School Shooting in Connecticut - Multiple Fatalities

[Northern Dominus]

Oh for crying out loud, can there be ONE day, ONE DAMN DAY, between a tragedy and the inevitable bullshit politicising? How about stepping back and thinking "You know what, there are people out there in a lot of pain because of this, maybe my energy would be best put to work helping them in some fashion rather than debating what this means to my own personal views."

Is that too much to ask, that maybe we all take care of our extended American, or better yet HUMAN family first who need somebody to lean on and shoulder to cry into, or does every fucking thing no matter how heinous or awful have to become some sort of springboard for somebody to dive off of and into the swirling shitty miasma of "I'm right and this proves it"?

Barring me from baring Arms within the United States will not bring those people back to life and with every shooting incident like this it sparks up the debate again.

It doesn't fucking matter right now! Yours or anybody else's bullshit political stands really don't matter one goddamn red cent at this point, not while there are families in Sandy Hook that are going through the worst sort of pain imaginable! Hell the entire damn town is probably reeling from this sort of act, and the least we can do as DECENT HUMANS is to not make their tragedy into some Alamo for whatever pithy bullshit stand somebody cares to bring up right now.

[The Black Forrest]

Link it please.

The two I listed says shot at home and one said no body at New Jersey.....

This thing.

Interesting. Will see how the story develops.

Everybody rushing to print these days......

[Chernoslavia]

Again, you are not allowed to get any firearm from any gunshow until you fill that 4473. I'm trying to sell my Accuracy International rifle at a gunshow. Under federal and state law, you are not allowed to walk out of that gunstore with a firearm from the gunshow until you fill out that 4473. Even if you don't need to fill out some document, I'm not obligated to sell you a firearm if you happen to just yell out " I need a gun to kill a bunch of peoplz!" I wouldn't even try to sell a gun at a gunshow if you didn't require to sign a form.

I didn't question what you would do. You seem like a very stand-up chap. I'm telling you that you can buy a gun at a gun show from a private seller without filling out form 4473 in most states. 33 states have no regulation on private sales.

"Beginning in the early 2000s, gun shows became controversial in the United States.[4][5] Those concerned about these events claim that American gun shows are a primary source of illegally trafficked firearms, both within the United States and abroad.[6][7] Those supporting gun shows include gun clubs and their membership, especially the National Rifle Association, and their response has been massive because they feel their Second Amendment rights are being jeopardized.[8][9]
U.S. federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or those who are "engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and perform background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI prior to transferring a firearm. Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).
Those seeking to close the "Gun Show Loophole" argue that it provides convicted felons and other prohibited purchasers (i.e., domestic abusers, substance abusers, those who have been adjudicated as "mental defectives," etc.) with opportunities to evade background checks, as they can easily buy firearms from private sellers with no accountability or oversight.
Use of the "Gun Show Loophole" has been advocated by terrorists. In the summer of 2011, Adam Yahiye Gadah declared that "America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms." He also incorrectly claimed that, "You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card," Gadah urged Western extremists to follow this path. Subsequent news analysis indicated that individuals could not actually buy a fully automatic assault rifle at gun shows, although purchases of semi-automatic handguns and extended magazines remain legal without a criminal background check.[10][11]
The term "Gun Show Loophole" has been contentious with gun rights advocates, however. They claim there is no "loophole," only a long-standing tradition of free commerce between private parties that heretofore has not been restricted in the context of secondary, intrastate firearm sales.[12][13] Furthermore, they argue that the term "Gun Show Loophole" is misleading, as private firearm sellers are not required to perform background checks regardless of location—whether they are at a gun show, a flea market, their home, or anywhere else. They also challenge federal jurisdiction in intrastate transactions between private parties, which they argue exceeds the federal power created by the Commerce Clause.[14]
In July 2009, Representatives Michael Castle and Carolyn McCarthy introduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2009 (H.R. 2324)[15] in the U.S. House of Representatives. Sen. Frank Lautenberg introduced similar legislation, the "Gun Show Background Check Act of 2009"(S. 843), in the U.S. Senate. As of October 2009, the House version of the bill had 35 co-sponsors (mostly Democrats) and the Senate version had 15 co-sponsors, all Democrats.
Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.[16][17]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_ ... ted_States

Here is a better and more trusted source for gun laws having to do with gunshows. Written by actual gun owners. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/1 ... -loophole/

[San Leggera]

No, the father was. The mother was the teacher.

