Germany To Ban Far-Right Political Party

[Ralkovia]

I said that if we're going to start arresting people over political objectives, we'd have to arrest Islamists advocating shariah law.

You said I didn't know what shariah law was. Which implies that you disagreed with the premise that Islamists advocating shariah law wouldn't break this new law.

As if that's the first time I've worded things poorly. I thought you were used to that part...

I asked you to tell me more about how I didn't know what Shariah law was or how it doesn't break the constitution.

And now you're saying "I don't advocate it. And I don't waste my time learning what the religious law advocates are saying."

I said I don't want to waste my time with them. Difference.

You do realize the fact that you just said "You don't know what shariah law is" and "I don't waste my learning what the advocates are saying" are pretty contradictory.

And you do realise that the guy writing this is Zaras, right? Are you even surprised anymore at my capacity for having my brain run before my typing skills? I'm pretty sure that was well-established by now.

As I said before, I dislike your politics and your views. I don't dislike you as a person and I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[Zaras]

Ok, you're now officially debate-wise incompetent.

To only who shows who is stupid and incompete to debate is you with your ad hominem arguments.

Giorgio Napolitano

Not a right-winger.

said something that dalmatia should be colonised after it enters the EU few years ago

Politician says something stupid. How is this news? It's only one thing at least compared to Berlusconi's parade of fail.

Gianfranco Finni is a prominent polititian who is also a fashist.

So's Alessandra Mussolini and Marine Le Pen. Your point?

Italy celebrates the 10th February as a day of mourning,

Sauce.

Fashist parties are active in Italy and they have no attention to ban them.

Italy's constitutional thing. Advocate changing it then.

There is also a anti-Slavic bias in Triest, etc.

Sauce.

They should be thankful to the ex-Yugoslav republic for liberating them from fashism but instead the political establishment gives statements that Zadar, Rijeka and Dubrovnik are Italian.

Sauce.

And yes, Lega Nord is a racist party.

Which people vote for. What does that mean?

[Zaras]

I don't dislike you as a person

You should. You wouldn't be the first.

[Hippostania]

The same place they've already wasted billions of euros fixing East Germany from.

And what is that?

Their problem.

No, tell me. How are you going to get those assets if they refuse to sell it to you. Are you going to violate property rights?

Oh, "antifa scum". Isn't that cute.

That's what they are.

Obvs, 767 people out of millions of Germans are a bigger problem than Hitler fanboys.

Indeed. In the first quarter of 2011, there were over 2000 offenses committed by left-wing militants, up 38% from 2010. I'd consider that a serious problem; much worse than some Hitler boys waving flags.

[Jinos]

Mothafuckin' source. Oh, wait, you have none. Therefore, you're lying.

See their party programme.

They're advocating violation of property rights under the guise of "democratization", that people should be allowed to decide matters of private businessess and organizations that they have no business interfering with. Die Linke is a criminal organization, and in my opinion Die Linke and its Antifa goons are a much bigger threat to democracy than a bunch of nationalists who don't even have representation in the Bundestag.

Their democratisation is an advocacy of banning business from interfering with their political process (a gigantic problem here in the US) it has nothing to do with property rights.

Unless you'd like to actually quote something and cite the page number. Dumping a 50+ page document down and saying "proof" doesn't actually support your case.

Fact is, Die Linke supports Keynesian economics and doesn't advocate for the abolishment of capitalism or private property.

[Kvatchdom]

Infringement to political rights, so fuck this. Even if it is a violent group of Nazis.

[Zaras]

The same place they've already wasted billions of euros fixing East Germany from.

And what is that?

Deficit spending.

No, tell me. How are you going to get those assets if they refuse to sell it to you.

Waiting.

That's what they are.

Because opposing fascism makes you more scum than fascists. Clearly.

Indeed. In the first quarter of 2011, there were over 2000 offenses committed by left-wing militants, up 38% from 2010. I'd consider that a serious problem; much worse than some Hitler boys waving flags.

>forgetting how big Germany's population is
>forgetting all the other crime problems Germany has

[Ralkovia]

Let me just get this straight.

I said that if we're going to start arresting people over political objectives, we'd have to arrest Islamists advocating shariah law.

You said I didn't know what shariah law was. Which implies that you disagreed with the premise that Islamists advocating shariah law wouldn't break this new law.

I asked you to tell me more about how I didn't know what Shariah law was or how it doesn't break the constitution.

