School Shooting in Connecticut - Multiple Fatalities

[Libertarian California]

The gun will be used to protect the children from people who actually want to harm them.

Because guns produce magical anti-harm fields.

No, responsible people do.

[Napkiraly]

Yep.

Are you serious? My sister fences. Are you saying she is training to kill?

She could be. I'm personally taking up fencing so that I can have badass scars one day.

[Ifreann]

*sigh* not 6 hours after 20 young children were gunned down in cold blood then the hordes of ITGs descent spouting off about how this totally wouldn't have happened if they were there.

Never. Fucking. Fails.

6 hours? The 101st Fighting Keyboards are getting slow.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Oh, well, in the olden days small shooting contests out in the country were called "turkey shoots." If you won you got a turkey as a prize. Apparently that grand old American tradition has gone the way of the liberal Republican and the Southern Democrat. Tsk.

Oh! (Wow, I am dumb. Or just way too literal.)

I've only won one this year, and that was one held by a local guns hop for its opening of a new store.

[The Black Forrest]

*sigh* not 6 hours after 20 young children were gunned down in cold blood then the hordes of ITGs descent spouting off about how this totally wouldn't have happened if they were there.

Never. Fucking. Fails.

How long have you been posting here.....

[Ubermenschklippe]

If a psychopath opens fire on a group of people, and a bystander with target shooting experience puts a bullet in him sooner rather than later, it solves some problems. Do you deny it?

Because someone armed with a pistol would totally be milling around a suburban elementary school.

Probably not. But then, not all madmen who open fire on groups of people choose to do so at elementary schools. The point is that being able to defend oneself is not a bad thing.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Not really because target shooting has one purpose...to increase your shooting proficiency. To become more adept at shooting firearms where the ultimate goal is to kill. Simulated or real.

If a psychopath opens fire on a group of people, and a bystander with target shooting experience puts a bullet in him sooner rather than later, it solves some problems. Do you deny it?

Not really sure what that question has to do with my post...please feel free to elucidate.

[Neo Art]

Because guns produce magical anti-harm fields.

No, responsible people do.

resonsible people produce magical ant-harm field? Fuck the guns, let's just get people who pay their taxes on time!

[Ifreann]

Because guns produce magical anti-harm fields.

No, responsible people do.

[Serrland]

Oh, I also missed it, then. Mind explaining? (I have no idea what you mean by "turkeys" then?)

Oh, well, in the olden days small shooting contests out in the country were called "turkey shoots." If you won you got a turkey as a prize. Apparently that grand old American tradition has gone the way of the liberal Republican and the Southern Democrat. Tsk.

I only know about that from old Westerns. There's a comedy one with Dean Martin and Joey Bishop that I used to love when I was little that had a turkey shoot in it, but I can't remember the name, sadly.

[Libertarian California]

The gun will be used to protect the children from people who actually want to harm them.

How are you going to teach and keep an eye on the door? You going to carry the weapon around the room?

They don't keep an eye on the door. Also, the weapon would be a small pistol they carry in a holster.

When a shooter is on campus, the teachers are alerted via an intercom and they help students barricade themselves inside classrooms (that's what we're taught now).

Now, imagine that, on top of the teacher pointing a gun at the entrance to the room, which where if the shooter happens to get the through the barricade, the teacher puts him down.

[Farnhamia]

No, responsible people do.

resonsible people produce magical ant-harm field? Fuck the guns, let's just get people who pay their taxes on time!

And ones who don't run red lights! They obviously think they have an ant-farm field around them.

[Salandriagado]

Oh, well, in the olden days small shooting contests out in the country were called "turkey shoots." If you won you got a turkey as a prize. Apparently that grand old American tradition has gone the way of the liberal Republican and the Southern Democrat. Tsk.

Oh! (Wow, I am dumb. Or just way too literal.)

I've only won one this year, and that was one held by a local guns hop for its opening of a new store.

The only one I participated in this year, I lost to a twelve year old. It wasn't even close. Yeah, turns out kids in the English countryside can shoot really ridiculously well.

[Libertarian California]

No, responsible people do.

resonsible people produce magical ant-harm field? Fuck the guns, let's just get people who pay their taxes on time!

I didn't mean the magic part. What I meant is that bad things are less likely to happen where they are responsible people.

[Chernoslavia]

ehh... no. If teachers are armed I either dont want to attend that school, or Im going to be armed as well when attending.

You're that bad of a discipline problem?