My first bit was from the TV

Fox news.....sorry reported she was shot at home. Not sure it's valid.....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/14/at ... ut-school/

edit

CNN reported the same thing.....

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/sh ... ?hpt=hp_t1

BBC reported that the mother was one of the staff shot at the school.

[Frisivisia]

Barring me from baring Arms within the United States will not bring those people back to life and with every shooting incident like this it sparks up the debate again.

It doesn't fucking matter right now! Yours or anybody else's bullshit political stands really don't matter one goddamn red cent at this point, not while there are families in Sandy Hook that are going through the worst sort of pain imaginable! Hell the entire damn town is probably reeling from this sort of act, and the least we can do as DECENT HUMANS is to not make their tragedy into some Alamo for whatever pithy bullshit stand somebody cares to bring up right now.

If a bridge falls down and people die, should we not question the pittance that we spend on infrastructure? If a pharmaceutical kills some people, should we not talk about recalling it?

[Jocabia]

So other than tightening/loosening gun control, what do you think can be doe to stop incidents like this?

Also, NIS you made me cry,again.

Another Messed up incident but it shouldn't be fuel for Anti gun policies.

Perhaps tighter regulation to access to them but that would be as far as i would be willing to go.

Said the samething about Columbine; Ironically i was within Colorado at a gunshow that very day in 99.

Oh for crying out loud, can there be ONE day, ONE DAMN DAY, between a tragedy and the inevitable bullshit politicising? How about stepping back and thinking "You know what, there are people out there in a lot of pain because of this, maybe my energy would be best put to work helping them in some fashion rather than debating what this means to my own personal views."

Is that too much to ask, that maybe we all take care of our extended American, or better yet HUMAN family first who need somebody to lean on and shoulder to cry into, or does every fucking thing no matter how heinous or awful have to become some sort of springboard for somebody to dive off of and into the swirling shitty miasma of "I'm right and this proves it"?

When is the right time? Every time one of these happens everyone says we shouldn't politicize the tragedy. Every time. And then we do nothing. And then another one happens.

If someone breaks into my house one day and that's definitely the day I'm going to have sit down and seriously consider getting a security system. I'm not going to wait till the situation cools or until I've processed. I'm going to make sure it doesn't happen again. And if someone's broken into my home dozens of times, then I'm going to punch the first person in the face who dares to tell me I have to sit and wring my hands about what happened rather than prevent it in the future. We offered prayers and condolences the last several times this happened. How about we actually take steps to prevent it this time?

[Frisivisia]

I didn't question what you would do. You seem like a very stand-up chap. I'm telling you that you can buy a gun at a gun show from a private seller without filling out form 4473 in most states. 33 states have no regulation on private sales.

