School Shooting in Connecticut - Multiple Fatalities

[Lunatic Goofballs]

lack of capitalization and unnecessary gaps between each sentence.

this makes strawmen fallacies more believable.

somehow.

I don't see how it is, he argued that if we put weapons in classrooms then people in those rooms can defend themselves.

this is a person that had weapons, and it didn't help.

She was shot four times in her sleep by her son. It doesn't sound like a likely school classroom scenario.

[Farnhamia]

I don't see how it is, he argued that if we put weapons in classrooms then people in those rooms can defend themselves.

this is a person that had weapons, and it didn't help.

She was shot four times in her sleep by her son. It doesn't sound like a likely school classroom scenario.

Damned teachers unions.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

To be fair, if I lived in a country where mass shootings were becoming commonplace, I'd be wanting an arsenal of weaponry, too.

And (not to jump on you but since the door was opened), would you be willing to drill and train with your personal arsenal every single day? To familiarize yourself with not only the foibles of your weapons but also your natural shooting position and how to compensate for arm drift, heart-rate, breathing, sweat dripping in your eyes and a hundred other things that interfere with accuracy under pressure when shooting?

Now ask yourself this; if you're willing, how many people aren't and just want the weapon because it will make them feel safe? What happens when they're suddenly confronted with a psychopath, draws, and fires, and ends up not only wounding the deranged maniac but also killing a child in an adjacent home when they empty the cylinder or magazine in less than a second due to panic fire?

Now repeat that scenario a thousand times over and that's just the start of the price of arming everyone without any sort of standards in place.

Exactly. My jerk reaction, when confronted by sensationaised and (seemingly) increasingly commonplace mass shootings, and threats of mass shootings, would be to arm myself to the teeth. Not necessarily because I think they would be effective protection, but because of the feeling of safety and security.

This obviously isn't an earth-shattering point. Just that I can understand the desire.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Nice strawman.

if it only it was.

Where did I say that? I want to see a link.

[Gun Manufacturers]

lack of capitalization and unnecessary gaps between each sentence.

this makes strawmen fallacies more believable.

somehow.

I don't see how it is, he argued that if we put weapons in classrooms then people in those rooms can defend themselves.

this is a person that had weapons, and it didn't help.

I'm talking about less lethal deterrents (tasers and pepper spray), not firearms.

[Gauthier]

ASB already mentioned that, and I agreed to it. My suggestion for adding a taser and/or a pepper spray gun (in a biometric lock safe) is an additional layer of protection.

And all it takes, like a firearm, is a careless moment where the biometric safe doesn't get closed all the way.

Then all that's left is for a nosy kid to reach in, grab the taser or pepper spray, then use it on one of the other kid for giggles.

And if that's not bad enough, if one of the kids on the receiving end is prone to epileptic seizures or has asthma, then that taser or pepper spray wielded on a little body like that can have suddenly fatal results.

And then the school gets sued, teacher gets fired, outraged parents demand tasers and pepper sprays removed, lather rinse repeat.

[Gun Manufacturers]

ASB already mentioned that, and I agreed to it. My suggestion for adding a taser and/or a pepper spray gun (in a biometric lock safe) is an additional layer of protection.

And all it takes, like a firearm, is a careless moment where the biometric safe doesn't get closed all the way.

Then all that's left is for a nosy kid to reach in, grab the taser or pepper spray, then use it on one of the other kid for giggles.

And if that's not bad enough, if one of the kids on the receiving end is prone to epileptic seizures or has asthma, then that taser or pepper spray wielded on a little body like that can have suddenly fatal results.

Why would the safe be open in the first place, unless there is an incident or during training?

[The UK in Exile]

if it only it was.

Where did I say that? I want to see a link.

its the substance of your argument.

I don't see how it is, he argued that if we put weapons in classrooms then people in those rooms can defend themselves.

this is a person that had weapons, and it didn't help.

I'm talking about less lethal deterrents (tasers and pepper spray), not firearms.

yes, presumably beacause you realise that you'd sound batshit crazy if you were actually suggesting that guns be kept in all classrooms at all times. guns of course being more effective at stopping assailants than LtL (tasers might drop someone more readily but reload slower ) but we both know who is most likely to get tasered.

[The UK in Exile]

And all it takes, like a firearm, is a careless moment where the biometric safe doesn't get closed all the way.

Then all that's left is for a nosy kid to reach in, grab the taser or pepper spray, then use it on one of the other kid for giggles.

And if that's not bad enough, if one of the kids on the receiving end is prone to epileptic seizures or has asthma, then that taser or pepper spray wielded on a little body like that can have suddenly fatal results.

Why would the safe be open in the first place, unless there is an incident or during training?

then why not put a gun in it?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Where did I say that? I want to see a link.

its the substance of your argument.

Person 1: "Where did I say [x]?"
Person 2: "It's what you were trying to say."

