Germany To Ban Far-Right Political Party

[Zaras]

considering also that other ideologies that had caused a huge number of dead (hard line communists in the gulag)

Learn the difference between communism and stalinism before spouting off uninformed bullshit.

seem to be the "right thing"; second in the past of my nation there were few moments of increased prosperity and economic growth than when we were under fascist rule

Wrong.

I'm not justifing them, they've done great errors but I usually feel that people only talk about bad aspects, never positive one (German autobahn, for example is a nazi invention).

There were no positive aspects to Nazism. Ever. You'd know this shit if you read Laerod's Ultimate Hitler Thread.

[Risottia]

In a constitutional democracy, oreventing the eventual rise to the power of a political party whose stated objectives are anticonstitutional saves everyone else's political freedom.

Lesser of two evils. Just like when the police have no other choice but to kill a criminal to prevent him from killing other people. You violate the his right to life to save other people's right to their lives.

When do we start arresting Shariah law advocates. I'm wanting to get in on this action.

Arresting? No need - unless they violate an eventual ban after the ban has been made. Just as NPD members aren't being charged right now with attempt on the Constitution.
If a party advocating the introduction of Sharia in Germany were to rise, I'm pretty sure it would be banned because of anticonstitutional objectives. Just as it's happening with NPD now. Just as the KPD was banned in 1956.

All right, that makes sense, I suppose. Now why, exactly, are radical Islamists not be arrested? Shariah law, anyone?

Because they're NOT attempting anticonstitutional acts in Germany right now, evidently. And the Islamist Party of Enforcing Sharia In Germany Through Terror And Banning Leberwurst And Beer Because It's Not Halal isn't getting banned because it doesn't fucking exist.

[Zaras]

I doubt you know much about Sharia law.

Isn't sharia law where everyone has to respect muslims or die?

Yup, you're ignorant and uninformed. Fat surprise.

Sharia (Arabic: شريعة‎ šarīʿah, IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa], "legislation"; sp. shariah, sharīʿah;[1] also قانون إسلامي qānūn ʾIslāmī) is the moral code and religious law of Islam. Sharia deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, and fasting. Though interpretations of sharia vary between cultures, in its strictest definition it is considered the infallible law of God—as opposed to the human interpretation of the laws (fiqh).

There are two primary sources of sharia law: the precepts set forth in the Quran, and the example set by the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the Sunnah. Where it has official status, sharia is interpreted by Islamic judges (qadis) with varying responsibilities for the religious leaders (imams). For questions not directly addressed in the primary sources, the application of sharia is extended through consensus of the religious scholars (ulama) thought to embody the consensus of the Muslim Community (ijma). Islamic jurisprudence will also sometimes incorporate analogies from the Quran and Sunnah through qiyas, though Shia jurists prefer reasoning ('aql) to analogy.

Which kinds of Sharia law do you want to ban now? Cite exactly what you hate about Sharia law and which sects practice that.

[Archlemeinge]

Isn't sharia law where everyone has to respect muslims or die?

Yup, you're ignorant and uninformed. Fat surprise.

Sharia (Arabic: شريعة‎ šarīʿah, IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa], "legislation"; sp. shariah, sharīʿah;[1] also قانون إسلامي qānūn ʾIslāmī) is the moral code and religious law of Islam. Sharia deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, and fasting. Though interpretations of sharia vary between cultures, in its strictest definition it is considered the infallible law of God—as opposed to the human interpretation of the laws (fiqh).

There are two primary sources of sharia law: the precepts set forth in the Quran, and the example set by the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the Sunnah. Where it has official status, sharia is interpreted by Islamic judges (qadis) with varying responsibilities for the religious leaders (imams). For questions not directly addressed in the primary sources, the application of sharia is extended through consensus of the religious scholars (ulama) thought to embody the consensus of the Muslim Community (ijma). Islamic jurisprudence will also sometimes incorporate analogies from the Quran and Sunnah through qiyas, though Shia jurists prefer reasoning ('aql) to analogy.