"Beginning in the early 2000s, gun shows became controversial in the United States.[4][5] Those concerned about these events claim that American gun shows are a primary source of illegally trafficked firearms, both within the United States and abroad.[6][7] Those supporting gun shows include gun clubs and their membership, especially the National Rifle Association, and their response has been massive because they feel their Second Amendment rights are being jeopardized.[8][9]
U.S. federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or those who are "engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and perform background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI prior to transferring a firearm. Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).
Those seeking to close the "Gun Show Loophole" argue that it provides convicted felons and other prohibited purchasers (i.e., domestic abusers, substance abusers, those who have been adjudicated as "mental defectives," etc.) with opportunities to evade background checks, as they can easily buy firearms from private sellers with no accountability or oversight.
Use of the "Gun Show Loophole" has been advocated by terrorists. In the summer of 2011, Adam Yahiye Gadah declared that "America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms." He also incorrectly claimed that, "You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card," Gadah urged Western extremists to follow this path. Subsequent news analysis indicated that individuals could not actually buy a fully automatic assault rifle at gun shows, although purchases of semi-automatic handguns and extended magazines remain legal without a criminal background check.[10][11]
The term "Gun Show Loophole" has been contentious with gun rights advocates, however. They claim there is no "loophole," only a long-standing tradition of free commerce between private parties that heretofore has not been restricted in the context of secondary, intrastate firearm sales.[12][13] Furthermore, they argue that the term "Gun Show Loophole" is misleading, as private firearm sellers are not required to perform background checks regardless of location—whether they are at a gun show, a flea market, their home, or anywhere else. They also challenge federal jurisdiction in intrastate transactions between private parties, which they argue exceeds the federal power created by the Commerce Clause.[14]
In July 2009, Representatives Michael Castle and Carolyn McCarthy introduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2009 (H.R. 2324)[15] in the U.S. House of Representatives. Sen. Frank Lautenberg introduced similar legislation, the "Gun Show Background Check Act of 2009"(S. 843), in the U.S. Senate. As of October 2009, the House version of the bill had 35 co-sponsors (mostly Democrats) and the Senate version had 15 co-sponsors, all Democrats.
Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.[16][17]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_ ... ted_States

Here is a better and more trusted source for gun laws having to do with gunshows. Written by actual gun owners. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/1 ... -loophole/

Better by who's standards? Trusted more by who? Written by gunowners, oh, I bet this will be a completely unbiased source about guns!

[Ifreann]

Tighter regulation is what the anti-gun crowd wants. They don't want to ban guns. They don't want to take your guns. Just tighten regulations.

Tell that to the Anti Gun lobbyists telling folks that guns should be banned entirely; As long as those folks are in plain sight then the Anti Gun movement is doomed to be pictured in that light.

The opinions of people who'll judge all proponents of gun control by whatever one or two they've seen or heard calling for a total ban on guns are frankly not worth bothering about. Or do you stay up a night fretting that gun control opponents might be seen in a bad light because of the folks who want literally everyone armed literally all of the time.

[Chernoslavia]

She was a teacher. Just saw a report she was shot at home and then he went to the school and shot the class.

The wikipedia article heavily implies that she was in the class room.

why the hell would anyone rely on a wikipedia source about an incident that just happened and is still being looked into?

[Yes Im Biop]

They get detention, or sent to the principal's office (where they get detention, and maybe a call to the parents). If that doesn't work to stop disruption, the next step is suspension. If it STILL continues, then expulsion should be considered.

On the topic in the OP, I'm still amazed that there aren't procedures in place to help prevent something like this. One of the postal routes I sub for has a middle school, and during school hours the doors are locked (people can get out with no problem, but getting in requires someone from the office to buzz you in after they verify your identity through a security camera).

Or we could regulate guns more, so that schools don't have to double as citadels and armories.

You do realize that he was using Automatic Rifle's Last i heard, Those are very, very , very regulated.

[Ifreann]

Barring me from baring Arms within the United States will not bring those people back to life and with every shooting incident like this it sparks up the debate again.

It doesn't fucking matter right now! Yours or anybody else's bullshit political stands really don't matter one goddamn red cent at this point, not while there are families in Sandy Hook that are going through the worst sort of pain imaginable! Hell the entire damn town is probably reeling from this sort of act, and the least we can do as DECENT HUMANS is to not make their tragedy into some Alamo for whatever pithy bullshit stand somebody cares to bring up right now.

The logout button is at the top right of your page. You're welcome to leave this forum for debate and discussion if you prefer not to debate and discuss.

[Typhlochactas]

The wikipedia article heavily implies that she was in the class room.

why the hell would anyone rely on a wikipedia source about an incident that just happened and is still being looked into?

Wikipedia has citations, genius.

