School Shooting in Connecticut - Multiple Fatalities

[Pax Alba]

What I want to know is why did the man even arrive at an elementary school and begin shooting? What makes a person get up one day and decide to attack children no older than 10 years old?

[The Treorai]

Uggghhh... This kind of story makes me sick. Might I remind you people who are arguing over gun control that these kids are K-4th graders. NEITHER SIDE IS A PERMANENT SOLUTION. Get over your petty political squabbles, and realize that these were just kids that got killed because a lone nut decided to walk in a school, and start killing. You people, even more so than the lone nut, have made me lose faith in humanity. Get over your selves.

[Salandriagado]

Nope. Homeschooling usually results in emotionally and socially unready children, and usually involves quite a bit of indoctrination on religion and politics. There's no room for the kid to think, just parent's mind to child's.

What would you rather have? Your child emotionally and socially unready? Or your child killed in a school shooting because of all the violence public schools have?

You mean the basically no violence on that level? Seriously, count the number of school shootings in the last decade, divide by the number of schools. QED.

[Libertarian California]

Second-hand smoke doesn't kill others? Is what people in favor of cigarette bans would say here.

That's why we regulated it. That's why you can't smoke in restaurants anymore. That's why there's the smoking section at the airport. And due to that, second-hand smoking deaths have gone down. Regulation is what we need with guns. We need more.

If guns had anything to do with this, there would have been shitloads of shootings in the early 1900's when a 12 year old could order a rifle in the mail.

[The Zeonic States]

Cheshire, CT.

One example. That's an anecdote.

According to some stats there are over 8,000 Home invasions occuring within the United States EVERY DAY.

[Salandriagado]

One example. That's an anecdote.

According to some stats there are over 8,000 Home invasions occuring within the United States EVERY DAY.

I don't think you're quite getting the idea of a source.

[Libertarian California]

What would you rather have? Your child emotionally and socially unready? Or your child killed in a school shooting because of all the violence public schools have?

You mean the basically no violence on that level? Seriously, count the number of school shootings in the last decade, divide by the number of schools. QED.

The number of shootings is increasing though...

[Ubermenschklippe]

The chance of your kid getting shot in a school shooting are slim to none. That's not a real concern.

I'm sorry, what has this discussion been about?

[Bafuria]

That's one example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daegu_subway_fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_circus_fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Kuwait_wedding_fire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Chengdu_bus_fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Nort ... light_6136

Guns don't kill people, matches do.

[The Black Forrest]

It seems like there are a lot of school shootings in the US. What's up with that?

I've been thinking the same thing. Why are there more this year than usual?

Prior to this year, the only shootings that come to mind are Virginia Tech and Columbine.

But this year:

Aurora Theater
A shooting at a Christian college in California
The Sikh Temple shooting

Happens a great deal and for a long time actually

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

[The Merchant Republics]

So with this shooting, does anyone else think that homeschooling would be a better approach to education?

Nope. Homeschooling usually results in emotionally and socially unready children, and usually involves quite a bit of indoctrination on religion and politics. There's no room for the kid to think, just parent's mind to child's.

I have a lot of very open-minded, very emotionally stable homeschooled friends that would vehemently disagree with you. It's damned near offensive considering some of my best friends and among the most intelligent people I know were homeschooled.

Though if by "socially unready" you meant "polite and moral" which admittedly is so rare that it might as well be socially awkward, I'll agree with you.

That said, I do concede that they have been warped to their parent's views more than most others, though again, considering the quality of your average public school and the misinformation that goes on there, I'll take "thinks the world is 6000 years old" against "doesn't know how to read at 16".

Sorry, sensitive issue, as I said. I have a lot of good friends whom were homeschooled, I don't like to see them disparaged.

[The Zeonic States]

According to some stats there are over 8,000 Home invasions occuring within the United States EVERY DAY.

I don't think you're quite getting the idea of a source.

http://www.articledashboard.com/Article/Home-Invasion-Crime-Statistics/981639

I just think my point got a source

[Northern Dominus]

What I want to know is why did the man even arrive at an elementary school and begin shooting? What makes a person get up one day and decide to attack children no older than 10 years old?

Severe mental issues. I mean really, he had to be in the grip of severe madness of some kind to carry out such a heinous act.

[Salandriagado]

You mean the basically no violence on that level? Seriously, count the number of school shootings in the last decade, divide by the number of schools. QED.

The number of shootings is increasing though...

And I presume you are going to provide me with evidence demonstrating a statistically significant increase, right?

[Gun Manufacturers]

A gun doesn't have one dimension though, most things don't have one dimension.

Its only purpose is to cause the suffering and pain of other human beings. It doesn't do anything besides that.

Um, no.

Hunting firearms don't cause the suffering and pain of other human beings (unless you're quail hunting with Dick Cheney or Robin Yount). Target firearms don't cause the suffering and pain of other human beings (unless you consider me chanting, "I shot better than you today" the entire car ride back from the range suffering).

