School Shooting in Connecticut - Multiple Fatalities

[Gauthier]

What is this fascination with the myth that a Wild West environment chock full of guns would reduce violent crimes? After all there's a reason it was called the Wild West.

Probably because per capita, there were fewer crimes in the Wild West.

I'm not saying we should go back there. Just that that's why.

Probably per capita back then. Wonder how it would be if the population count is the same as it is now back then?

Also, the closest thing to an automatic weapon they had back then was the Gatling Gun, not something that you can carry in your pocket. Practically all firearms back then were single action.

[The UK in Exile]

Probably because per capita, there were fewer crimes in the Wild West.

I'm not saying we should go back there. Just that that's why.

Probably per capita back then. Wonder how it would be if the population count is the same as it is now back then?

the same, what you mean is, if the population density was the same as back then.

[Northern Dominus]

Oh I just love the macho swagger of the "arm everybody" pundits across the world, especially when they come out of the woodwork after a terrible tragedy like this (here's looking at you Louie Gohmert....among far too many others).

I have to wonder, would these people honestly hold that same position if they'd ever had a firearm pointed at them in a hostile fashion? If, even for a split second, their life potentially hung in the span of a decision on either end of the weapon from either party? If they truly looked down the end of that tube and came to that sudden conclusion that there was a load of grains behind a small metal projectile that could in a moment turn their wives into widows, children into orphans, and deprive their parents of one of their children.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Schools usually have lockdown procedures for situations like this shooting, which means they get cornered in whatever classroom they're currently in (or in whatever classroom they're closest to).

So, what's your plan to help these trapped teachers and students stay alive in that predicament? Apparently asking the assailant nicely doesn't work, so shouldn't the teachers have some method of defending themselves and their students until the police arrive?

or even better yet some method of disarming the assailant! or even better some method to prevent the assailant being armed in the first place! or even better some kind of legal system that regulated the use of firearms in such a manner that there weren't any assailants in the first place! also some kind of agency. that enforced those laws. some kind of law enforcing..... thingy.

it'll come to me, I'm sure.

While you're wishing for gun laws that psychopathic killers will obey, could you wish me up some tacos?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Schools usually have lockdown procedures for situations like this shooting, which means they get cornered in whatever classroom they're currently in (or in whatever classroom they're closest to).

So, what's your plan to help these trapped teachers and students stay alive in that predicament? Apparently asking the assailant nicely doesn't work, so shouldn't the teachers have some method of defending themselves and their students until the police arrive?

or even better yet some method of disarming the assailant! or even better some method to prevent the assailant being armed in the first place! or even better some kind of legal system that regulated the use of firearms in such a manner that there weren't any assailants in the first place! also some kind of agency. that enforced those laws. some kind of law enforcing..... thingy.

it'll come to me, I'm sure.

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

[Frisivisia]

or even better yet some method of disarming the assailant! or even better some method to prevent the assailant being armed in the first place! or even better some kind of legal system that regulated the use of firearms in such a manner that there weren't any assailants in the first place! also some kind of agency. that enforced those laws. some kind of law enforcing..... thingy.

it'll come to me, I'm sure.

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

I started to disregard your argument when you said that the police have no duty to protect people.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Oh I just love the macho swagger of the "arm everybody" pundits across the world, especially when they come out of the woodwork after a terrible tragedy like this (here's looking at you Louie Gohmert....among far too many others).

I have to wonder, would these people honestly hold that same position if they'd ever had a firearm pointed at them in a hostile fashion? If, even for a split second, their life potentially hung in the span of a decision on either end of the weapon from either party? If they truly looked down the end of that tube and came to that sudden conclusion that there was a load of grains behind a small metal projectile that could in a moment turn their wives into widows, children into orphans, and deprive their parents of one of their children.

To be fair, if I lived in a country where mass shootings were becoming commonplace, I'd be wanting an arsenal of weaponry, too.

[Salandriagado]

or even better yet some method of disarming the assailant! or even better some method to prevent the assailant being armed in the first place! or even better some kind of legal system that regulated the use of firearms in such a manner that there weren't any assailants in the first place! also some kind of agency. that enforced those laws. some kind of law enforcing..... thingy.

it'll come to me, I'm sure.

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

Put the police closer, and install panic buttons. They get there quicker and subdue the assailant quicker, reducing deaths vastly more than throwing some random hardware in the schools ever would.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Oh I just love the macho swagger of the "arm everybody" pundits across the world, especially when they come out of the woodwork after a terrible tragedy like this (here's looking at you Louie Gohmert....among far too many others).

I have to wonder, would these people honestly hold that same position if they'd ever had a firearm pointed at them in a hostile fashion? If, even for a split second, their life potentially hung in the span of a decision on either end of the weapon from either party? If they truly looked down the end of that tube and came to that sudden conclusion that there was a load of grains behind a small metal projectile that could in a moment turn their wives into widows, children into orphans, and deprive their parents of one of their children.

To be fair, if I lived in a country where mass shootings were becoming commonplace, I'd be wanting an arsenal of weaponry, too.

Not worth it. I have two weapons, my service weapons. I have them because they are a part of me. Having a weapon in your house just increases the likelyhood of a weapon being used in your house. Unless you're sitting, strapped, every second of every day? It's not going to help you.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

I started to disregard your argument when you said that the police have no duty to protect people.