[Frisivisia]

Or we could regulate guns more, so that schools don't have to double as citadels and armories.

You do realize that he was using Automatic Rifle's Last i heard, Those are very, very , very regulated.

Obviously not enough if this guy was able to get ahold of them.

[Neutraligon]

So other than tightening/loosening gun control, what do you think can be doe to stop incidents like this?

Also, NIS you made me cry,again.

Another Messed up incident but it shouldn't be fuel for Anti gun policies.

Perhaps tighter regulation to access to them but that would be as far as i would be willing to go.

Said the samething about Columbine; Ironically i was within Colorado at a gunshow that very day in 99.

Oh for crying out loud, can there be ONE day, ONE DAMN DAY, between a tragedy and the inevitable bullshit politicising? How about stepping back and thinking "You know what, there are people out there in a lot of pain because of this, maybe my energy would be best put to work helping them in some fashion rather than debating what this means to my own personal views."

Is that too much to ask, that maybe we all take care of our extended American, or better yet HUMAN family first who need somebody to lean on and shoulder to cry into, or does every fucking thing no matter how heinous or awful have to become some sort of springboard for somebody to dive off of and into the swirling shitty miasma of "I'm right and this proves it"?

I fail to see how I made a political statement considering I specifically excluded the most controversial response to how do we prevent this from happening again. Seems to me the best time do deal with the issue is when everyone remembers it. So again excluding gun control specifically, how do we make sure this does not happen again so that parents don't have to bury their kids after a bastard shot them up?

[The Zeonic States]

Barring me from baring Arms within the United States will not bring those people back to life and with every shooting incident like this it sparks up the debate again.

It doesn't fucking matter right now! Yours or anybody else's bullshit political stands really don't matter one goddamn red cent at this point, not while there are families in Sandy Hook that are going through the worst sort of pain imaginable! Hell the entire damn town is probably reeling from this sort of act, and the least we can do as DECENT HUMANS is to not make their tragedy into some Alamo for whatever pithy bullshit stand somebody cares to bring up right now.

Have you ever walked into a tiny little village just a few miles off of Kabul and found every man, woman and child behead, burned to a cinder or shot? Have you ever seen a baby no older then a month or two literally burned in a oil drum until it was nothing but a charred mess? It's little eyes just burned right out of its skull? You wouldn't believe how common such a sight is to be honest; It never made the news, the folks that suffered the indigity of that death forgotten by their own people in the fevor of the war.

So Yeah i know how it is to walk on a sight of that horror, But i am not there and there is nothing i can do so don't accuse me of not being a human being just because i don't break down weeping in agony. My politics? Yeah i would prefer to keep my current selection of Firearms, i have spent a small fortune buying and modifiying and tweaking them for personal comfort and standards and You harping that my politics are not needed here, Perhaps thats true but hampering my life will not aid any of those suffering from this. My affairs are my own and that is how it should be.

But i do agree; this shouldn't be a shrine for anti gun lobbyists, but it will be just like Columbine and Virginia tech.

[Jocabia]

Barring me from baring Arms within the United States will not bring those people back to life and with every shooting incident like this it sparks up the debate again.

It doesn't fucking matter right now! Yours or anybody else's bullshit political stands really don't matter one goddamn red cent at this point, not while there are families in Sandy Hook that are going through the worst sort of pain imaginable! Hell the entire damn town is probably reeling from this sort of act, and the least we can do as DECENT HUMANS is to not make their tragedy into some Alamo for whatever pithy bullshit stand somebody cares to bring up right now.

Your outrage doesn't matter right now. No amount of screaming and crying on the internet is going to bring those children back. And no amount of moaning and bemoaning is going to prevent future tragedies. If you want to cry, go cry. No one is stopping you.

[The Merchant Republics]

What would possess a man to shoot children? Ever?

God save us, a world where a man feels justified to shoot school children is a sick one indeed.

As always, gun control and more guns is offered as a solution, but let's be serious, these rare events have little to do with guns either way, it's about mental health.

