Germany To Ban Far-Right Political Party

[Ceannairceach]

Screw 'em.

Anything "far-right" or "far-left" can never be a good thing.

At least anarchists are too busy doing drugs and listening to punk rock.

Excuse me?!

I don't know if that's what you are doing, but it is what you should be doing.

[The Rich Port]

Screw 'em.

Anything "far-right" or "far-left" can never be a good thing.

At least anarchists are too busy doing drugs and listening to punk rock.

Excuse me?!

Oh, come on.

I saw you snorting heroin off of Alec Baldwin's butt cheeks.

Don't try to hide it.

[Ublia]

Normally I don't support banning political parties no matter how much I disagree with their beliefs. However, the fact that this party is engaging in various crimes makes the ban legitimate. If they were just voicing ridiculous opinions I wouldn't support the ban.

Indeed criminal activity mustn't be tolerated. As well if they start plotting to seize power the that's treason and then you can just obliterate them completely.

[The Black Plains]

Excuse me?!

I don't know if that's what you are doing, but it is what you should be doing.

Son, watch yourself.

[Great Nepal]

Mind linking to these "major crimes" and "terrorism" that the party funded or organized?

Terrorism.

Cant find any reference to National Democratic Party of Germany's involvement in NSU.

Top 5 NPD criminals, a satirical show documenting 5 leading NPD politicians that have been convicted (in order of appearance) of heavy assault, inducing an explosion, threats to public safety and heavy assault, dangerous assault and a 7-year sentence for attacking NATO soldiers, and attempted assault resulting in death (legal terms loosely translated). All are in executive positions in the NPD.

Got a link other than youtube?

Statistically speaking, not a month goes by without NPD party or elected officials committing a crime: In the past ten years, 110 of them have committed roughly 120 crimes, the most common offense being assault at around 70.

So, member of NPD are committing crime: therefore should face force of the law. Still doesn't show NPD funded or organized those crimes. If member of a company commits a crime, we dont go and shut down the company.

[Crata]

Yeah, there's plenty high hurdles for getting it done nowadays. They have to actively (though not necessarily publicly) be campaigning for a "violent" overthrow of the political system.

To be fair, it's a good thing the hurdles are this high.

[Post War America]

As long as they keep an eye on their bier halls, I don't think much could go wrong for Germany with this.
I mean, they do run the risk of making the far right wing trendy by criminalizing it, but Hipster Nazis would be pretty funny.

fix'd

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

As long as they keep an eye on their bier halls, I don't think much could go wrong for Germany with this.
I mean, they do run the risk of making the far right wing trendy by criminalizing it, but Hipster Nazis would be pretty funny.

fix'd

Translating one word into German and then failing to capitalise it while leaving the rest of the post not in German doesn't really constitute fixing.

[Post War America]

Shh..., I overlooked that bit, I'm kind of on an off cycle right now, that is why I did not actually form an opinion of my own.

[Cworaliya]

As a german living in Berlin, i am in full support of this move. It's hard to estimate if the ban will be successfull, however. The first attempt to ban the NPD failed in 2003.

There must be strong reasons to completely ban a political party in Germany, like the SRP ("Sozialistische Reichspartei", unofficial successor to the NSDAP, banned in 1952 for obvious reasons) or the KPD ("Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands", left-wing extremist party, banned in 1956 for advocating a "dictatorship of the proletariat", which, if implemented, would have been in violation of the Grundgesetz)

The NPD is openly hostile towards foreigners, going as far as using violence against them. Many of their well-known representatives were formerly convicted for harming other people, agitating against foreigners, using the Hitlergruß ("Hitler-Salute" in English) or denying the crimes of the Nazi-regime. This has nothing to do with conservatism, like one user stated

In my opinion, it is high time that this party gets banned. It may not completely solve the problem, but at least my hard earned tax-money no longer goes into the pockets of some Neo-Nazi idiots

[Laerod]

Terrorism.

Cant find any reference to National Democratic Party of Germany's involvement in NSU.

Alas, it's missing the details of the German version. Essentially the link with the NSU and the NPD lies with Ralf Wohlleben, a top NPD official in Thuringia, who got the NSU a gun, among other things, and the close links between the NPD, the Thüringischer Heimatschutz, and the NSU.

Top 5 NPD criminals, a satirical show documenting 5 leading NPD politicians that have been convicted (in order of appearance) of heavy assault, inducing an explosion, threats to public safety and heavy assault, dangerous assault and a 7-year sentence for attacking NATO soldiers, and attempted assault resulting in death (legal terms loosely translated). All are in executive positions in the NPD.

Got a link other than youtube?

On what grounds do you dispute the veracity of the contents?

Statistically speaking, not a month goes by without NPD party or elected officials committing a crime: In the past ten years, 110 of them have committed roughly 120 crimes, the most common offense being assault at around 70.

So, member of NPD are committing crime: therefore should face force of the law. Still doesn't show NPD funded or organized those crimes. If member of a company commits a crime, we dont go and shut down the company.

It's not a party member. It's the party, in particular the people running it.

[Laerod]

Yeah, there's plenty high hurdles for getting it done nowadays. They have to actively (though not necessarily publicly) be campaigning for a "violent" overthrow of the political system.

To be fair, it's a good thing the hurdles are this high.