They don't. So says the DC Court of Appeals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

[Salandriagado]

To be fair, if I lived in a country where mass shootings were becoming commonplace, I'd be wanting an arsenal of weaponry, too.

Not worth it. I have two weapons, my service weapons. I have them because they are a part of me. Having a weapon in your house just increases the likelyhood of a weapon being used in your house. Unless you're sitting, strapped, every second of every day? It's not going to help you.

And, of course, assuming that you don't sleep and are absolutely alert 100% of the time.

[Clams]

Guns arent bad, they should just be harder to aquire.

[The UK in Exile]

or even better yet some method of disarming the assailant! or even better some method to prevent the assailant being armed in the first place! or even better some kind of legal system that regulated the use of firearms in such a manner that there weren't any assailants in the first place! also some kind of agency. that enforced those laws. some kind of law enforcing..... thingy.

it'll come to me, I'm sure.

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

man steals guns from person who had guns.

plainly this is proof that guns prevent crime.

somehow.

[Northern Dominus]

Oh I just love the macho swagger of the "arm everybody" pundits across the world, especially when they come out of the woodwork after a terrible tragedy like this (here's looking at you Louie Gohmert....among far too many others).

I have to wonder, would these people honestly hold that same position if they'd ever had a firearm pointed at them in a hostile fashion? If, even for a split second, their life potentially hung in the span of a decision on either end of the weapon from either party? If they truly looked down the end of that tube and came to that sudden conclusion that there was a load of grains behind a small metal projectile that could in a moment turn their wives into widows, children into orphans, and deprive their parents of one of their children.

To be fair, if I lived in a country where mass shootings were becoming commonplace, I'd be wanting an arsenal of weaponry, too.

And (not to jump on you but since the door was opened), would you be willing to drill and train with your personal arsenal every single day? To familiarize yourself with not only the foibles of your weapons but also your natural shooting position and how to compensate for arm drift, heart-rate, breathing, sweat dripping in your eyes and a hundred other things that interfere with accuracy under pressure when shooting?

Now ask yourself this; if you're willing, how many people aren't and just want the weapon because it will make them feel safe? What happens when they're suddenly confronted with a psychopath, draws, and fires, and ends up not only wounding the deranged maniac but also killing a child in an adjacent home when they empty the cylinder or magazine in less than a second due to panic fire?

Now repeat that scenario a thousand times over and that's just the start of the price of arming everyone without any sort of standards in place.

[Gun Manufacturers]

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

Put the police closer, and install panic buttons. They get there quicker and subdue the assailant quicker, reducing deaths vastly more than throwing some random hardware in the schools ever would.

ASB already mentioned that, and I agreed to it. My suggestion for adding a taser and/or a pepper spray gun (in a biometric lock safe) is an additional layer of protection.

[Gun Manufacturers]

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

I started to disregard your argument when you said that the police have no duty to protect people.

They don't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/polit ... .html?_r=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

[Grinning Dragon]

I started to disregard your argument when you said that the police have no duty to protect people.

They don't. So says the DC Court of Appeals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._ ... f_Columbia

Supreme Court also ruled on this on June 27, 2005

Bigger list http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm

[The UK in Exile]

I started to disregard your argument when you said that the police have no duty to protect people.

They don't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/polit ... .html?_r=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

legally neither do school teachers. yet they thought otherwise.

[Gun Manufacturers]

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

man steals guns from person who had guns.

plainly this is proof that guns prevent crime.

somehow.

Nice strawman.

[Gun Manufacturers]

They don't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/polit ... .html?_r=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales

legally neither do school teachers. yet they thought otherwise.

Well, they were potential targets,too. It's self defense.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

So, you have no plan for when someone steals firearms (which this person did), walks into a school, and starts shooting up the place until the police (whom have no duty to protect people) show up.

man steals guns from person who had guns.

plainly this is proof that guns prevent crime.

somehow.

lack of capitalization and unnecessary gaps between each sentence.

this makes strawmen fallacies more believable.

somehow.

[The UK in Exile]

man steals guns from person who had guns.

plainly this is proof that guns prevent crime.

somehow.

Nice strawman.

if it only it was.

[The UK in Exile]

man steals guns from person who had guns.

plainly this is proof that guns prevent crime.

somehow.

lack of capitalization and unnecessary gaps between each sentence.

this makes strawmen fallacies more believable.

somehow.

I don't see how it is, he argued that if we put weapons in classrooms then people in those rooms can defend themselves.

this is a person that had weapons, and it didn't help.

[Gauthier]

Nice strawman.

if it only it was.

Since shootings still happen despite attempts to restrict guns from criminal and unstable hands, clearly the only solution is MOAR DAKKA.

[Northern Dominus]

Put the police closer, and install panic buttons. They get there quicker and subdue the assailant quicker, reducing deaths vastly more than throwing some random hardware in the schools ever would.

ASB already mentioned that, and I agreed to it. My suggestion for adding a taser and/or a pepper spray gun (in a biometric lock safe) is an additional layer of protection.

And all it takes, like a firearm, is a careless moment where the biometric safe doesn't get closed all the way.

Then all that's left is for a nosy kid to reach in, grab the taser or pepper spray, then use it on one of the other kid for giggles.

And if that's not bad enough, if one of the kids on the receiving end is prone to epileptic seizures or has asthma, then that taser or pepper spray wielded on a little body like that can have suddenly fatal results.