The very same cases have occurred in nations without high access to firearms with similar fatalities, machetes, swords and hatchets to my memory have all been used in similar events. The unifying factor is the mind of the perpetrator, mentally ill and largely untreated.

[Desperate Measures]

I didn't question what you would do. You seem like a very stand-up chap. I'm telling you that you can buy a gun at a gun show from a private seller without filling out form 4473 in most states. 33 states have no regulation on private sales.

"Beginning in the early 2000s, gun shows became controversial in the United States.[4][5] Those concerned about these events claim that American gun shows are a primary source of illegally trafficked firearms, both within the United States and abroad.[6][7] Those supporting gun shows include gun clubs and their membership, especially the National Rifle Association, and their response has been massive because they feel their Second Amendment rights are being jeopardized.[8][9]
U.S. federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or those who are "engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and perform background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI prior to transferring a firearm. Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms).
Those seeking to close the "Gun Show Loophole" argue that it provides convicted felons and other prohibited purchasers (i.e., domestic abusers, substance abusers, those who have been adjudicated as "mental defectives," etc.) with opportunities to evade background checks, as they can easily buy firearms from private sellers with no accountability or oversight.
Use of the "Gun Show Loophole" has been advocated by terrorists. In the summer of 2011, Adam Yahiye Gadah declared that "America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms." He also incorrectly claimed that, "You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card," Gadah urged Western extremists to follow this path. Subsequent news analysis indicated that individuals could not actually buy a fully automatic assault rifle at gun shows, although purchases of semi-automatic handguns and extended magazines remain legal without a criminal background check.[10][11]
The term "Gun Show Loophole" has been contentious with gun rights advocates, however. They claim there is no "loophole," only a long-standing tradition of free commerce between private parties that heretofore has not been restricted in the context of secondary, intrastate firearm sales.[12][13] Furthermore, they argue that the term "Gun Show Loophole" is misleading, as private firearm sellers are not required to perform background checks regardless of location—whether they are at a gun show, a flea market, their home, or anywhere else. They also challenge federal jurisdiction in intrastate transactions between private parties, which they argue exceeds the federal power created by the Commerce Clause.[14]
In July 2009, Representatives Michael Castle and Carolyn McCarthy introduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2009 (H.R. 2324)[15] in the U.S. House of Representatives. Sen. Frank Lautenberg introduced similar legislation, the "Gun Show Background Check Act of 2009"(S. 843), in the U.S. Senate. As of October 2009, the House version of the bill had 35 co-sponsors (mostly Democrats) and the Senate version had 15 co-sponsors, all Democrats.
Presently, 17 states regulate private firearm sales at gun shows. Seven states require background checks on all gun sales at gun shows (California, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Oregon, New York, Illinois and Colorado). Four states (Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania) require background checks on all handgun, but not long gun, purchasers at gun shows. Six states require individuals to obtain a permit to purchase handguns that involves a background check (Massachusetts, Michigan, North Carolina, Iowa, Nebraska). Certain counties in Florida require background checks on all private sales of handguns at gun shows. The remaining 33 states do not restrict private, intrastate sales of firearms at gun shows in any manner.[16][17]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_shows_ ... ted_States

Here is a better and more trusted source for gun laws having to do with gunshows. Written by actual gun owners. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/1 ... -loophole/

That wonderfully supported what I have been telling you. That you can buy a gun at a gun show from a private owner without filling out forms. Thanks for providing your own trusted source that said what I said.
"The purported loophole that Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand seeks to close: private firearms sales between private individuals. Not dealer to customer, or customer to dealer. Private citizen to private citizen. A transaction which does not require a Form 4473 or a NICS background check."

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Well, that's quite saddening. And I'm sure the next one will be, too.

[Northern Dominus]

It doesn't fucking matter right now! Yours or anybody else's bullshit political stands really don't matter one goddamn red cent at this point, not while there are families in Sandy Hook that are going through the worst sort of pain imaginable! Hell the entire damn town is probably reeling from this sort of act, and the least we can do as DECENT HUMANS is to not make their tragedy into some Alamo for whatever pithy bullshit stand somebody cares to bring up right now.