Yup.

[Crata]

Mind linking to these "major crimes" and "terrorism" that the party funded or organized?

It's not about illegal activities. It's about attacking the democratic principles of Germany.

[Ublia]

As a german living in Berlin, i am in full support of this move. It's hard to estimate if the ban will be successfull, however. The first attempt to ban the NPD failed in 2003.

There must be strong reasons to completely ban a political party in Germany, like the SRP ("Sozialistische Reichspartei", unofficial successor to the NSDAP, banned in 1952 for obvious reasons) or the KPD ("Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands", left-wing extremist party, banned in 1956 for advocating a "dictatorship of the proletariat", which, if implemented, would have been in violation of the Grundgesetz)

The NPD is openly hostile towards foreigners, going as far as using violence against them. Many of their well-known representatives were formerly convicted for harming other people, agitating against foreigners, using the Hitlergruß ("Hitler-Salute" in English) or denying the crimes of the Nazi-regime. This has nothing to do with conservatism, like one user stated

In my opinion, it is high time that this party gets banned. It may not completely solve the problem, but at least my hard earned tax-money no longer goes into the pockets of some Neo-Nazi idiots

Now this is a good statement. See what I mean Nazism is going to just die in Germany.

[Crata]

Just another example of the NPD. They actually used this in 2008.

[Ralkovia]

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Just another example of the NPD. They actually used this in 2008.

It's a swiss poster.

http://www.theartofslowtravel.com/wp-co ... oster1.jpg

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

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Just another example of the NPD. They actually used this in 2008.

It's a swiss poster.

http://www.theartofslowtravel.com/wp-co ... oster1.jpg

That NPD one isn't, it was used in elections in Hesse.

[Crata]

It's a swiss poster.

The NPD probably borrowed that poster and slightly changed it

[Smoya]

Good idea. It'll decrease the chance of someone coming into power, like another Hitler (I highly doubt that will happen again), and taking control. However, just like every situation, there will be a con to it. It will take away the political freedoms of them to join any political party they want. However, a safer country is worth it, and I believe it is a good idea.

[Ralkovia]

Good idea. It'll decrease the chance of someone coming into power, like another Hitler (I highly doubt that will happen again), and taking control. However, just like every situation, there will be a con to it. It will take away the political freedoms of them to join any political party they want. However, a safer country is worth it, and I believe it is a good idea.

I'd say the people agreeing that taking away democratic rights from people they disagree with to be a far larger threat than a despised political party that presents no legitimate threat.

[Laerod]

Good idea. It'll decrease the chance of someone coming into power, like another Hitler (I highly doubt that will happen again), and taking control. However, just like every situation, there will be a con to it. It will take away the political freedoms of them to join any political party they want. However, a safer country is worth it, and I believe it is a good idea.

I'd say the people agreeing that taking away democratic rights from people they disagree with to be a far larger threat than a despised political party that presents no legitimate threat.

That would be because you don't know what you're talking about. Try reading the thread, thanks.

[Great Nepal]

Cant find any reference to National Democratic Party of Germany's involvement in NSU.

Alas, it's missing the details of the German version. Essentially the link with the NSU and the NPD lies with Ralf Wohlleben, a top NPD official in Thuringia, who got the NSU a gun, among other things, and the close links between the NPD, the Thüringischer Heimatschutz, and the NSU.

Got a link other than youtube?

On what grounds do you dispute the veracity of the contents?

So, member of NPD are committing crime: therefore should face force of the law. Still doesn't show NPD funded or organized those crimes. If member of a company commits a crime, we dont go and shut down the company.

It's not a party member. It's the party, in particular the people running it.

Still cant see anything about NDP itself funding or supporting it. People associated (and high in chain of command of party) do, sure but party hasn't. Yes, even read the German version of NSU.
We dont shut down company because CEO or people in board of directors of company committed a crime. We do so if company itself did.

[Great Nepal]

Mind linking to these "major crimes" and "terrorism" that the party funded or organized?

It's not about illegal activities. It's about attacking the democratic principles of Germany.

Fundamental democratic principle includes not banning political parties.

[Laerod]

Alas, it's missing the details of the German version. Essentially the link with the NSU and the NPD lies with Ralf Wohlleben, a top NPD official in Thuringia, who got the NSU a gun, among other things, and the close links between the NPD, the Thüringischer Heimatschutz, and the NSU.


On what grounds do you dispute the veracity of the contents?

It's not a party member. It's the party, in particular the people running it.

Still cant see anything about NDP itself funding or supporting it. People associated (and high in chain of command of party) do, sure but party hasn't. Yes, even read the German version of NSU.
We dont shut down company because CEO or people in board of directors of company committed a crime. We do so if company itself did.

You wouldn't shut down the Mafia? Good to know.

[Smoya]

Good idea. It'll decrease the chance of someone coming into power, like another Hitler (I highly doubt that will happen again), and taking control. However, just like every situation, there will be a con to it. It will take away the political freedoms of them to join any political party they want. However, a safer country is worth it, and I believe it is a good idea.

I'd say the people agreeing that taking away democratic rights from people they disagree with to be a far larger threat than a despised political party that presents no legitimate threat.

Right now, there's no threat though. However, you have to think of the future. They could take power and send a threat, but that's just thinking of the future.