Germany To Ban Far-Right Political Party

[Zaras]

Please, explain to me how banning a political party because of their beliefs is not restricting political freedom.

Explain to me how banning a political party whose entire platform is destroying the German state and worshipping a murderous psychopathic monster responsible for industrialised mass murder is soooooooooooooooooo essential to political freedom.

I don't want to fall for the paradox where you take tolerance so far you end up excusing and apologising for intolerance.

I know this one other German guy who was a big fan of banning political parties as well!

Godwin's law. You lose.

Indeed, left-wingers have never been friends of liberty.

Hippo: reliably forgetting that the CDU/CSU are in government now.

[Shakal]

What would banning them as a political party actually do? Would the NPD thereafter be considered a criminal organisation? Could one be imprisoned for membership in the NPD? Or would they just no longer be an official, taxpayer supported party? Could a banned NPD just run candidates as independent out of their own pockets?

These .

Also I dont agree with the NPD regardless of my wanting a dictatorship to rule the world. But I believe that banning the party will just (As some others stated) make it a 'cool' and 'rebellious' thing for people to join. I believe that Germany is actually far to worried about the past when it comes to politics and that allowing the party to simply do whatever it is that it does would prove more than banning it because it worries you... I mean its not like political parties being banned in Germany hasnt happened before because this is a brand new thing... No extreme right wing economic center parties have ever banned opposing political parties before? right???

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Now all they have to do is lock up Die Linke.

Now there's an idea.

Fine. They can ban the NDP, but have to do the same with The Left.

[Risottia]

...You haven't proven to me that the NPD is a criminal organization and a political party. Conclusively prove that the NPD advocates crime and is organized to facilitate crime.

That's pretty much what the BVerG, the Bundesrat and the Bundestag are about to do.
They're debating about whether the NPD is an organization whose objectives are legitimate, or if it's an organization whose objectives are anticonstitutional.

Fine. They can ban the NDP, but have to do the same with The Left.

Considering how the BRD already banned a left-wing party for being anticonstitutional, and how Die Linke isn't under scrutiny, I suspect that Die Linke doesn't state or further anticonstitutional objectives.
But surely that's because Angela Merkel is an undercover commie agent and she's protecting her comrades.

Sure.

[Zaras]

Now all they have to do is lock up Die Linke.

Now there's an idea.

Fine. They can ban the NDP, but have to do the same with The Left.

Except for the part where Die Linke don't advocate worshipping Hitler and destroying German democracy, but who fuckin' cares about facts? We have neo-Nazis to defend!

[Hippostania]

In a constitutional democracy, oreventing the eventual rise to the power of a political party whose stated objectives are anticonstitutional saves everyone else's political freedom.

Lesser of two evils. Just like when the police have no other choice but to kill a criminal to prevent him from killing other people. You violate the his right to life to save other people's right to their lives.

Then I suppose that Die Linke and all other far-left parties should be banned as well, for advocating violation of property rights?

[Ralkovia]

Please, explain to me how banning a political party because of their beliefs is not restricting political freedom.

In a constitutional democracy, oreventing the eventual rise to the power of a political party whose stated objectives are anticonstitutional saves everyone else's political freedom.

Lesser of two evils. Just like when the police have no other choice but to kill a criminal to prevent him from killing other people. You violate the his right to life to save other people's right to their lives.

When do we start arresting Shariah law advocates. I'm wanting to get in on this action.

[Archlemeinge]

The left was never really about freedom in the first place of course their going to try to do this.

[Slavoland]

Indeed, left-wingers have never been friends of liberty.

Which is why they allowed women to vote.

But that's off-topic.

where did they allowed women to vote?

[Zaras]

Then I suppose that Die Linke and all other far-left parties should be banned as well, for advocating violation of property rights?

Ah, Hippo. So deluded he can't tell the difference between unsourced claims about wanting to violate property rights and openly worshipping Hitler.

[Zaras]

Which is why they allowed women to vote.

But that's off-topic.

where did they allowed women to vote?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage

Germany: 1918.

[Zaras]

The left was never really about freedom in the first place of course their going to try to do this.

Brilliant worthless contribution of ignorance you got there.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Explain to me how banning a political party whose entire platform is destroying the German state and worshipping a murderous psychopathic monster responsible for industrialised mass murder is soooooooooooooooooo essential to political freedom.

i. I would not say that they are attemtping to destroy Germany - make it a hell of a lot different, yes, perhaps not to your liking, yes, but destroy it? Nah.

ii. If you are referring to Hitler, OK. I do not like him either. But not being tolerant of those who are intolerant is - guess what? - intolerance.

What bothers me about the large amount o support for this is that the same people who say "Yeah, get rid of the nasty Nazis!" also say "Let anyone believe what they want to! More civil rights! More political freedom!" The two statements made by the same person make said person a hypocrite.

[Slavoland]

In a constitutional democracy, oreventing the eventual rise to the power of a political party whose stated objectives are anticonstitutional saves everyone else's political freedom.