If a bridge falls down and people die, should we not question the pittance that we spend on infrastructure? If a pharmaceutical kills some people, should we not talk about recalling it?

Eventually yes, but not on the exact day, not while there are people out there in a lot of pain that could use the support of their extended American family right about now.

Instead of standing on the dead bodies to make a goddamn point, maybe that person could use that energy and those thought processes to head to Sandy Hook if they're close enough, volunteer in some way. Maybe they could go to their nearest red cross and donate blood, or make a donation to a local charity. In fact, here's a list of what people can do other than try and make their personal views known while riding on a wave of innocent blood:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 02760.html

Or they can take all that energy, those thought processes, and maybe write an email expressing their heartfelt condolences to the families affected, let them know that they're not alone and Sandy Hook isn't some island in the wake of this tragedy. All are more productive and far more helpful than ballyhooing about who's right and who isn't at the moment.

[Frisivisia]

What would possess a man to shoot children? Ever?

God save us, a world where a man feels justified to shoot school children is a sick one indeed.

As always, gun control and more guns is offered as a solution, but let's be serious, these rare events have little to do with guns either way, it's about mental health.

The very same cases have occurred in nations without high access to firearms with similar fatalities, machetes, swords and hatchets to my memory have all been used in similar events. The unifying factor is the mind of the perpetrator, mentally ill and largely untreated.

Prove that this has little to do with guns. Source that melee weapons have contributed similar numbers of casualties.

[Jocabia]

What would possess a man to shoot children? Ever?

God save us, a world where a man feels justified to shoot school children is a sick one indeed.

As always, gun control and more guns is offered as a solution, but let's be serious, these rare events have little to do with guns either way, it's about mental health.

The very same cases have occurred in nations without high access to firearms with similar fatalities, machetes, swords and hatchets to my memory have all been used in similar events. The unifying factor is the mind of the perpetrator, mentally ill and largely untreated.

I think the massive issue with mental illness going untreated in our country is a great place to start. It's not where I'd end, but I certainly wouldn't mind starting there.

[Frisivisia]

If a bridge falls down and people die, should we not question the pittance that we spend on infrastructure? If a pharmaceutical kills some people, should we not talk about recalling it?

Eventually yes, but not on the exact day, not while there are people out there in a lot of pain that could use the support of their extended American family right about now.

Instead of standing on the dead bodies to make a goddamn point, maybe that person could use that energy and those thought processes to head to Sandy Hook if they're close enough, volunteer in some way. Maybe they could go to their nearest red cross and donate blood, or make a donation to a local charity. In fact, here's a list of what people can do other than try and make their personal views known while riding on a wave of innocent blood:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 02760.html

Or they can take all that energy, those thought processes, and maybe write an email expressing their heartfelt condolences to the families affected, let them know that they're not alone and Sandy Hook isn't some island in the wake of this tragedy. All are more productive and far more helpful than ballyhooing about who's right and who isn't at the moment.

So, what is the standard waiting period to talk about guns?

[Yes Im Biop]

So, the Onion just published a new article on this. They got it right. Very, very right.

Indeed.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-e ... rts,30743/

Well... Yeah that sum's it up nicely

[Bafuria]

What would possess a man to shoot children? Ever?

God save us, a world where a man feels justified to shoot school children is a sick one indeed.

As always, gun control and more guns is offered as a solution, but let's be serious, these rare events have little to do with guns either way, it's about mental health.

The very same cases have occurred in nations without high access to firearms with similar fatalities, machetes, swords and hatchets to my memory have all been used in similar events. The unifying factor is the mind of the perpetrator, mentally ill and largely untreated.

Prove that this has little to do with guns. Source that melee weapons have contributed similar numbers of casualties.

Don't know about melee weapons, but kerosene and matches have killed a similar number of people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire