School Shooting in Connecticut - Multiple Fatalities

[The Zeonic States]

It is easy to make pipe bombs.

People should just focus on bombing each other's pipes.

o.o The gutter of 89 still haunts my dreams

[Northern Dominus]

Then they can blame the court for that.

they could, but the republicans had the option of going after pro-2nd amendment activist judges..... or an Obama appointee.

politics trumped sanity again.

These days the two rarely go hand in hand, especially when the Cult of the Gun is concerned.

[Forsher]

It's pretty boring sitting in lockdown. You've got to stay away from the windows and on the ground. No idea why we had a lockdown but they aren't drilled so it was for something.

If the lock down was real I wouldve tried to escape....depending which direction I hear the gunshots. Playing dead makes you an easier target.

There are a number of reasons for a lockdown. Potentially you survive but the gun-man kills all your classmates now he knows where they are... in the implied situation you suggest.

[Northern Dominus]

If the lock down was real I wouldve tried to escape....depending which direction I hear the gunshots. Playing dead makes you an easier target.

There are a number of reasons for a lockdown. Potentially you survive but the gun-man kills all your classmates now he knows where they are... in the implied situation you suggest.

Right, and running out in the hall could potentially put a person right in the line of fire. Plus sounds get compressed and bounced all over the place in confined areas, like halls, so it's easier than everyone wants to believe to get the wrong idea or false information and get themselves killed.

And as you mentioned, there was no warning whatsoever, and this shooter seemed to make a beeline for the classroom without pause, meaning there wasn't a long gap between entry and shooting to begin with.

I really wish people would stop acting internet tough, really. First I very much doubt they've ever had a firearm pointed at them and B. It's highly disrespectful to whip it out and swing it that much considering what transpired.

[The Emerald Dawn]

There are a number of reasons for a lockdown. Potentially you survive but the gun-man kills all your classmates now he knows where they are... in the implied situation you suggest.

Right, and running out in the hall could potentially put a person right in the line of fire. Plus sounds get compressed and bounced all over the place in confined areas, like halls, so it's easier than everyone wants to believe to get the wrong idea or false information and get themselves killed.

And as you mentioned, there was no warning whatsoever, and this shooter seemed to make a beeline for the classroom without pause, meaning there wasn't a long gap between entry and shooting to begin with.

I really wish people would stop acting internet tough, really. First I very much doubt they've ever had a firearm pointed at them and B. It's highly disrespectful to whip it out and swing it that much considering what transpired.

Well, brass tacks, these kids could not have had any training that would have prepared them to handle an open shooter.

The teachers/school staff could...maybe, but honestly I'm not sure how many could be considered effective in a situation with an open shooter.

Short of a "police office" in every school, there really wasn't much that could have been done before the 5-oh rolled in.

[Northern Dominus]

Right, and running out in the hall could potentially put a person right in the line of fire. Plus sounds get compressed and bounced all over the place in confined areas, like halls, so it's easier than everyone wants to believe to get the wrong idea or false information and get themselves killed.

And as you mentioned, there was no warning whatsoever, and this shooter seemed to make a beeline for the classroom without pause, meaning there wasn't a long gap between entry and shooting to begin with.

I really wish people would stop acting internet tough, really. First I very much doubt they've ever had a firearm pointed at them and B. It's highly disrespectful to whip it out and swing it that much considering what transpired.

Well, brass tacks, these kids could not have had any training that would have prepared them to handle an open shooter.

The teachers/school staff could...maybe, but honestly I'm not sure how many could be considered effective in a situation with an open shooter.

Short of a "police office" in every school, there really wasn't much that could have been done before the 5-oh rolled in.

Yeah, teachers are already overburdened for the most part, what with watching 15-30 students for 8 hours a day at least, watching out for their interests, and oh yes, the whole teaching children things like math and science and literature and art and.... you get the idea. The only real way this could have been prevented if there was in fact a liaison officer stationed on the premises or nearby, but even then that's no guarantee.

You know how this could have been prevented? By not stigmatizing mental disease and issues, by mandating that therapy along with drug treatment also be covered on insurance plans, and by addressing the fact that the Cult of the Gun in this country is doing more damage to the 2nd Amendment and the country at large than the Brady Bill ever did.

[Forsher]

Right, and running out in the hall could potentially put a person right in the line of fire. Plus sounds get compressed and bounced all over the place in confined areas, like halls, so it's easier than everyone wants to believe to get the wrong idea or false information and get themselves killed.

And as you mentioned, there was no warning whatsoever, and this shooter seemed to make a beeline for the classroom without pause, meaning there wasn't a long gap between entry and shooting to begin with.

I really wish people would stop acting internet tough, really. First I very much doubt they've ever had a firearm pointed at them and B. It's highly disrespectful to whip it out and swing it that much considering what transpired.

Well, brass tacks, these kids could not have had any training that would have prepared them to handle an open shooter.

The teachers/school staff could...maybe, but honestly I'm not sure how many could be considered effective in a situation with an open shooter.

Short of a "police office" in every school, there really wasn't much that could have been done before the 5-oh rolled in.

Apparently, and this is just what I've heard, a school near me has a police station attached. Of course, our police do not have guns, I have no idea if that's true and we don't have things like this.

My school, does have a constable around for about half the week and apparently the wider town's other secondary school apparently has a larger police presence but, again, I have no idea if that's true.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Well, brass tacks, these kids could not have had any training that would have prepared them to handle an open shooter.

The teachers/school staff could...maybe, but honestly I'm not sure how many could be considered effective in a situation with an open shooter.

Short of a "police office" in every school, there really wasn't much that could have been done before the 5-oh rolled in.

Yeah, teachers are already overburdened for the most part, what with watching 15-30 students for 8 hours a day at least, watching out for their interests, and oh yes, the whole teaching children things like math and science and literature and art and.... you get the idea. The only real way this could have been prevented if there was in fact a liaison officer stationed on the premises or nearby, but even then that's no guarantee.

You know how this could have been prevented? By not stigmatizing mental disease and issues, by mandating that therapy along with drug treatment also be covered on insurance plans, and by addressing the fact that the Cult of the Gun in this country is doing more damage to the 2nd Amendment and the country at large than the Brady Bill ever did.

My favourite part of all of this is the fact that they want to create a national database of people with mental health disorders. You know. For safety.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Well, brass tacks, these kids could not have had any training that would have prepared them to handle an open shooter.

The teachers/school staff could...maybe, but honestly I'm not sure how many could be considered effective in a situation with an open shooter.

Short of a "police office" in every school, there really wasn't much that could have been done before the 5-oh rolled in.

Apparently, and this is just what I've heard, a school near me has a police station attached. Of course, our police do not have guns, I have no idea if that's true and we don't have things like this.

My school, does have a constable around for about half the week and apparently the wider town's other secondary school apparently has a larger police presence but, again, I have no idea if that's true.

My school had several constables within spitting distance, but we had none in the school itself. Probably to avoid making it a target.

[Northern Dominus]

Yeah, teachers are already overburdened for the most part, what with watching 15-30 students for 8 hours a day at least, watching out for their interests, and oh yes, the whole teaching children things like math and science and literature and art and.... you get the idea. The only real way this could have been prevented if there was in fact a liaison officer stationed on the premises or nearby, but even then that's no guarantee.

You know how this could have been prevented? By not stigmatizing mental disease and issues, by mandating that therapy along with drug treatment also be covered on insurance plans, and by addressing the fact that the Cult of the Gun in this country is doing more damage to the 2nd Amendment and the country at large than the Brady Bill ever did.

My favourite part of all of this is the fact that they want to create a national database of people with mental health disorders. You know. For safety.

Oh yes, as if psycholgical disorders and traumas aren't stigmatizing enough already.

We can have that, but the second anyone even thinks about suggesting a list of registered firearms owners...

[Forsher]

Apparently, and this is just what I've heard, a school near me has a police station attached. Of course, our police do not have guns, I have no idea if that's true and we don't have things like this.

My school, does have a constable around for about half the week and apparently the wider town's other secondary school apparently has a larger police presence but, again, I have no idea if that's true.

My school had several constables within spitting distance, but we had none in the school itself. Probably to avoid making it a target.

