law advocates are fucking idiots I don't want to waste my time with. Religion has no business being in the universal law of a state.

Let me just get this straight.

I said that if we're going to start arresting people over political objectives, we'd have to arrest Islamists advocating shariah law.

You said I didn't know what shariah law was. Which implies that you disagreed with the premise that Islamists advocating shariah law wouldn't break this new law.

I asked you to tell me more about how I didn't know what Shariah law was or how it doesn't break the constitution.

And now you're saying "I don't advocate it. And I don't waste my time learning what the religious law advocates are saying."

You do realize the fact that you just said "You don't know what shariah law is" and "I don't waste my learning what the advocates are saying" are pretty contradictory.

I on the other hand understand what they are advocating. Both Sunni and a number of Shi'a sects.

I think it's important to note the Shariah Law, like Islam itself, has as many different definitions as it does followers. As it happens, often it's the extremist Qutbist-style Islamists than get the most attention, and therefore, the minority gets to define the entire political movement.

Moderate Islamism is very similar in rhetoric to the Christian Democrat movements in Europe. I don't see why a Salafist, or Islamist party should be banned if the CDU is allowed to sprout their religious-influenced policies unmolested.

Risottia wrote:Does "eminent domain" ring a bell?

So, by violating property rights?

That's precisely what I thought!

Crata wrote:

Hippostania wrote:How are they going to achieve this without violation of property rights?

That's right, they don't. I frankly don't see much difference between Die Linke and NPD, with the exception that Die Linke actually poses a threat to democratic society while NPD is a small group of people ranting about nationalism.

Article 14 II GG:
" (2) Property entails obligations. Its use shall also serve the public good."

Just thought I would put this in here...

If I did not already know the source, I could easily assume that was an article from a Fascist platform, though perhaps they would have said "good of the Nation" rather than "the public good."

Zaras wrote:

Ralkovia wrote:
Multiculturalism certainly doesn't.

People who refuse to adapt to the ways of the old culture and add nothing to it ruins it.

Like those far-right loonies ranting about gay marriage, right?

Pretty much. The far-right is a separate culture that carries mostly destructive elements within it.

Risottia wrote:

Slavoland wrote:if anywhere right-wing parties should be banned that is in italy. the society has neverom properly gone from some doctrines. their president, a communist, dreams a "Italian dalmatia and istra". Zadar will never be zara again.

Ok, you're now officially debate-wise incompetent.

To only who shows who is stupid and incompete to debate is you with your ad hominem arguments.

Giorgio Napolitano said something that dalmatia should be colonised after it enters the EU few years ago, unfortunately I have no link on english. Gianfranco Finni is a prominent polititian who is also a fashist. Italy celebrates the 10th February as a day of mourning, it is annual when the Treaty of Paris is signed. Fashist parties are active in Italy and they have no attention to ban them.

There is also a anti-Slavic bias in Triest, etc. They should be thankful to the ex-Yugoslav republic for liberating them from fashism but instead the political establishment gives statements that Zadar, Rijeka and Dubrovnik are Italian.

And yes, Lega Nord is a racist party.

Hippostania wrote:

Risottia wrote:Does "eminent domain" ring a bell?

So, by violating property rights?

Eminent domain isn't a violation of property rights, as rights (in Germany) are defined by the BVer and by the ECHR, and both allow for eminent domain.

That's precisely what I thought!

Your thought may be a lot of things, but I would refrain from calling it "precise", Hippo.

Hippostania wrote:

Zaras wrote:Purchasing the property.

Which would cost billions of euros. Where would they get the money?

The same place they've already wasted billions of euros fixing East Germany from.

What if the companies don't want to sell their assets?

Their problem.

Left-wing violence is a considerable problem in Germany. While neonazis wave flags and shout slogans, Antifa scum beats people up and damages property.

Oh, "antifa scum". Isn't that cute.

Currently, the domestic intelligence agency classifies 767 people as "violent left-wing extremists." Most of them are younger than 26 years old and 84 percent of them are men.

Obvs, 767 people out of millions of Germans are a bigger problem than Hitler fanboys.