Which kinds of Sharia law do you want to ban now? Cite exactly what you hate about Sharia law and which sects practice that.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I asked a question and all you did was call me ignorant.

[Ralkovia]

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All right, that makes sense, I suppose. Now why, exactly, are radical Islamists not be arrested? Shariah law, anyone?

I doubt you know much about Sharia law.

So you're saying that Shariah Law Advocates don't want to adversely affect my rights?

Please tell me more about your fantasy land.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Thanks for forgetting what Hitler's regime ultimately led to. What was that again?

Oh yeah, destroying Germany.

Neo-Nazis don't want to make Germany different, they want to ruin it.

He wanted to control Europe. Through conquest. That would obviously lead to war, but it was the Allies' fault for bombing cities full of innocents. It was unnecessary and brutal, and contributed quite a bit to Germany's "destruction." Not to mention the quite authoritarian anti-National Socialist laws that sprung up afterward.

Big fucking deal. I shouldn't be tolerant of people who are intolerant. Therein lies a paradox I don't want to fall for. Fuck 'em. If they can't tolerate other people, they can go fuck 'emselves with sharp things.

OK - you shouldn't be tolerant of people who are intolerant. You can believe that all you want, just don't claim to be a tolerant person.

You don't seem to understand how reality and nuance work.

Enlighten me as to how my statement was incorrect.

[Hippostania]

NPD and Die Linke both wish to break laws and violate people's rights.

Mothafuckin' source. Oh, wait, you have none. Therefore, you're lying.

See their party programme.

They're advocating violation of property rights under the guise of "democratization", that people should be allowed to decide matters of private businessess and organizations that they have no business interfering with. Die Linke is a criminal organization, and in my opinion Die Linke and its Antifa goons are a much bigger threat to democracy than a bunch of nationalists who don't even have representation in the Bundestag.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

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All right, that makes sense, I suppose. Now why, exactly, are radical Islamists not be arrested? Shariah law, anyone?

I doubt you know much about Sharia law.

I know enough.

[Zaras]

Yup, you're ignorant and uninformed. Fat surprise.



Which kinds of Sharia law do you want to ban now? Cite exactly what you hate about Sharia law and which sects practice that.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I asked a question and all you did was call me ignorant.

And uninformed. The tone of your question made me think you're not really interested in finding out anything about Sharia law but just want to get in on the EbulM00zlems action.

I doubt you know much about Sharia law.

So you're saying that Shariah Law Advocates don't want to adversely affect my rights?

Please tell me more about your fantasy land.

Please tell me more about how you know the differences between the different branches of Sharia law and all the different sects of Islam.

Oh wait, you can't, because you don't.

He wanted to control Europe. Through conquest.

So we should totally defend people deluded enough to agree with that.

That would obviously lead to war, but it was the Allies' fault for bombing cities full of innocents.

Attempted equivocation rejected.

Not to mention the quite authoritarian anti-National Socialist laws that sprung up afterward

Considering some statistics immediately post-war still showed a shocking amount of support for the Nazis, the Allies really needed to beat the fuckers over the head with exceptionally thick sticks (like forcing Germans to visit concentration camps, etc.) to get the point through.

OK - you shouldn't be tolerant of people who are intolerant. You can believe that all you want, just don't claim to be a tolerant person.

Tolerance is immediately cancelled by somebody else's intolerance. Why the fuck should I allow somebody to get away with that?

Enlighten me as to how my statement was incorrect.

If you want to defend civil rights and political freedoms, how the fuck does it make sense to let people who openly want to reduce them take part in the political process?

[Cworaliya]

Just a small quote from Holger Apfel, leader of the NPD:

In German:
"Wir von der NPD sind stolz darauf, dass wir alljährlich in den deutschen Verfassungsschutzberichten stehen und als vermeintlich verfassungsfeindlich gegenüber diesem System stehen. Jawohl, wir sind verfassungsfeindlich, wenn es darum geht, dieses System zu bekämpfen."

In bad English (translated by myself, as i couldn't find it in English on the web):
"We from the NPD are proud that we are standing in the German domestic intelligence reports every year for supposedly being unconstitutional and against this system. Yes, we are unconstitutional when it comes to fight this system."