If things were ever that bad the SAS are a stone's throw away.

[The Zeonic States]

My favourite part of all of this is the fact that they want to create a national database of people with mental health disorders. You know. For safety.

Oh yes, as if psycholgical disorders and traumas aren't stigmatizing enough already.

We can have that, but the second anyone even thinks about suggesting a list of registered firearms owners...

I wouldn't mind a National Data base of Registered Firearm users; But i fear the Stigma that might come along with being on the list.

[The UK in Exile]

http://newsthump.com/2012/12/15/us-nati ... n-schools/

it amused me.

[The Emerald Dawn]

My favourite part of all of this is the fact that they want to create a national database of people with mental health disorders. You know. For safety.

Oh yes, as if psycholgical disorders and traumas aren't stigmatizing enough already.

We can have that, but the second anyone even thinks about suggesting a list of registered firearms owners...

Tell me about it. I suffer from PTSD (shocking, I know), and I own two weapons (currently, used to have four), when I bring this up people lose their shit. It's fun to watch, really. They don't seem to understand that I can:

A. Be stable, on a good regimen of medication, getting fantastic Mental Health support (Go Veterans Administration! You guys are doing good, keep getting better!), and still have PTSD.
B. Own a weapon without carrying it on me.
C. Be pro-gun registration, and pro-gun.
D. In a wheelchair.

My stigmas have stigmas.

[Gauthier]

No, because our current laws do not permit such prosecutions. ATF went to the US attorneys several times with what they thought were good cases, but the lawyers did not think the cases could succeed given the fucked-up way our laws are.

No, it's because ATF told the gunshop owners that they can sell them, even though they warned ATF about the person. It's part of Operation Fast and Furious.

A significant factor in Operation Fast and Furious being an epic fail was Arizona gun laws being looser than Paris Hilton on a bender.

[The Zeonic States]

http://newsthump.com/2012/12/15/us-national-rifle-association-calls-for-ban-on-schools/

it amused me.

Is that Legit?

._. I am so fucking glad i never joined the NRA

[The Emerald Dawn]

http://newsthump.com/2012/12/15/us-national-rifle-association-calls-for-ban-on-schools/

it amused me.

Is that Legit?

._. I am so fucking glad i never joined the NRA

Yeah no, this is like The Onion.

[The Corparation]

http://newsthump.com/2012/12/15/us-national-rifle-association-calls-for-ban-on-schools/

it amused me.

Is that Legit?

._. I am so fucking glad i never joined the NRA

Look at the Top of the page. Spoof News and Satire. I think that this establishes them as a premier news-source.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

It seems like there are a lot of school shootings in the US. What's up with that?

High population. That's most of it. School shooters (and the majority of other rampage killers) don't typically fit into the profile of much of what actually constitutes gun crime.

Gun control needs a new name. I'm well in favour of 'controlling' (at least registered and monitoring) the existing guns and tightening up purchase legislature, but certainly not all-out bans of vague descriptions of weapons that aren't even true (yes, I'm looking at you, Assault Weapon Ban).

The DVLA here in England have a system where if you don't declare your car as privately sold and pass them their information, any official costs from whatever charge is associated with the vehicle out of your possession got straight to you.
A similar situation in the states, where if a firearm you sell privately (as at present, it is not required to notify the ATF/FBI/whoever you'd like to mention when a firearm is sold privately, only from a vendor) is later used in a crime, you ought to be partway brought up on the charge to that (accessory negligent homicide, perhaps?), unless ATF/FBI/whoever ought be necessary have been notified.

[The Zeonic States]

Oh yes, as if psycholgical disorders and traumas aren't stigmatizing enough already.

We can have that, but the second anyone even thinks about suggesting a list of registered firearms owners...

Tell me about it. I suffer from PTSD (shocking, I know), and I own two weapons (currently, used to have four), when I bring this up people lose their shit. It's fun to watch, really. They don't seem to understand that I can:

A. Be stable, on a good regimen of medication, getting fantastic Mental Health support (Go Veterans Administration! You guys are doing good, keep getting better!), and still have PTSD.
B. Own a weapon without carrying it on me.
C. Be pro-gun registration, and pro-gun.
D. In a wheelchair.

