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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:42 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:http://newsthump.com/2012/12/15/us-national-rifle-association-calls-for-ban-on-schools/

it amused me.


Im a member of the NRA and even I think this is a stupid suggestion, but so is banning ''assault weapons''. Plus, I highly doubt the NRA have ever said such a thing.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:24 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:http://newsthump.com/2012/12/15/us-national-rifle-association-calls-for-ban-on-schools/

it amused me.


Im a member of the NRA and even I think this is a stupid suggestion, but so is banning ''assault weapons''. Plus, I highly doubt the NRA have ever said such a thing.


well spotted. you figured out the cunning ruse of this spoof news site. who would have thought that all those other posters would have been taken in by a fake news site that was actually labelled: "UK Spoof news and satire."

you sir, are a cut above the rest.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:26 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:No, here's a better idea: Equip schools with multiple panic buttons (like banks have) and mandate that a police cruiser be within two minutes of every school at all times. Most mass shooting incidents end when law enforcement arrives, either with police taking down the shooter or the shooter committing suicide (as was the case here).

But of course, that solution - which would be a real solution - doesn't satisfy ultra-conservatives, who think it's wrong to "foster dependency" on government, even when it comes to protection (and don't tell me that's bullshit - I've heard NSGers whine about how no one should ever have to depend [or ever even want to depend] on the police for safety). I mean, if we need police, then we likely need government, too - and that would be intolerable, now wouldn't it?


I'd be up for that. Maybe as an addition to that, we can add these less lethal devices to classrooms to slow a potential attacker down, if they breach a classroom door (secured in one of these, maybe). Of course, training would be necessary too.


frankly, I'm surprised that the right to a classroom full of pepper spray isn't already in the constitution.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:32 pm

Looks like the NRA has released a statement.
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:32 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
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I'd be up for that. Maybe as an addition to that, we can add these less lethal devices to classrooms to slow a potential attacker down, if they breach a classroom door (secured in one of these, maybe). Of course, training would be necessary too.


frankly, I'm surprised that the right to a classroom full of pepper spray isn't already in the constitution.


Just install blast doors in every classroom, and take out the windows. Problem solved.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:33 pm

Czechanada wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
frankly, I'm surprised that the right to a classroom full of pepper spray isn't already in the constitution.


Just install blast doors in every classroom, and take out the windows. Problem solved.

Until, of course, we attempt to integrate the Vault Dwellers into the external society.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:36 pm

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Czechanada wrote:
Just install blast doors in every classroom, and take out the windows. Problem solved.

Until, of course, we attempt to integrate the Vault Dwellers into the external society.

Now I want to play Paranoia...
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:40 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
I'd be up for that. Maybe as an addition to that, we can add these less lethal devices to classrooms to slow a potential attacker down, if they breach a classroom door (secured in one of these, maybe). Of course, training would be necessary too.


frankly, I'm surprised that the right to a classroom full of pepper spray isn't already in the constitution.


So, you would rather they huddle in the closets and do NOTHING when they're cornered by an assailant? I'd rather they have SOME method of defending themselves when they're trapped in their classrooms.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:41 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
frankly, I'm surprised that the right to a classroom full of pepper spray isn't already in the constitution.


So, you would rather they huddle in the closets and do NOTHING when they're cornered by an assailant? I'd rather they have SOME method of defending themselves when they're trapped in their classrooms.


:roll: thats totally not a false dichotomy. no siree.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:42 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
frankly, I'm surprised that the right to a classroom full of pepper spray isn't already in the constitution.


So, you would rather they huddle in the closets and do NOTHING when they're cornered by an assailant? I'd rather they have SOME method of defending themselves when they're trapped in their classrooms.

Well, I'll tell you what we need in a panicked classroom when someone is shooting. More shooting!
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:44 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
So, you would rather they huddle in the closets and do NOTHING when they're cornered by an assailant? I'd rather they have SOME method of defending themselves when they're trapped in their classrooms.

