Germany To Ban Far-Right Political Party

[Ralkovia]

I don't. Doesn't matter what your opinions are, you're still a terrible person.

Fix'd.

Your insistence on not doing the same thing as so many other people who've had the misfortune of having to know me and disliking me is rather bizarre.

So you recognize your politics are terrible?

Don't know why you're so obsessed on being hated.

[Hippostania]

Indeed. In the first quarter of 2011, there were over 2000 offenses committed by left-wing militants, up 38% from 2010. I'd consider that a serious problem; much worse than some Hitler boys waving flags.

Worse than apparently 16k worth of offenses by political rightists?

Political violence by the right occurs more often than that by the left.

Right-wing crime statistics seem bigger because things that shouldn't even be crimes (like displaying a swastika) are classified as a crime.

[Kvatchdom]

Worse than apparently 16k worth of offenses by political rightists?

Political violence by the right occurs more often than that by the left.

Right-wing crime statistics seem bigger because things that shouldn't even be crimes (like displaying a swastika) are classified as a crime.

I don't trust that site for some reason.

[Esternial]

Worse than apparently 16k worth of offenses by political rightists?

Political violence by the right occurs more often than that by the left.

Right-wing crime statistics seem bigger because things that shouldn't even be crimes (like displaying a swastika) are classified as a crime.

Wow, brilliant source.

[Trotskylvania]

Mothafuckin' source. Oh, wait, you have none. Therefore, you're lying.

See their party programme.

They're advocating violation of property rights under the guise of "democratization", that people should be allowed to decide matters of private businessess and organizations that they have no business interfering with. Die Linke is a criminal organization, and in my opinion Die Linke and its Antifa goons are a much bigger threat to democracy than a bunch of nationalists who don't even have representation in the Bundestag.

The Grundgesetz does not make the advocacy of the democratization/abolition of private property a criminal offense. They are free to advocate it all they want, just as the Free Democrats are free to advocate for the destruction of Germany's constitutionally enshrined welfare state.

The National Democrats, on the other hand, can be argued to be in violation of the Grundgesetz, because they are an anti-democratic Neo-Nazi party, the organization political advocacy of such is expressly banned by the Grundgesetz.

[Conscentia]

I don't dislike you as a person

You should. You wouldn't be the first.

That's an odd thing to say.

[Ralkovia]

Infringement to political rights, so fuck this. Even if it is a violent group of Nazis.

It's unconstitutional, political rights don't mean jack shit if that party doesn't adhere to the constitution.

How can one change the constitution if its illegal to form a party to change the constitution.

[Zottistan]

Banning right-wing extremists seems a bit extreme right-wing.

[Zaras]

For the first one, I have written Hard-line communism... do you really think only stalin has forgotten what communism was about??

Stalin was not a communist.

what do you think about the Hungarian Revolution of 1956??

A brave attempt to make Hungary an actual communist society. The fact that the Red Army went in and murdered everybody was outrageous and a tragedy.

Stalin did not take part in that and still the Red Army murdered a lot of people..

Because they didn't want Hungary to actually be communist.

For the second, tell me: when was the most prosperous period (from a merely economical point of view) for Italy and Germany??

The Wirtschaftswunder and the Italian economic miracle.

And the last one: the highway in Germany were all planned by Nazis,

Nope. Laerod already busted this bullshit myth.

in Italy the fascist had reclaimed huge amount of land from marsh (Littoria/Latina etc),

Which they did fuck all with.

Mussolini was the one that introducted pensions and benefits for families with a lot of children.. is it so negative??

Yes. The fascists led Italy into a war that destroyed it, and were shit at economics.

[Ralkovia]

Banning right-wing extremists seems a bit extreme right-wing.

This is pretty much it.

Someone paraphrase that quote about staring at the abyss and the abyss staring back and call this thread done.

[Trotskylvania]

It's unconstitutional, political rights don't mean jack shit if that party doesn't adhere to the constitution.

How can one change the constitution if its illegal to form a party to change the constitution.

If you're goal is to establish a totalitarian state, which is essentially the only political advocacy that is banned by the German Basic Law, then I doubt you're seriously concerned about due process.

[Zaras]

Fix'd.

Your insistence on not doing the same thing as so many other people who've had the misfortune of having to know me and disliking me is rather bizarre.

So you recognize your politics are terrible?

Conclusion should be obvious: Zaras has self-loathing issues.

Don't know why you're so obsessed on being hated.

I wouldn't say it's obsessed. I'd say it's 'more might as well get used to it'.

You should. You wouldn't be the first.

That's an odd thing to say.

I've said plenty of weird things.

[Risottia]

Neonazis just wave some flags.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_ ... ed_Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_a ... ck_of_1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Ro ... chtenhagen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_G ... ntegration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalist_Front

Excuse me?

[Varijnland]

You should. You wouldn't be the first.

That's an odd thing to say.

No it's not. He's right.........for once.

[Hippostania]

Stop right there. Fascist fuckers destroy property, start fires and beat up people just the same. Remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_a ... ck_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... l-Sherbini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Ro ... chtenhagen

As do left-wingers, you want me to link you dozens of crimes caused by antifa scum? My point is that both parties are just as bad, and if you condemn the other you must condemn the other one as well.