[Gauntleted Fist]

Nope. Homeschooling usually results in emotionally and socially unready children, and usually involves quite a bit of indoctrination on religion and politics. There's no room for the kid to think, just parent's mind to child's.

I have a lot of very open-minded, very emotionally stable homeschooled friends that would vehemently disagree with you. It's damned near offensive considering some of my best friends and among the most intelligent people I know were homeschooled.

Though if by "socially unready" you meant "polite and moral" which admittedly is so rare that it might as well be socially awkward, I'll agree with you.

That said, I do concede that they have been warped to their parent's views more than most others, though again, considering the quality of your average public school and the misinformation that goes on there, I'll take "thinks the world is 6000 years old" against "doesn't know how to read at 16".

Sorry, sensitive issue, as I said. I have a lot of good friends whom were homeschooled, I don't like to see them disparaged.

Because your anecdotal mystical friends are the only way home schooled people can turn out.

[Erucia]

Uggghhh... This kind of story makes me sick. Might I remind you people who are arguing over gun control that these kids are K-4th graders. NEITHER SIDE IS A PERMANENT SOLUTION. Get over your petty political squabbles, and realize that these were just kids that got killed because a lone nut decided to walk in a school, and start killing. You people, even more so than the lone nut, have made me lose faith in humanity. Get over your selves.

THANK YOU FOR SHOWING SENSE.

Look people. I know more gun regulation is needed. And we can discuss the details later. But right now, show some god damn respect to these victims!

[Salandriagado]

I don't think you're quite getting the idea of a source.

http://www.articledashboard.com/Article/Home-Invasion-Crime-Statistics/981639

I just think my point got a source

Now look at the definition of "home invasion" that they're using.

[Chernoslavia]

Theres also links to federal sources. And yes, actual law-abiding gun owners. If you do not own a firearm and have never even attempted to buy a firearm, let alone even fire one and you deny sources written by people that have more experience with firearms, then yes it is not as biased as some mainstream media sources....especially freaking Washington Post. The media in general is the worst place to get information about gun laws and gun crime.

Your claim of widespread media bias against guns really just invalidates you as a debater. You've asked me to disregard all reputable news sources in favor of this one clearly biased source.

I didnt ask you to do anything if you still wanna pretend that you know everything then go ahead. but if you go into a gunshow you MUST under FEDERAL LAW fill out form 4473 when buying from another ffl seller!

[Gun Manufacturers]

A gun doesn't have one dimension though, most things don't have one dimension.

Please list a use for a gun that doesn't involve killing, maiming, or making someone believe that they will be killed or maimed.

Target shooting. No death, maiming, or making someone believe that they will be killed or maimed.

I win.

[Ifreann]

We're not all American.


Like you're doing? And you are. You're using this tragedy to excoriate us for not behaving as you think it proper.


Why are we posting on an internet forum instead of being productive? Why are you?

Also, e-mail who, exactly?

Extended human family then, good enough? Because I refuse to believe that when tragedy strikes that the effects are felt just in a country or regionally-sized bubble of some kind.

Sure. But the people in Sandy Hook don't need NSG's support. They need the support of their friends, families, and professional grief and trauma councillors. If we all took 24 hours where we didn't post about this, that would make exactly zero difference to anyone except us.

And maybe I am falling into the same trap as the other politicized white noise, but in my defense at least I'm coming down on the side of dropping any pretense and taking care of people who are really vulnerable right now.

But we can't take care of them. And if we could, we could do it and still have this thread.

As for the email...maybe one to the editor of the Newtown Patch would be a good place to start:
http://newtown.patch.com/
Or the Newtown Bee
http://newtownbee.com/SiteMap.aspx

I'm sure there are other ways but newspapers are generally a good place to start.

I suppose.

[Frisivisia]

Your claim of widespread media bias against guns really just invalidates you as a debater. You've asked me to disregard all reputable news sources in favor of this one clearly biased source.

I didnt ask you to do anything if you still wanna pretend that you know everything then go ahead. but if you go into a gunshow you MUST under FEDERAL LAW fill out form 4473 when buying from another ffl seller!

Except when it's not a dealer, but a private seller.

[Libertarian California]

The number of shootings is increasing though...

And I presume you are going to provide me with evidence demonstrating a statistically significant increase, right?

Here ya go. The shootings increase starting in the 1990's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

Obama is being quite emotional on the news. Quite a sad event.

Cue 5000 Freepers mocking him for being a "li(e)beral crybaby".

[Chernoslavia]

Uggghhh... This kind of story makes me sick. Might I remind you people who are arguing over gun control that these kids are K-4th graders. NEITHER SIDE IS A PERMANENT SOLUTION. Get over your petty political squabbles, and realize that these were just kids that got killed because a lone nut decided to walk in a school, and start killing. You people, even more so than the lone nut, have made me lose faith in humanity. Get over your selves.

yeah, yeah...now let the rest of us debate in peace. If you dont want to debate then hit ''logout''. Im pretty sure someone has already said this.