Well, I'll tell you what we need in a panicked classroom when someone is shooting. More shooting!


Did you even read my post that he responded to? I didn't suggest firearms in classrooms, just less lethal equipment (tasers and pepper spray guns).
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:46 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
So, you would rather they huddle in the closets and do NOTHING when they're cornered by an assailant? I'd rather they have SOME method of defending themselves when they're trapped in their classrooms.


:roll: thats totally not a false dichotomy. no siree.


So, what's your suggestion then?
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:48 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Well, I'll tell you what we need in a panicked classroom when someone is shooting. More shooting!


Did you even read my post that he responded to? I didn't suggest firearms in classrooms, just less lethal equipment (tasers and pepper spray guns).

Oh, alright, what we need in a panicked classroom is peppersprayed children.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:50 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Did you even read my post that he responded to? I didn't suggest firearms in classrooms, just less lethal equipment (tasers and pepper spray guns).

Oh, alright, what we need in a panicked classroom is peppersprayed children.


its the only way they'll learn.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:51 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
:roll: thats totally not a false dichotomy. no siree.


So, what's your suggestion then?


hey! wouldn't it be great if we mabye tried to prevent them getting cornered in the first place?
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby Iowa the Nation » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:54 pm

If we can't control drugs in school, we can't control guns.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:54 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Did you even read my post that he responded to? I didn't suggest firearms in classrooms, just less lethal equipment (tasers and pepper spray guns).

Oh, alright, what we need in a panicked classroom is peppersprayed children.


It looks like a pretty directed stream to me.

http://youtu.be/ExiHZUSYJcE

As long as the kids are standing behind the teacher when he/she deploys it, there shouldn't be a problem with pepper sprayed children.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:00 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
So, what's your suggestion then?


hey! wouldn't it be great if we mabye tried to prevent them getting cornered in the first place?


Schools usually have lockdown procedures for situations like this shooting, which means they get cornered in whatever classroom they're currently in (or in whatever classroom they're closest to).

So, what's your plan to help these trapped teachers and students stay alive in that predicament? Apparently asking the assailant nicely doesn't work, so shouldn't the teachers have some method of defending themselves and their students until the police arrive?
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Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:01 pm

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The Emerald Dawn wrote:Until, of course, we attempt to integrate the Vault Dwellers into the external society.

Now I want to play Paranoia...

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Postby Czechanada » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:02 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
hey! wouldn't it be great if we mabye tried to prevent them getting cornered in the first place?


Schools usually have lockdown procedures for situations like this shooting, which means they get cornered in whatever classroom they're currently in (or in whatever classroom they're closest to).

So, what's your plan to help these trapped teachers and students stay alive in that predicament? Apparently asking the assailant nicely doesn't work, so shouldn't the teachers have some method of defending themselves and their students?


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Postby Alien Space Bats » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:04 pm

The UEG-Space Command wrote:if a teacher had a gun, it could be used properly to fight school shooters...

Key word: "If..."

If...

If...

If a teacher owned a gun (as I'm sure some do)...

If the teacher who owned that gun was licensed to carry it in public (as I'm sure some are)...

If the teacher who owned that gun and was licensed to carry it in public actually wore it to school...

If the teacher who owned that gun, was licensed to carry it in public, and actually wore it to school elected to leave her class unattended to engage the shooter in gunplay...

If the teacher who owned that gun, was licensed to carry it in public,actually wore it to school, and elected to leave her class unattended to engage the shooter in gunplay managed to prevail over a shooter who was better armed (there's no guarantee that the good guys will win every firefight, you see [the first policewoman on the scene in the Fort Hood shooting was dropped by the shooter and left wounded on the ground])...

See the problem?

The NRA-approved "arm everybody" non-solution to the problem doesn't work because it relies on too many "ifs": Unless we're going to follow through on that solution by damned well demanding that people carry guns around everywhere all the time (on pain of fines, jail, dismissal from their jobs, and/or other sanctions), it's always going to be a crap shoot as to whether an armed citizen is there to stop the violence - because iconic American image of larger-than-life armed heroes aside (and this is what is meant by the "Cult of the Gun", BTW) notwithstanding, most of us don't carry guns around everywhere all the time not because the law says we can't, but because we would simply prefer not to.