And now you're saying "I don't advocate it. And I don't waste my time learning what the religious law advocates are saying."

You do realize the fact that you just said "You don't know what shariah law is" and "I don't waste my learning what the advocates are saying" are pretty contradictory.

I on the other hand understand what they are advocating. Both Sunni and a number of Shi'a sects.

I think it's important to note the Shariah Law, like Islam itself, has as many different definitions as it does followers. As it happens, often it's the extremist Qutbist-style Islamists than get the most attention, and therefore, the minority gets to define the entire political movement.

Moderate Islamism is very similar in rhetoric to the Christian Democrat movements in Europe. I don't see why a Salafist, or Islamist party should be banned if the CDU is allowed to sprout their religious-influenced policies unmolested.

Which was partially my point.

If we're banning political parties because of their objectives, you're going to run into problems.

[Kvatchdom]

The same place they've already wasted billions of euros fixing East Germany from.

And what is that?

Their problem.

No, tell me. How are you going to get those assets if they refuse to sell it to you. Are you going to violate property rights?

Oh, "antifa scum". Isn't that cute.

That's what they are.

Obvs, 767 people out of millions of Germans are a bigger problem than Hitler fanboys.

Indeed. In the first quarter of 2011, there were over 2000 offenses committed by left-wing militants, up 38% from 2010. I'd consider that a serious problem; much worse than some Hitler boys waving flags.

How is antifascism bad? You do know you can be a right-winger and be an antifa.

[Zaras]

If we're banning political parties because of their objectives, you're going to run into problems.

So the hurdle to banning parties should be specific enough to not cause problems.

[Ralkovia]

I don't dislike you as a person

You should. You wouldn't be the first.

I don't. Doesn't matter what your opinions are, you're still a person.

[Jinos]

Indeed. In the first quarter of 2011, there were over 2000 offenses committed by left-wing militants, up 38% from 2010. I'd consider that a serious problem; much worse than some Hitler boys waving flags.

Worse than apparently 16k worth of offenses by political rightists?

Political violence by the right occurs more often than that by the left.

[Von Halder]

considering also that other ideologies that had caused a huge number of dead (hard line communists in the gulag)

Learn the difference between communism and stalinism before spouting off uninformed bullshit.

seem to be the "right thing"; second in the past of my nation there were few moments of increased prosperity and economic growth than when we were under fascist rule

Wrong.

I'm not justifing them, they've done great errors but I usually feel that people only talk about bad aspects, never positive one (German autobahn, for example is a nazi invention).

There were no positive aspects to Nazism. Ever. You'd know this shit if you read Laerod's Ultimate Hitler Thread.

For the first one, I have written Hard-line communism... do you really think only stalin has forgotten what communism was about?? what do you think about the Hungarian Revolution of 1956?? Stalin did not take part in that and still the Red Army murdered a lot of people..

For the second, tell me: when was the most prosperous period (from a merely economical point of view) for Italy and Germany??

And the last one: the highway in Germany were all planned by Nazis, in Italy the fascist had reclaimed huge amount of land from marsh (Littoria/Latina etc), Mussolini was the one that introducted pensions and benefits for families with a lot of children.. is it so negative??

[Hippostania]

And what is that?

Deficit spending.

No, tell me. How are you going to get those assets if they refuse to sell it to you.

Waiting.

That's what they are.

Because opposing fascism makes you more scum than fascists. Clearly.

In this case it does. Antifa scumbags beat up innocent people and damage property. Neonazis just wave some flags. Antifa's purpose is to violate political freedom.

>forgetting how big Germany's population is
>forgetting all the other crime problems Germany has

Hey, you were the one who claimed that neo-nazi crime (which usually consists of nothing more than using banned symbols) is a problem. I just showed you that left-wing violence is a much bigger problem when compared to right-wing violence.

[Risottia]

Ok, you're now officially debate-wise incompetent.

To only who shows who is stupid and incompete to debate is you with your ad hominem arguments.

Sure.
Who just posted a lot of unsourced bullshit about Napolitano?

Giorgio Napolitano said something that dalmatia should be colonised after it enters the EU few years ago, unfortunately I have no link on english.

Post it in the original Italian. No problem. Or even in Slovenian, Croatian, Russian, German, Spanish, French, whatever floats your boat.
Yes, I'm calling your bluff.

Gianfranco Finni is a prominent polititian who is also a fashist.

"Fini". He's such a prominent politician you don't even know his name.

