The whole EU is being brought down by three or four in particular, and Greece isn't willing to stop being so liberal in allowing early retirement and great amounts of Social Security to be running into them.
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by Lodricar » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:21 am
by Zaras » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:21 am
Trotskylvania wrote:Hippostania wrote:Eh, not really Hungarian opposition actually begged the West to intervene. They just wanted free and democratic elections and end to political repression organized by the socialists.
Because they naively thought that the West actually cared about freedom.
The official UN Special Committee on the Problem of Hungary report (1957) disagrees with your assessment. The report notes that the primary revolutionary force were the industrial workers of Hungary, who organized workers' councils in the industries, taking control of labor from the party apparatchiks for the express purpose of establishing a socialist economy free from party control (pp. 22). A new, anti-Soviet government was constituted by a coalition of four parties: Communist Party dissidents, the Social Democrats, the Independent Smallholders Party, and Petofi. The government "announced that the four parties were unanimously agreed to retain from the socialist achievements everything which could be used in a free, democratic and socialist country, in accordance with the will of the people" (pp. 24).
Zottistan wrote:Democracy does indeed allow for antidemocracy.
Censoring beliefs is fundementally undemocratic.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Zaras » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:22 am
Lodricar wrote:The whole EU is being brought down by three or four in particular, and Greece isn't willing to stop being so liberal in allowing early retirement and great amounts of Social Security to be running into them.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Trotskylvania » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:22 am
Hippostania wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:The Grundgesetz does not make the advocacy of the democratization/abolition of private property a criminal offense. They are free to advocate it all they want, just as the Free Democrats are free to advocate for the destruction of Germany's constitutionally enshrined welfare state.
The National Democrats, on the other hand, can be argued to be in violation of the Grundgesetz, because they are an anti-democratic Neo-Nazi party, the organization political advocacy of such is expressly banned by the Grundgesetz.
So advocation violation of certain rights is completely okay, but advocation of violation of some other rights is EEEEBULL!
Leftist logic...
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by Galloism » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:23 am
by Tmutarakhan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:24 am
by Conscentia » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:24 am
Zaras wrote:Conscentia wrote:See a mental health Doctor.
I'm pretty sure other people have better reasons to.
Someone with a broken leg may have a better reason to see a doctor than someone with broken finger. Doesn't mean the person with a broken finger shouldn't see a doctor.Thou art going beyond getting used to it. Thou art encouraging it, which is an absurd thing to do.
It's less encouraging it, and more being surprised when it doesn't happen. I'm already pretty absurd.
"Your should", in response to someone saying that they do not hate you, is encouraging it.Conscentia wrote:Have you?
Beyond writing that you've "said" thing on a text based forum, i've not perceived any evidence to suggest that you are all that strange.
Slip of the tongue.
You haven't seen enough of what I've written then. (I'd add "you haven't met me", but honestly, that's probably just luck.)
More like slip of the fingers...
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by Zottistan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:24 am
Zaras wrote:Zottistan wrote:Democracy does indeed allow for antidemocracy.
It worked so well for the Weimar Republic.Censoring beliefs is fundementally undemocratic.
Then why has it been done so often in the past? Why did Ireland have ridiculously draconian censorship? Why did the UK only abolish the censorship of theatre in the 1960s?
by Caninope » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:25 am
Risottia wrote:Galloism wrote:Have the communist and nazi political parties within the US caused our democracy to cease to exist?
How many times have the US nazis attempted openly anticonstitutional, antidemocratical political actions?
The US nazis seem quite tame if compared with their European counterparts.
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by Zaras » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:26 am
Conscentia wrote:Someone with a broken leg may have a better reason to see a doctor than someone with broken finger. Doesn't mean the person with a broken finger shouldn't see a doctor.
"Your should", in response to someone saying that they do not hate you, is encouraging it.
Zottistan wrote:Again, the point isn't whether or not it works. The point is that if it restricts the expression of opinions, it's not democratic.
And the reason the UK and Ireland had so much censorship is because they weren't fundementally democratic.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Nazi Germany Reborn » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:29 am
by Zaras » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:30 am
Nazi Germany Reborn wrote:>ban far-right political parties due to Nazism
>Nazism would've done the same to other parties
The irony...
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Uiiop » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:31 am
Nazi Germany Reborn wrote:>ban far-right political parties due to Nazism
>Nazism would've done the same to other parties
The irony...
by Zottistan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:31 am
Zaras wrote:Zottistan wrote:Again, the point isn't whether or not it works. The point is that if it restricts the expression of opinions, it's not democratic.
This isn't about restriction of opinions. There's nothing telling the Nazis they can't have their stupid opinions. This is about the fact that their party is being prosecuted for wanting to restrict everybody else's opinions.
Yeah. Thankfully they've gotten better since.
by Sulamalik » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:33 am
Zottistan wrote:Zaras wrote:
This isn't about restriction of opinions. There's nothing telling the Nazis they can't have their stupid opinions. This is about the fact that their party is being prosecuted for wanting to restrict everybody else's opinions.
What's wrong with them wanting to? If the people vote for them, the people want everybody else's opinions to be restricted, too. And if the people want it, democracy demands that the people get it, no matter how much it'll fuck things up.Yeah. Thankfully they've gotten better since.
I get that you're being sarcastic, but I don't see the punchline. Indeed they have gotten much better.
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by Zaras » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:36 am
Sulamalik wrote:Zottistan wrote:What's wrong with them wanting to? If the people vote for them, the people want everybody else's opinions to be restricted, too. And if the people want it, democracy demands that the people get it, no matter how much it'll fuck things up.
I get that you're being sarcastic, but I don't see the punchline. Indeed they have gotten much better.
I'd rather not have a tyranny by majority though.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Olivaero » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:36 am
Zottistan wrote:Zaras wrote:
This isn't about restriction of opinions. There's nothing telling the Nazis they can't have their stupid opinions. This is about the fact that their party is being prosecuted for wanting to restrict everybody else's opinions.
What's wrong with them wanting to? If the people vote for them, the people want everybody else's opinions to be restricted, too. And if the people want it, democracy demands that the people get it, no matter how much it'll fuck things up.
by Nazi Germany Reborn » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:36 am
by Zottistan » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:37 am
Sulamalik wrote:I'd rather not have a tyranny by majority though.
by Euronion » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:37 am
Thomas Paine wrote:"to argue with someone who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead"
by Zaras » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:37 am
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Zaras » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:38 am
See? Democracy allows for undemocratic beliefs.
Bythyrona wrote:Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.
Best post I've seen on NS since I've been here. :clap:
by Olivaero » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:38 am
Zottistan wrote:Sulamalik wrote:I'd rather not have a tyranny by majority though.
That's an undemocratic belief, as you're opposing the will of the people. I respect your right to hold undemocratic beliefs. That's a democratic belief, as I want the people to be exposed to your beliefs so the will of the people can be more accurately measured.
See? Democracy allows for undemocratic beliefs.
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