School Shooting in Connecticut - Multiple Fatalities

[Chernoslavia]

Now look at the definition of "home invasion" that they're using.

And? Breaking in when occupants are home to rob and or rape them is a Home Invasion.

Home invasion is the act of illegally entering a private and occupied dwelling with violent intent for the purpose of committing a crime against the occupants.

So yeah i think they defined it pretty well.

Burglars dont need to have violent intents to get shot at, if someone breaks another man's window at night and forces himself in, thats enough reason to shoot the burglar.

[Gauntleted Fist]

I have to say, buying a gun so you can make money in tournaments is a shit investment.

But I own guns to hunt with, that I use them for other things (like target shooting) is just an extra benefit of owning said gun. That I also win from time to time is another bonus.

[Libertarian California]

Or to win money in tournaments? I'm not an expert shot by any means, but I participate in local competitions when they're running and can earn a few extra dollars here and there to help cover college expenses. Is it wrong of me to do this? Is it also wrong of me to hunt for my own food when this saves me a great deal of financial pain?

I have to say, buying a gun so you can make money in tournaments is a shit investment.

Most people shoot for fun or to hunt. The tournaments suck anyways. You think you're gonna win, until some ex-military sniper shows up and get's 6 bull's eyes in a row.

[Frisivisia]

I think the best part about your source is that it has no citations to back up its claims.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

And yet, And yet? The FBI has the same numbers in 2009

._. It's just pro gun propaganda though right?

You realize that you linked me to the FBI uniform reports page, and not anything with any statistics on home invasion.

[Farnhamia]

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

And yet, And yet? The FBI has the same numbers in 2009

._. It's just pro gun propaganda though right?

You realize that you linked me to the FBI uniform reports page, and not anything with any statistics on home invasion.

You want him to do everything for you? Liberals, I swear.

[Jocabia]

Seriously. My name is Eric Boyd. If I ever die in some spectacular way, please, please, do something more useful than sending prayers and condolences to my family that doesn't know you. Since it would most likely be a plane crash, perhaps something about aircraft safety.

Someone please quote this when the inevitable thread pops up and the inevitable posters show up telling you to stop talking about sensible things that can actually have an impact.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Not really because target shooting has one purpose...to increase your shooting proficiency. To become more adept at shooting firearms where the ultimate goal is to kill. Simulated or real.

Or to win money in tournaments? I'm not an expert shot by any means, but I participate in local competitions when they're running and can earn a few extra dollars here and there to help cover college expenses. Is it wrong of me to do this? Is it also wrong of me to hunt for my own food when this saves me a great deal of financial pain?

Prize money is a by product of the ultimate goal of shooting. Not saying its wrong but lets not kid ourselves that it is nothing more than a method to become a better shot so one can kill or simulate a kill with the least amount of shots.

I honestly have no issue with target shooting.

[The Black Forrest]

Or to win money in tournaments? I'm not an expert shot by any means, but I participate in local competitions when they're running and can earn a few extra dollars here and there to help cover college expenses. Is it wrong of me to do this? Is it also wrong of me to hunt for my own food when this saves me a great deal of financial pain?

I have to say, buying a gun so you can make money in tournaments is a shit investment.

*shrugs*

Your opinion. The people who like doing that would say otherwise......

[Frisivisia]

I have to say, buying a gun so you can make money in tournaments is a shit investment.

*shrugs*

Your opinion. The people who like doing that would say otherwise......

No, I'm saying that you are unlikely to win back the money in any reasonable timeframe.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Prize money is a by product of the ultimate goal of shooting. Not saying its wrong but lets not kid ourselves that it is nothing more than a method to become a better shot so one can kill or simulate a kill with the least amount of shots.

Do you feel the same about archery?

I honestly have no issue with target shooting.

Neither do I.

[Nova_Ravenna]

This may sound cold.... but i dont give a flying fuck. Also if somone is enough a lunatic to shoot up a school, they are enough of a lunatic to buy a gun off the black market.

[Swag Jerusalem]

I hope they don't try taking away guns now oh lordy. That being said I feel sorry for those murdered, and there lives are in God's hands now.

[Libertarian California]

*shrugs*

Your opinion. The people who like doing that would say otherwise......

No, I'm saying that you are unlikely to win back the money in any reasonable timeframe.

Buying equipment so you can make money from any sport/hobby is a shit investment.

[Bafuria]

And? Breaking in when occupants are home to rob and or rape them is a Home Invasion.