I understand that the NRA wants all of us to dream of being Dirty Harry; I understand that the NRA wants all of us to join the "Cult of the Gun". After all, if we did it would be hugely beneficial to the arms industry, which is who the NRA - as a industry interest group - really represents.

But if Virginia Slims ads and the Marlboro Man couldn't get us all to smoke, there's just no fucking way that the NRA is going to get us all to pack heat. Unless they enact laws forcing us to, and they're crazy enough that I could just see them doing that.

A real solution to this problem doesn't rely on random chance.
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Postby Vanum Norendum » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:13 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
The UEG-Space Command wrote:if a teacher had a gun, it could be used properly to fight school shooters...

Key word: "If..."

If...

If...

If a teacher owned a gun (as I'm sure some do)...

If the teacher who owned that gun was licensed to carry it in public (as I'm sure some are)...

If the teacher who owned that gun and was licensed to carry it in public actually wore it to school...

If the teacher who owned that gun, was licensed to carry it in public, and actually wore it to school elected to leave her class unattended to engage the shooter in gunplay...

If the teacher who owned that gun, was licensed to carry it in public,actually wore it to school, and elected to leave her class unattended to engage the shooter in gunplay managed to prevail over a shooter who was better armed (there's no guarantee that the good guys will win every firefight, you see [the first policewoman on the scene in the Fort Hood shooting was dropped by the shooter and left wounded on the ground])...

See the problem?

The NRA-approved "arm everybody" non-solution to the problem doesn't work because it relies on too many "ifs": Unless we're going to follow through on that solution by damned well demanding that people carry guns around everywhere all the time (on pain of fines, jail, dismissal from their jobs, and/or other sanctions), it's always going to be a crap shoot as to whether an armed citizen is there to stop the violence - because iconic American image of larger-than-life armed heroes aside (and this is what is meant by the "Cult of the Gun", BTW) notwithstanding, most of us don't carry guns around everywhere all the time not because the law says we can't, but because we would simply prefer not to.

I understand that the NRA wants all of us to dream of being Dirty Harry; I understand that the NRA wants all of us to join the "Cult of the Gun". After all, if we did it would be hugely beneficial to the arms industry, which is who the NRA - as a industry interest group - really represents.

But if Virginia Slims ads and the Marlboro Man couldn't get us all to smoke, there's just no fucking way that the NRA is going to get us all to pack heat. Unless the enact laws forcing us to, and they're crazy enough that I could just see them doing that.

A real solution to this problem doesn't rely on random chance.


Guns are illegal to be carried into a school, and within 1000 feet around a school due to the GFSZ restrictions.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:18 pm

What is this fascination with the myth that a Wild West environment chock full of guns would reduce violent crimes? After all there's a reason it was called the Wild West.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:18 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
hey! wouldn't it be great if we mabye tried to prevent them getting cornered in the first place?


Schools usually have lockdown procedures for situations like this shooting, which means they get cornered in whatever classroom they're currently in (or in whatever classroom they're closest to).

So, what's your plan to help these trapped teachers and students stay alive in that predicament? Apparently asking the assailant nicely doesn't work, so shouldn't the teachers have some method of defending themselves and their students until the police arrive?


or even better yet some method of disarming the assailant! or even better some method to prevent the assailant being armed in the first place! or even better some kind of legal system that regulated the use of firearms in such a manner that there weren't any assailants in the first place! also some kind of agency. that enforced those laws. some kind of law enforcing..... thingy.

it'll come to me, I'm sure.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:19 pm

Gauthier wrote:What is this fascination with the myth that a Wild West environment chock full of guns would reduce violent crimes? After all there's a reason it was called the Wild West.

Probably because per capita, there were fewer crimes in the Wild West.

I'm not saying we should go back there. Just that that's why.

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