It is one. But Germany has bigger problems than just that.

Like political repression that's taking place right now.

Good. Germany needs a shaking. But it would seem that the nationalists have done way more damage. Violence happens everywhere, especially when the youth get radical, and most usually, they're left-wing. Antifa is a left-wing organization against ethnic nationalism, and is no more criminal than Tea Party.

So you advocate violence and violation of laws? How left-wing of you!

And Tea Party holds peaceful rallies, they don't damage properly and clean up once they leave. Antifa means up beats up erryone and damages both public and private property. Antifa's asshattery means that you have to pay for the damage that they've caused.

And nope, Antifa is actually quite fascist themselves. Trying to repress opposing political views is fairly fasistic.

[Novaya Tselinoyarsk]

Antifa scumbags beat up innocent people and damage property. Neonazis.

Stop right there. Fascist fuckers destroy property, start fires and beat up people just the same. Remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_a ... ck_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... l-Sherbini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Ro ... chtenhagen

Hey, you were the one who claimed that neo-nazi crime (which usually consists of nothing more than using banned symbols) is a problem.

It is one. But Germany has bigger problems than just that.

I just showed you that left-wing violence is a much bigger problem when compared to right-wing violence.

Forgetting this? http://geocurrents.info/news-map/politi ... in-germany

To to mention it isn't just in Germany. To deny what the right extremists do and say the left is worse is not unexpected from Hippo, but definitely the stupidest thing he has claimed to date.

[Hippostania]

A brave attempt to make Hungary an actual communist society. The fact that the Red Army went in and murdered everybody was outrageous and a tragedy.

Eh, not really Hungarian opposition actually begged the West to intervene. They just wanted free and democratic elections and end to political repression organized by the socialists.

[Novaya Tselinoyarsk]

Stop right there. Fascist fuckers destroy property, start fires and beat up people just the same. Remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_a ... ck_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... l-Sherbini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Ro ... chtenhagen

As do left-wingers, you want me to link you dozens of crimes caused by antifa scum? My point is that both parties are just as bad, and if you condemn the other you must condemn the other one as well.

Bullshit, you were claiming the right extremists do not.

[Zaras]

That's an odd thing to say.

No it's not. He's right.........for once.

It's kind of hard for me to delude myself enough to pretend that I haven't given people so many reasons to dislike me.

As do left-wingers, you want me to link you dozens of crimes caused by antifa scum?

Tu quoque is not an argument.

My point is that both parties are just as bad,

And your point is stupid. Moving on.

Like political repression that's taking place right now.

Like the fact that you don't demonstrate much knowledge about Germany.

So you advocate violence and violation of laws? How left-wing of you!

All X Are Y =/= argument.

Trying to repress opposing political views is fairly fasistic.

Says the chief McCarthyite of NationStates. Ergo, you are fascistic yourself. QED.

[Risottia]

Stop right there. Fascist fuckers destroy property, start fires and beat up people just the same. Remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_a ... ck_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... l-Sherbini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Ro ... chtenhagen

As do left-wingers, you want me to link you dozens of crimes caused by antifa scum? My point is that both parties are just as bad,

Excuse me, exactly when "Antifa" was a party in Germany just like "NPD" is?

Bullshit, you were claiming the right extremists do not.

Y U HATE THE FREEDOM OF GOALPOSTS MOVEMENT?

[Trotskylvania]

So you advocate violence and violation of laws? How left-wing of you!

And Tea Party holds peaceful rallies, they don't damage properly and clean up once they leave. Antifa means up beats up erryone and damages both public and private property. Antifa's asshattery means that you have to pay for the damage that they've caused.

And nope, Antifa is actually quite fascist themselves. Trying to repress opposing political views is fairly fasistic.

Source this shit.

You've provided no evidence for any of this, and totally ignored the vast amount of right-wing violence in Germany and Europe at large, which has been met all too tepidly by national governments in Europe. Not surprising, because most post-war governments were filled with former fascists and fascist collaborators.

Even if Antifa were somehow as violent as the the fascists they oppose, the fact remains that they didn't start this shit. They're filling the breach that the government and police refuse to.

[Kvatchdom]

Stop right there. Fascist fuckers destroy property, start fires and beat up people just the same. Remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_a ... ck_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... l-Sherbini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Ro ... chtenhagen

As do left-wingers, you want me to link you dozens of crimes caused by antifa scum? My point is that both parties are just as bad, and if you condemn the other you must condemn the other one as well.

It is one. But Germany has bigger problems than just that.

Like political repression that's taking place right now.

Good. Germany needs a shaking. But it would seem that the nationalists have done way more damage. Violence happens everywhere, especially when the youth get radical, and most usually, they're left-wing. Antifa is a left-wing organization against ethnic nationalism, and is no more criminal than Tea Party.

So you advocate violence and violation of laws? How left-wing of you!

And Tea Party holds peaceful rallies, they don't damage properly and clean up once they leave. Antifa means up beats up erryone and damages both public and private property. Antifa's asshattery means that you have to pay for the damage that they've caused.