[Archlemeinge]

Multiculturalism ruins culture.

[Varijnland]

Isn't sharia law where everyone has to respect muslims or die?

Yup, you're ignorant and uninformed. Fat surprise.

Sharia (Arabic: شريعة‎ šarīʿah, IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa], "legislation"; sp. shariah, sharīʿah;[1] also قانون إسلامي qānūn ʾIslāmī) is the moral code and religious law of Islam. Sharia deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics, and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, and fasting. Though interpretations of sharia vary between cultures, in its strictest definition it is considered the infallible law of God—as opposed to the human interpretation of the laws (fiqh).

There are two primary sources of sharia law: the precepts set forth in the Quran, and the example set by the Islamic prophet Muhammad in the Sunnah. Where it has official status, sharia is interpreted by Islamic judges (qadis) with varying responsibilities for the religious leaders (imams). For questions not directly addressed in the primary sources, the application of sharia is extended through consensus of the religious scholars (ulama) thought to embody the consensus of the Muslim Community (ijma). Islamic jurisprudence will also sometimes incorporate analogies from the Quran and Sunnah through qiyas, though Shia jurists prefer reasoning ('aql) to analogy.

Which kinds of Sharia law do you want to ban now? Cite exactly what you hate about Sharia law and which sects practice that.

Wow..............

[Ralkovia]

What the fuck is wrong with you? I asked a question and all you did was call me ignorant.

And uninformed. The tone of your question made me think you're not really interested in finding out anything about Sharia law but just want to get in on the EbulM00zlems action.

So you're saying that Shariah Law Advocates don't want to adversely affect my rights?

Please tell me more about your fantasy land.

Please tell me more about how you know the differences between the different branches of Sharia law and all the different sects of Islam.

Oh wait, you can't, because you don't.

He wanted to control Europe. Through conquest.

So we should totally defend people deluded enough to agree with that.

That would obviously lead to war, but it was the Allies' fault for bombing cities full of innocents.

Attempted equivocation rejected.

Not to mention the quite authoritarian anti-National Socialist laws that sprung up afterward

Considering some statistics immediately post-war still showed a shocking amount of support for the Nazis, the Allies really needed to beat the fuckers over the head with exceptionally thick sticks (like forcing Germans to visit concentration camps, etc.) to get the point through.

OK - you shouldn't be tolerant of people who are intolerant. You can believe that all you want, just don't claim to be a tolerant person.

Tolerance is immediately cancelled by somebody else's intolerance. Why the fuck should I allow somebody to get away with that?

Enlighten me as to how my statement was incorrect.

If you want to defend civil rights and political freedoms, how the fuck does it make sense to let people who openly want to reduce them take part in the political process?

Please tell me more about how I don't know specifically what I know. I really would like to hear you justify Shariah Law Advocates.

[Zaras]

Mothafuckin' source. Oh, wait, you have none. Therefore, you're lying.

See their party programme.

Finally, an English link.

They're advocating violation of property rights under the guise of "democratization",

Fail. The only mention of the word "property" in there is about "public property".

that people should be allowed to decide matters of private businessess and organizations that they have no business interfering with.

People like you?

Die Linke is a criminal organization, and in my opinion

Your opinion is stupid and you should feel bad.

Die Linke and its Antifa goons are a much bigger threat to democracy than a bunch of nationalists who don't even have representation in the Bundestag.

Self-awareness. Knowledge of the world. A non-juvenile, snotty teen political understanding. Your post fails to evidence any of these.

I doubt you know much about Sharia law.

I know enough.

So you just skim-read the shocking, outdated idiotic parts without noticing the differences for qesas, hudud or tazir, or the difference between pure-Quraners and Quran-and-Hadithers.

Ancient moral code very obviously outdated and stupid in many parts: in other news, bears shit in woods.

[Slavoland]

if anywhere right-wing parties should be banned that is in italy. the society has neverom properly gone from some doctrines. their president, a communist, dreams a "Italian dalmatia and istra". Zadar will never be zara again.