Home invasion is the act of illegally entering a private and occupied dwelling with violent intent for the purpose of committing a crime against the occupants.

So yeah i think they defined it pretty well.

Burglars dont need to have violent intents to get shot at, if someone breaks another man's window at night and forces himself in, thats enough reason to shoot the burglar.

You only use lethal force when someone is using lethal force against you or if you have a reasonable belief that someone is about to use lethal force against you.

If someone is breaking into your house he's probably after your booze and your stereos. Don't shoot him.

[San-Silvacian]

Have you no heart! Seriously what's wrong with you! This si why we MUST have tighter gun laws not a free for all so that more lunatics can go shooting up even more schools.

Man shoots up primary school, blame gun control advocates.

Seems legit.

From what I can gather, the guy who was the shooter had a metal disorder that makes one very violent.

The mother may have had firearms to protect herself from him and he may have found them due to a lack of gun safety of the mother.

Quiet tragic, but not a cause for tightening of gun control laws. Maybe some more aid to mental disorder research?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Not really because target shooting has one purpose...to increase your shooting proficiency. To become more adept at shooting firearms where the ultimate goal is to kill. Simulated or real.

Fencing only has one purpose...to increase your swordsmanship. To become more adept at using swords, where the ultimate goal is to kill. Simulated or real.

Yep.

[Farnhamia]

This may sound cold.... but i dont give a flying fuck. Also if somone is enough a lunatic to shoot up a school, they are enough of a lunatic to buy a gun off the black market.

The guns were bought by his mother, who was his first victim.

[Gauntleted Fist]

No, I'm saying that you are unlikely to win back the money in any reasonable timeframe.

I paid the firearm off that I use to shoot in six months.

(Of course I live in the south where local, small-scale tournaments happen a lot. I might only win one in fifty, but finishing well is enough usually.)

[Ubermenschklippe]

Target shooting. No death, maiming, or making someone believe that they will be killed or maimed.

I win.

Not really because target shooting has one purpose...to increase your shooting proficiency. To become more adept at shooting firearms where the ultimate goal is to kill. Simulated or real.

If a psychopath opens fire on a group of people, and a bystander with target shooting experience puts a bullet in him sooner rather than later, it solves some problems. Do you deny it?

[Ifreann]

Seriously. My name is Eric Boyd. If I ever die in some spectacular way, please, please, do something more useful than sending prayers and condolences to my family that doesn't know you. Since it would most likely be a plane crash, perhaps something about aircraft safety.

Someone please quote this when the inevitable thread pops up and the inevitable posters show up telling you to stop talking about sensible things that can actually have an impact.

Any thoughts on how long we can wait before making jokes about your death?

[Libertarian California]

Burglars dont need to have violent intents to get shot at, if someone breaks another man's window at night and forces himself in, thats enough reason to shoot the burglar.

You only use lethal force when someone is using lethal force against you or if you have a reasonable belief that someone is about to use lethal force against you.

If someone is breaking into your house he's probably after your booze and your stereos. Don't shoot him.

And let him steal the stuff that you worked and paid for? lol, okay

[Farnhamia]

No, I'm saying that you are unlikely to win back the money in any reasonable timeframe.

I paid the firearm off that I use to shoot in six months.

(Of course I live in the south where local, small-scale tournaments happen a lot. I might only win one in fifty, but finishing well is enough usually.)

How many turkeys did you end up with in your freezer?

[Chernoslavia]

Arming teachers don't seem like a bad idea now.

But I do think it would have been nice if some brave Samaritan packing heat had done something to help.

ehh... no. If teachers are armed I either dont want to attend that school, or Im going to be armed as well when attending.

[Salandriagado]

And I presume you are going to provide me with evidence demonstrating a statistically significant increase, right?

Here ya go. The shootings increase starting in the 1990's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

1900s: 7
1910s: 2
1920s: 3
1930s: 9
1940s: 12
1950s: 19
1960s: 12
1970s: 5
1980s: 18
1990s: 16
2000s: 10
2010s discounted as we don't have a full decade yet, but it has no impact on the result.

No significant increase, by either product-moment or rank correlation tests.

I think you may be misunderstanding the words "source" and "significant".

[The Black Forrest]

No, I'm saying that you are unlikely to win back the money in any reasonable timeframe.

Buying equipment so you can make money from any sport/hobby is a shit investment.

Indeed. I try not to think how much money I spent on martial arts training gear.......