And nope, Antifa is actually quite fascist themselves. Trying to repress opposing political views is fairly fasistic.

Nope, I advocate shaking up an unfulfilled democracy.

I'd like to see proof of Antifa beating up everyone and damaging property.

How? I wouldn't allow totalitarians to win in Finland. Even if they'd be left-wing.

[Hippostania]

The Grundgesetz does not make the advocacy of the democratization/abolition of private property a criminal offense. They are free to advocate it all they want, just as the Free Democrats are free to advocate for the destruction of Germany's constitutionally enshrined welfare state.

The National Democrats, on the other hand, can be argued to be in violation of the Grundgesetz, because they are an anti-democratic Neo-Nazi party, the organization political advocacy of such is expressly banned by the Grundgesetz.

So advocation violation of certain rights is completely okay, but advocation of violation of some other rights is EEEEBULL!

Leftist logic...

[Zaras]

A brave attempt to make Hungary an actual communist society. The fact that the Red Army went in and murdered everybody was outrageous and a tragedy.

Eh, not really Hungarian opposition actually begged the West to intervene.

After the Soviets were already invading Hungary and murdering everyone. And the West couldn't really do anything to help.

They just wanted free and democratic elections and end to political repression organized by the socialists.

Not just.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demands_of ... es_of_1956

1.We demand the immediate evacuation of all Soviet troops, in conformity with the provisions of the Peace Treaty.
2.We demand the election by secret ballot of all Party members from top to bottom, and of new officers for the lower, middle and upper echelons of the Hungarian Workers Party. These officers shall convene a Party Congress as early as possible in order to elect a Central Committee.
3.A new Government must be constituted under the direction of Imre Nagy: all criminal leaders of the Stalin-Rákosi era must be immediately dismissed.
4.We demand public enquiry into the criminal activities of Mihály Farkas and his accomplices. Mátyás Rákosi, who is the person most responsible for crimes of the recent past as well as for our country’s ruin, must be returned to Hungary for trial before a people’s tribunal.
5.We demand general elections by universal, secret ballot are held throughout the country to elect a new National Assembly, with all political parties participating. We demand that the right of workers to strike be recognised.
6.We demand revision and re-adjustment of Hungarian-Soviet and Hungarian-Yugoslav relations in the fields of politics, economics and cultural affairs, on a basis of complete political and economic equality, and of non-interference in the internal affairs of one by the other.
7.We demand the complete reorganisation of Hungary’s economic life under the direction of specialists. The entire economic system, based on a system of planning, must be re-examined in the light of conditions in Hungary and in the vital interest of the Hungarian people.
8.Our foreign trade agreements and the exact total of reparations that can never be paid must be made public. We demand to be precisely informed of the uranium deposits in our country, on their exploitation and on the concessions to the Russians in this area. We demand that Hungary have the right to sell her uranium freely at world market prices to obtain hard currency.
9.We demand complete revision of the norms operating in industry and an immediate and radical adjustment of salaries in accordance with the just requirements of workers and intellectuals. We demand a minimum living wage for workers.
10.We demand that the system of distribution be organised on a new basis and that agricultural products be utilised in rational manner. We demand equality of treatment for individual farms.
11.We demand reviews by independent tribunals of all political and economic trials as well as the release and rehabilitation of the innocent. We demand the immediate repatriation of prisoners of war (World War II) and of civilian deportees to the Soviet Union, including prisoners sentenced outside Hungary.
12.We demand complete recognition of freedom of opinion and of expression, of freedom of the press and of radio, as well as the creation of a daily newspaper for the MEFESZ Organisation (Hungarian Federation of University and College Students’ Associations).
13.We demand that the statue of Stalin, symbol of Stalinist tyranny and political oppression, be removed as quickly as possible and be replaced by a monument in memory of the martyred freedom fighters of 1848-49.
14.We demand the replacement of emblems foreign to the Hungarian people by the old Hungarian arms of Kossuth. We demand new uniforms for the Army which conform to our national traditions. We demand that March 15th be declared a national holiday and that the October 6th be a day of national mourning on which schools will be closed.
15.The students of the Technological University of Budapest declare unanimously their solidarity with the workers and students of Warsaw and Poland in their movement towards national independence.
16.The students of the Technological University of Budapest will organise as rapidly as possible local branches of MEFESZ, and they have decided to convene at Budapest, on Saturday October 27, a Youth Parliament at which all the nation’s youth shall be represented by their delegates.

They wanted Hungary to actually be socialist instead of a Stalinist shithole.

[Risottia]

The Grundgesetz does not make the advocacy of the democratization/abolition of private property a criminal offense. They are free to advocate it all they want, just as the Free Democrats are free to advocate for the destruction of Germany's constitutionally enshrined welfare state.

The National Democrats, on the other hand, can be argued to be in violation of the Grundgesetz, because they are an anti-democratic Neo-Nazi party, the organization political advocacy of such is expressly banned by the Grundgesetz.

So advocation violation of certain rights is completely okay, but advocation of violation of some other rights is EEEEBULL!

Leftist logic...

Exactly where the Grundgesetz says property cannot be regulated?