Lesser of two evils. Just like when the police have no other choice but to kill a criminal to prevent him from killing other people. You violate the his right to life to save other people's right to their lives.

When do we start arresting Shariah law advocates. I'm wanting to get in on this action.

no, are you insane????

allowing sharia law shows how a society is actually democratic and multicultural

[Ralkovia]

Then I suppose that Die Linke and all other far-left parties should be banned as well, for advocating violation of property rights?

Ah, Hippo. So deluded he can't tell the difference between unsourced claims about wanting to violate property rights and openly worshipping Hitler.

Then they'd be protected under religious freedom.

[Archlemeinge]

Im glade im in america where you can be either a jew hating nazi or a dick sucking socialist and the government cant tell you otherwise!

[Hippostania]

Then I suppose that Die Linke and all other far-left parties should be banned as well, for advocating violation of property rights?

Ah, Hippo. So deluded he can't tell the difference between unsourced claims about wanting to violate property rights and openly worshipping Hitler.

NPD and Die Linke both wish to break laws and violate people's rights. Either ban both of them or neither.

[Risottia]

In a constitutional democracy, oreventing the eventual rise to the power of a political party whose stated objectives are anticonstitutional saves everyone else's political freedom.

Lesser of two evils. Just like when the police have no other choice but to kill a criminal to prevent him from killing other people. You violate the his right to life to save other people's right to their lives.

Then I suppose that Die Linke and all other far-left parties should be banned as well, for advocating violation of property rights?

See my post above.
Also, no, they're not advocating violation of the property rights detailed by the Bundesverfassung.

[Zaras]

Explain to me how banning a political party whose entire platform is destroying the German state and worshipping a murderous psychopathic monster responsible for industrialised mass murder is soooooooooooooooooo essential to political freedom.

i. I would not say that they are attemtping to destroy Germany - make it a hell of a lot different, yes, perhaps not to your liking, yes, but destroy it? Nah.

Thanks for forgetting what Hitler's regime ultimately led to. What was that again?

Oh yeah, destroying Germany.

Neo-Nazis don't want to make Germany different, they want to ruin it.

ii. If you are referring to Hitler, OK. I do not like him either. But not being tolerant of those who are intolerant is - guess what? - intolerance.

Big fucking deal. I shouldn't be tolerant of people who are intolerant. Therein lies a paradox I don't want to fall for. Fuck 'em. If they can't tolerate other people, they can go fuck 'emselves with sharp things.

What bothers me about the large amount o support for this is that the same people who say "Yeah, get rid of the nasty Nazis!" also say "Let anyone believe what they want to! More civil rights! More political freedom!" The two statements made by the same person make said person a hypocrite.

You don't seem to understand how reality and nuance work.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

In a constitutional democracy, preventing the eventual rise to the power of a political party whose stated objectives are anticonstitutional saves everyone else's political freedom.

Lesser of two evils. Just like when the police have no other choice but to kill a criminal to prevent him from killing other people. You violate the his right to life to save other people's right to their lives.

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All right, that makes sense, I suppose. Now why, exactly, are radical Islamists not be arrested? Shariah law, anyone?

[Slavoland]

where did they allowed women to vote?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage

Germany: 1918.

no, the first who did it were liberals in new zealand.

weimar republic was not left-wing.

[Von Halder]

I live in a country where far-right parties (nazis, fascists) are technically banned and personally I don't think this is a good idea for a number of reason: first of all we live in a democracy where everyone can say what he wants, think what he wants etc. but certain parties are banned... i don't think it is right, considering also that other ideologies that had caused a huge number of dead (hard line communists in the gulag) seem to be the "right thing"; second in the past of my nation there were few moments of increased prosperity and economic growth than when we were under fascist rule: I'm not justifing them, they've done great errors but I usually feel that people only talk about bad aspects, never positive one (German autobahn, for example is a nazi invention).

I think that we could act in two ways: first ban every extremist parties, not only far-right ones; or we could allow them to participate again in the political life of the country (it has been more almost 70 years from ww2) if they agree to act peacefully and not against the government

[Zaras]

Ah, Hippo. So deluded he can't tell the difference between unsourced claims about wanting to violate property rights and openly worshipping Hitler.

NPD and Die Linke both wish to break laws and violate people's rights.

Mothafuckin' source. Oh, wait, you have none. Therefore, you're lying.

[Zaras]

In a constitutional democracy, preventing the eventual rise to the power of a political party whose stated objectives are anticonstitutional saves everyone else's political freedom.

Lesser of two evils. Just like when the police have no other choice but to kill a criminal to prevent him from killing other people. You violate the his right to life to save other people's right to their lives.

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All right, that makes sense, I suppose. Now why, exactly, are radical Islamists not be arrested? Shariah law, anyone?

I doubt you know much about Sharia law.

[Archlemeinge]

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All right, that makes sense, I suppose. Now why, exactly, are radical Islamists not be arrested? Shariah law, anyone?

I doubt you know much about Sharia law.

Isn't sharia law where everyone has to respect muslims or die?