Italy celebrates the 10th February as a day of mourning, it is annual when the Treaty of Paris is signed.

Actually, it's considered a day dedicated to remembering the Italophone population of Istria and Dalmatia who left those areas after WW2. And even the istitution of that has been (and still is) quite disputed.

Fashist parties are active in Italy and they have no attention to ban them.

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It shall be forbidden to reorganize, under any form whatever, the dissolved fascist party.
Notwithstanding Article 48, the law has established, for not more than five years from the implementation of the Constitution, temporary limitations to the right to vote and eligibility for the leaders responsible for the fascist regime.

There is also a anti-Slavic bias in Triest, etc.

"Trieste".
Also, omg, there are some racist idiots around. Boo-hoo, sooo scared.

They should be thankful to the ex-Yugoslav republic for liberating them from fashism

Maybe they didn't like the attempt at grabbing Trieste.
And, as if the Italian partisans had no role in eliminating the fascists.

but instead the political establishment gives statements that Zadar, Rijeka and Dubrovnik are Italian.

Bullshit.

And yes, Lega Nord is a racist party.

Yes it is. So what? They didn't attempt to breach the Constitution in any seriously menacing way. They're just a bunch of buffoons.

[Esternial]

Infringement to political rights, so fuck this. Even if it is a violent group of Nazis.

It's unconstitutional, political rights don't mean jack shit if that party doesn't adhere to the constitution.

[Zaras]

You should. You wouldn't be the first.

I don't. Doesn't matter what your opinions are, you're still a terrible person.

Fix'd.

Your insistence on not doing the same thing as so many other people who've had the misfortune of having to know me and disliking me is rather bizarre.

[Crata]

To settle the ever-lasting issue of socialization.

Article 15 GG:
Land, natural resources, and means of production may for the purpose of socialization be transferred to public ownership or other forms of public enterprise by a law that determines the nature and extent of compensation. With respect to such compensation the third and fourth sentences of paragraph (3) of Article 14 shall apply mutatis mutandis.

[Hippostania]

How is antifascism bad? You do know you can be a right-winger and be an antifa.

Because antifa is scum that beat up innocent people for no reason whatsoever, stages riots and damages both public and private property. Antifa is pretty much a criminal organization, it has nothing to do with anti-fascism.

[Kvatchdom]

Infringement to political rights, so fuck this. Even if it is a violent group of Nazis.

It's unconstitutional, political rights don't mean jack shit if they don't adhere to the constitution.

Well, dangit then. I just don't see why anyone would even vote such a party in power.

[Jinos]

Neonazis just wave some flags.

Hey, you were the one who claimed that neo-nazi crime (which usually consists of nothing more than using banned symbols) is a problem. I just showed you that left-wing violence is a much bigger problem when compared to right-wing violence.

And I just showed you that right-wing violence dwarfs left wing violence by a margin of apparently 8:1. So much for "just wave some flags"

[Risottia]

It's unconstitutional, political rights don't mean jack shit if they don't adhere to the constitution.

Well, dangit then. I just don't see why anyone would even vote such a party in power.

Because some humans are just jerks.

[Esternial]

It's unconstitutional, political rights don't mean jack shit if they don't adhere to the constitution.

Well, dangit then. I just don't see why anyone would even vote such a party in power.

People voting for someone or something doesn't make it magically constitutional.

[Zaras]

Antifa scumbags beat up innocent people and damage property. Neonazis.

Stop right there. Fascist fuckers destroy property, start fires and beat up people just the same. Remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solingen_a ... ck_of_1993 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_ ... l-Sherbini http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_of_Ro ... chtenhagen

Hey, you were the one who claimed that neo-nazi crime (which usually consists of nothing more than using banned symbols) is a problem.

It is one. But Germany has bigger problems than just that.

I just showed you that left-wing violence is a much bigger problem when compared to right-wing violence.

Forgetting this? http://geocurrents.info/news-map/politi ... in-germany

[Kvatchdom]

How is antifascism bad? You do know you can be a right-winger and be an antifa.

Because antifa is scum that beat up innocent people for no reason whatsoever, stages riots and damages both public and private property. Antifa is pretty much a criminal organization, it has nothing to do with anti-fascism.

Good. Germany needs a shaking. But it would seem that the nationalists have done way more damage. Violence happens everywhere, especially when the youth get radical, and most usually, they're left-wing. Antifa is a left-wing organization against ethnic nationalism, and is no more criminal than Tea Party.