[Varijnland]

And uninformed. The tone of your question made me think you're not really interested in finding out anything about Sharia law but just want to get in on the EbulM00zlems action.



Please tell me more about how you know the differences between the different branches of Sharia law and all the different sects of Islam.

Oh wait, you can't, because you don't.



So we should totally defend people deluded enough to agree with that.



Attempted equivocation rejected.



Considering some statistics immediately post-war still showed a shocking amount of support for the Nazis, the Allies really needed to beat the fuckers over the head with exceptionally thick sticks (like forcing Germans to visit concentration camps, etc.) to get the point through.



Tolerance is immediately cancelled by somebody else's intolerance. Why the fuck should I allow somebody to get away with that?



If you want to defend civil rights and political freedoms, how the fuck does it make sense to let people who openly want to reduce them take part in the political process?

Please tell me more about how I don't know specifically what I know. I really would like to hear you justify Shariah Law Advocates.

I'd like to hear that too. God, he's just like my knobhead brother.

[Ralkovia]

Multiculturalism ruins culture.

Multiculturalism certainly doesn't.

People who refuse to adapt to the ways of the old culture and add nothing to it ruins it.

Arguably, you'll have a hard time showing me Japanese, Chinese, or Indians have irreversibly or negatively impacted any culture they've been added too.

[Risottia]

They're advocating violation of property rights ...

Your opinion, evidently, differs a lot from the opinion who really matters, that is, the opinion of the BVerG.

I guess you're extrapolating your opinion from this (from your link)

DIE LINKE fights
for a different, democratic economic order that subjects the market regulation of production and distribution to democratic, social and ecological framing and control.

Which clearly is totally alien to the German Social Market Economy model.
Yup.

It has to be based on public and democratically controlled ownership in services of general interest, of the social infrastructure, in the power industry and in the financial sector. We want the democratic socialisation of further structurally relevant areas on the basis of state, municipal, co-operative or work-force ownership.

Oh my they want state control in services of general interest, infrastructures, natural monopolies!
Just like Adam Smith, by the way.
HATERS OF FREEDUUUUM, ALL OF THEM!!!

Business must be subject to stringent competition control.

So, antitrust laws are clearly a violation of the BVerG.

Effective employee rights and co-determination rights must be assured in all enterprises.

So they oppose abusing the workers. OH THE HORROR! CRIMINALS! HOW DARE THEY!

[Zaras]

Please tell me more about how I don't know specifically what I know. I really would like to hear you justify Shariah Law Advocates.

Except, y'know, I don't. Religious law advocates are fucking idiots I don't want to waste my time with. Religion has no business being in the universal law of a state.

[Ralkovia]

Please tell me more about how I don't know specifically what I know. I really would like to hear you justify Shariah Law Advocates.

I'd like to hear that too. God, he's just like my knobhead brother.

My friend, please refrain from insults. I personally dislike it. I agree that Zaras's political premises are screwed up, but on a personal level I don't think he's ignorant or stupid. He carries a different opinion than me. And I respect it.

[Risottia]

if anywhere right-wing parties should be banned that is in italy. the society has neverom properly gone from some doctrines. their president, a communist, dreams a "Italian dalmatia and istra". Zadar will never be zara again.

Ok, you're now officially debate-wise incompetent.

[Crata]

(German autobahn, for example is a nazi invention).

The plans were actually drafted in the Republic of Weimar.

[Archlemeinge]

Zaras is the most ignorant person i have ever seen on the internet, wow.

[Zaras]

Multiculturalism ruins culture.

Multiculturalism certainly doesn't.

People who refuse to adapt to the ways of the old culture and add nothing to it ruins it.

Like those far-right loonies ranting about gay marriage, right?

[Zaras]

I'd like to hear that too. God, he's just like my knobhead brother.

Zaras is the most ignorant person i have ever seen on the internet, wow.

Yay, some people insulted me! I feel like I'm on the right path when Varijnland and Archlemeinge are calling me names.

I especially love how Archlemeinge thinks I'm more ignorant than, say, Martin Ssempa, Todd Akin or Michelle Bachmann.