Most staff in my school area were really against the ownership of guns, so that being said, its obvious that they have no experience with guns so I think its best to have someone(me) that can show them proper firearms safety. It has nothing to do with discipline at all. Though, I was known not to follow directions either because I was day dreaming or I just didnt felt like it. But hey, I graduated so I dont need worry about any of that shit.

[Desperate Measures]

File a police report. Unless it's a really, like top-end stereo. That has a soul.

Should you at least be allowed to draw your weapon and threaten him, to get him off of your property?

Why wouldn't it be legal? I think it's even legal to shoot the guy. I'm just saying I don't think it is right to shoot him.

[Ubermenschklippe]

If a psychopath opens fire on a group of people, and a bystander with target shooting experience puts a bullet in him sooner rather than later, it solves some problems. Do you deny it?

Not really sure what that question has to do with my post...please feel free to elucidate.

I started writing that before you specified that you don't have a problem with target shooting. Your comment which I quoted implied to me that you took issue with target shooting; I guess I assumed incorrectly.

[Gauntleted Fist]

The only one I participated in this year, I lost to a twelve year old. It wasn't even close. Yeah, turns out kids in the English countryside can shoot really ridiculously well.

I lose to all of the military veterans here all the time. Most of them put in a ton of practice time, and I just don't have the drive for it like they do. I could probably be a lot better than I am now, but I just don't "get it" that much.

[Farnhamia]

Should you at least be allowed to draw your weapon and threaten him, to get him off of your property?

Why wouldn't it be legal? I think it's even legal to shoot the guy. I'm just saying I don't think it is right to shoot him.

I'm sorry, my blood sugar must be low or something but I thought bad things upon seeing "draw your weapon."

[Chernoslavia]

File a police report. Unless it's a really, like top-end stereo. That has a soul.

Should you at least be allowed to draw your weapon and threaten him, to get him off of your property?

Bad idea. You can get arrested for ''terroristic actions'' or something like that.

[Libertarian California]

Are you serious? My sister fences. Are you saying she is training to kill?

She could be. I'm personally taking up fencing so that I can have badass scars one day.

Now that I think about. Her teacher is the former Soviet Junior Olympic fencing coach (I'm not making that up).

Dear God...no!

[Neo Art]

Not really because target shooting has one purpose...to increase your shooting proficiency. To become more adept at shooting firearms where the ultimate goal is to kill. Simulated or real.

If a psychopath opens fire on a group of people, and a bystander with target shooting experience puts a bullet in him sooner rather than later, it solves some problems. Do you deny it?

If someone with a gun is trained to stand still, draw aim, and hit a stationary target from a fixed distance away, opens fire on a moving target spraying bullets from a semi automatic rifle into a crowd, he's probably just as likely to hit a bystander as he is the actual shooter.

In fact, I'd say someone with a handgun and a bit of target practice might be MORE of a risk than no gun at all, because they might be inclined to think they're trained enough to open fire.

[Farnhamia]

The only one I participated in this year, I lost to a twelve year old. It wasn't even close. Yeah, turns out kids in the English countryside can shoot really ridiculously well.

I lose to all of the military veterans here all the time. most of them put in a ton of practice time, and I just don't have the drive for it like they do. I could probably be a lot better than I am now, but I just don't "get it" that much.

The veterans should be in a class by themselves, they're semi-pro. Not fair to you amateurs.

[Salandriagado]

How are you going to teach and keep an eye on the door? You going to carry the weapon around the room?

They don't keep an eye on the door. Also, the weapon would be a small pistol they carry in a holster.

Child goes up behind teacher, takes gun, oh dear, tragic shooting of some other kid in the newspaper.

When a shooter is on campus, the teachers are alerted via an intercom and they help students barricade themselves inside classrooms (that's what we're taught now).

The first time you know there's a shooter on campus is when they shoot somebody. I also fail to see how a weapon would be of any advantage in this.

Now, imagine that, on top of the teacher pointing a gun at the entrance to the room, which where if the shooter happens to get the through the barricade, the teacher puts him down.

Because obviously, that is how it works. What will actually happen is that the shooter will simply stand somewhere not within direct fire of wherever the teacher is standing, and shoot away. Or grab some kid from elsewhere in the school (say, the classroom they shot up first), and bingo, human shield. You really think the teacher's going to shoot? Of course not. They will hesitate, and they will die.

[Libertarian California]

Should you at least be allowed to draw your weapon and threaten him, to get him off of your property?

Bad idea. You can get arrested for ''terroristic actions'' or something like that.

How is telling an intruder to get off your property terroristic?