My stigmas have stigmas.

Suffering PTSD? I know that feeling very well; But i completely agree that you can carry on a normal responsible life with it. Having being discharged for that reason among others i know the feeling people just expect you to go to pieces and go on a killing rampage at any moment.

And although i do have a valid conceal carry premit i rarely bring a firearm on my person, I agree with the idea of gun registration and i am VERY pro Gun.

I have no expreince with being in a wheel chair for an extended period of time; I was in one for about a month due to the surgies being done on my leg after the knee cap was removed and replaced but apart from that i cannot compare anything in my life to being mobility restricted. But i agree strongly with Your points because they resonate with me very well.

[The Zeonic States]

Is that Legit?

._. I am so fucking glad i never joined the NRA

Look at the Top of the page. Spoof News and Satire. I think that this establishes them as a premier news-source.

<_< I feel kind of relieved but still not going to join the NRA

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Well, brass tacks, these kids could not have had any training that would have prepared them to handle an open shooter.

The teachers/school staff could...maybe, but honestly I'm not sure how many could be considered effective in a situation with an open shooter.

Short of a "police office" in every school, there really wasn't much that could have been done before the 5-oh rolled in.

Apparently, and this is just what I've heard, a school near me has a police station attached. Of course, our police do not have guns, I have no idea if that's true and we don't have things like this.

My school, does have a constable around for about half the week and apparently the wider town's other secondary school apparently has a larger police presence but, again, I have no idea if that's true.

While we certainly didn't have a police office attached (the only station I know of serves my area plus more, and is six miles away), though my primary school certainly did have some sort of 'neighbourhood bobby'. Came to the school like three times a month for assemblies.
Don't know if there was some kind of programme, or the guy was just friendly with the school.

[Tmutarakhan]

No, because our current laws do not permit such prosecutions. ATF went to the US attorneys several times with what they thought were good cases, but the lawyers did not think the cases could succeed given the fucked-up way our laws are.

No, it's because ATF told the gunshop owners

correctly

that they can sell them,

because that's how the laws are

even though they warned ATF about the person. It's part of Operation Fast and Furious.

The operation was designed to see if any of the Mexican drug lords would make one of the slipups that make it possible to prosecute. None of them did. That's because all that the law requires is that the straw purchaser claim, while in the store, an intention to purchase the guns for himself. He can of course "change his mind" as soon as he has possession of the guns. Think that's a very stupid loophole? Complain to the Republicans in Congress: they're the ones who insist on keeping the law that way.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Apparently, and this is just what I've heard, a school near me has a police station attached. Of course, our police do not have guns, I have no idea if that's true and we don't have things like this.

My school, does have a constable around for about half the week and apparently the wider town's other secondary school apparently has a larger police presence but, again, I have no idea if that's true.

While we certainly didn't have a police office attached (the only station I know of serves my area plus more, and is six miles away), though my primary school certainly did have some sort of 'neighbourhood bobby'. Came to the school like three times a month for assemblies.
Don't know if there was some kind of programme, or the guy was just friendly with the school.

Never a bad idea to have an official officer come through and make friendly with the kids. It shows them that they can bring problems to them, and trust the officers to help them in cases of abuse or distress.

[Northern Dominus]

Oh yes, as if psycholgical disorders and traumas aren't stigmatizing enough already.

We can have that, but the second anyone even thinks about suggesting a list of registered firearms owners...

Tell me about it. I suffer from PTSD (shocking, I know), and I own two weapons (currently, used to have four), when I bring this up people lose their shit. It's fun to watch, really. They don't seem to understand that I can:

A. Be stable, on a good regimen of medication, getting fantastic Mental Health support (Go Veterans Administration! You guys are doing good, keep getting better!), and still have PTSD.
B. Own a weapon without carrying it on me.
C. Be pro-gun registration, and pro-gun.
D. In a wheelchair.

My stigmas have stigmas.

Fuck me, how do you get out of bed every morning without looking in the mirror, realize you're the subject of a particular Green Day Song from the mid 90s, then go right back into bed?

But really, veteran myself, do as much work as I can for Wounded Warriors. It's good that you know you're not alone.