And Person 2 was promptly laughed at by the crowd.

[The UK in Exile]

its the substance of your argument.

Person 1: "Where did I say [x]?"
Person 2: "It's what you were trying to say."

And Person 2 was promptly laughed at by the crowd.

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

[Gauthier]

Why would the safe be open in the first place, unless there is an incident or during training?

then why not put a gun in it?

Because school districts can afford handguns as well as training for every single teacher. And let's pretend that there's no such thing as a teacher with issues, or kids who'll be tempted to find a way to get a hold of those handguns.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Person 1: "Where did I say [x]?"
Person 2: "It's what you were trying to say."

And Person 2 was promptly laughed at by the crowd.

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

We're not laughing at YOU.
We're laughing at your argument.

[The UK in Exile]

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

We're not laughing at YOU.
We're laughing at your argument.

now that isn't what you said.

is it my turn to laugh now?

[Occupied Deutschland]

We're not laughing at YOU.
We're laughing at your argument.

now that isn't what you said.

is it my turn to laugh now?

Passive Pronoun versus Direct Object.
Can you differentiate it?

[The UK in Exile]

now that isn't what you said.

is it my turn to laugh now?

Passive Pronoun versus Direct Object.
Can you differentiate it?

No. I find grammar tedious. as I'm sure a cursory glance at my post history will tell you.

[Gauthier]

Passive Pronoun versus Direct Object.
Can you differentiate it?

No. I find grammar tedious. as I'm sure a cursory glance at my post history will tell you.

lol i no rite?

[The UK in Exile]

No. I find grammar tedious. as I'm sure a cursory glance at my post history will tell you.

lol i no rite?

[The Emerald Dawn]

lol i no rite?

MOTHER OF PEARL warn the guy behind you when you're going to duck the sarcasm like that. Almost took my blinking head off.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Where did I say that? I want to see a link.

its the substance of your argument.

I'm talking about less lethal deterrents (tasers and pepper spray), not firearms.

yes, presumably beacause you realise that you'd sound batshit crazy if you were actually suggesting that guns be kept in all classrooms at all times. guns of course being more effective at stopping assailants than LtL (tasers might drop someone more readily but reload slower ) but we both know who is most likely to get tasered.

So, you're making shit up about my position. Gotcha.

[NERVUN]

And all it takes, like a firearm, is a careless moment where the biometric safe doesn't get closed all the way.

Then all that's left is for a nosy kid to reach in, grab the taser or pepper spray, then use it on one of the other kid for giggles.

And if that's not bad enough, if one of the kids on the receiving end is prone to epileptic seizures or has asthma, then that taser or pepper spray wielded on a little body like that can have suddenly fatal results.

Why would the safe be open in the first place, unless there is an incident or during training?

Because schools are just chockfull of students who don't spend a large amount of time breaking things, right?

[Vanum Norendum]

ASB already mentioned that, and I agreed to it. My suggestion for adding a taser and/or a pepper spray gun (in a biometric lock safe) is an additional layer of protection.

And all it takes, like a firearm, is a careless moment where the biometric safe doesn't get closed all the way.

Then all that's left is for a nosy kid to reach in, grab the taser or pepper spray, then use it on one of the other kid for giggles.

And if that's not bad enough, if one of the kids on the receiving end is prone to epileptic seizures or has asthma, then that taser or pepper spray wielded on a little body like that can have suddenly fatal results.

Isn't this a slippery slope?

[Northern Dominus]

And all it takes, like a firearm, is a careless moment where the biometric safe doesn't get closed all the way.

Then all that's left is for a nosy kid to reach in, grab the taser or pepper spray, then use it on one of the other kid for giggles.

And if that's not bad enough, if one of the kids on the receiving end is prone to epileptic seizures or has asthma, then that taser or pepper spray wielded on a little body like that can have suddenly fatal results.

Why would the safe be open in the first place, unless there is an incident or during training?

It would be open, ex potentia, because people are in general screwups. Sooner or later somebody is going to make a mistake, and thats human nature. The issue is human mistakes with harmful or lethal devices around children tend to be exacerbated in a hurry because children, as is their nature, are inquisitive. Those two facets of human nature combined with those devices is a recipe for disaster in some fashion.

[The UK in Exile]

And all it takes, like a firearm, is a careless moment where the biometric safe doesn't get closed all the way.

Then all that's left is for a nosy kid to reach in, grab the taser or pepper spray, then use it on one of the other kid for giggles.

And if that's not bad enough, if one of the kids on the receiving end is prone to epileptic seizures or has asthma, then that taser or pepper spray wielded on a little body like that can have suddenly fatal results.

Isn't this a slippery slope?

only if one considered a tazer in every classroom to be a plateau of sanity to start with.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Why would the safe be open in the first place, unless there is an incident or during training?

then why not put a gun in it?

Because you don't need to worry about ricochets, over-penetration through walls, etc with a taser or pepper spray.