School Shooting in Connecticut - Multiple Fatalities

[Farnhamia]

ITGs, expert marksmen, trained survivalists, and can outmanuever an out of control automobile.

It's really funny because you never see expert marksmen and trained survivalist bragging about how awesomely they would perform in a situation like this.

It's like sex, the more someone talks about it ...

[The Black Forrest]

Yes, I suppose that's true. And earlier this afternoon a very irresponsible person opened fire on a room full of people. Bad things don't happen until they do, what's your point?

My point is that a responsible person wouldn't kill innocent people, unless of course, by a freak accident.

Responsible people do stupid things all the time.

Responsible people have accidentally shot family members while thinking they had an intruder.....

[Galloism]

It's really funny because you never see expert marksmen and trained survivalist bragging about how awesomely they would perform in a situation like this.

It's like sex, the more someone talks about it ...

Hey now.

[Kapellen]

I'm sorry, my blood sugar must be low or something but I thought bad things upon seeing "draw your weapon."

You don't know how many people I've kept from being in my house simply by drawing my weapon. It works. Sadly.

My god. Suppose someone wants to be in your house.

[Farnhamia]

It's stunning to see that people would immediately bring politics into a tragedy like what happened on the first page of this thread.

This is NSG. *boots you into a very deep pit*

[Farnhamia]

It's like sex, the more someone talks about it ...

Hey now.

The exception proves the rule.

[Neutraligon]

They don't keep an eye on the door. Also, the weapon would be a small pistol they carry in a holster.

When a shooter is on campus, the teachers are alerted via an intercom and they help students barricade themselves inside classrooms (that's what we're taught now).

Now, imagine that, on top of the teacher pointing a gun at the entrance to the room, which where if the shooter happens to get the through the barricade, the teacher puts him down.

And who is watching the campus?

There are many factors. Kids not liking the gun, parents not liking the gun. The teacher being competent with the gun.

It's not the simple solution you think it is.....

Let alone training the teacher to actually shoot someone. How long does it take for the military to train soldiers to fire on other humans?

[The Black Forrest]

It's stunning to see that people would immediately bring politics into a tragedy like what happened on the first page of this thread.

This is NSG. *boots you into a very deep pit*

*stands at the top of the pit*

It puts the lotion on it's skin.

[Gauntleted Fist]

It's stunning to see that people would immediately bring politics into a tragedy like what happened on the first page of this thread.

How long have you been on NSG? This is the modus operandai here.

It's really funny because you never see expert marksmen and trained survivalist bragging about how awesomely they would perform in a situation like this.

It's like sex, the more someone talks about it ...

Yes, exactly.

[Neo Art]

Or they "put down" a first responder trying to help or escape the gunman. Or a student trying to escape the gunman. But no, they're responsible, and responsible people aren't affected by extreme stress situations, and can sniff out bad guys who need shooting.

Better than the current system where they get killed anyways.

Who the fuck is "they"?

Millions, literally, millions of children, preschool through 12th grade, go to school, every day in this country. The number who die in a shooting incident almost never breaks 100 a year. This tragedy is one of the largest in our history and 26 died. 26 is a tragedy, it's a gaping knawing wound in our nation.

But statistically it's an insignificant figure.

And your idea to save the lives of the, again, being totally honest here, statistically miniscule number of lives who will be lost in school related shootings, is to, nationwide, have people carry around deadly weapons while spending their days interacting with little children.

I have no more explicit ways to say this, but your idea is fucking stupid.

[Inky Noodles]

It's stunning to see that people would immediately bring politics into a tragedy like what happened on the first page of this thread.

This is NSG. *boots you into a very deep pit*

Just saying that it isn't right.
Instead of pondering over the lives lost the thread went straight into people pointing fingers.
I would have thought an event like this would not lead to blaming anyone/anything on site.

[Ifreann]

Or they "put down" a first responder trying to help or escape the gunman. Or a student trying to escape the gunman. But no, they're responsible, and responsible people aren't affected by extreme stress situations, and can sniff out bad guys who need shooting.

Better than the current system where they get killed anyways.

I'm not seeing anything better at all.

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It's stunning to see that people would immediately bring politics into a tragedy like what happened on the first page of this thread.

You must be new here.

[Inky Noodles]

It's stunning to see that people would immediately bring politics into a tragedy like what happened on the first page of this thread.

How long have you been on NSG? This is the modus operandai here.

It's like sex, the more someone talks about it ...

Yes, exactly.

Since '08. My old nation was DEAT'd.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Fair enough I was struggling trying to grok your post...

To be honest I think it is a hard choice. For example the Aurora shooting (enclosed space, smoke, mass confusion) even an expert shooter (I mean like even in the top 100) would have a real struggle to not shoot an innocent. However in other situations, like Gifford, there is a good chance that one could do good. However the caveats are so massive than in no way can it be taken to mean that Joe "Sunday Target Range Shooter" Blow could or should get involved.

There was an armed person at the Giffords shooting. I forget if he's heard the shots or simply walked out of one of the stores to see the aftermath, but he started to draw his weapon until he realized he'd be drawing on the people subduing the gunman. Someone less clear-headed might have added to the tragedy.

Yep....which is why I mentioned the Gifford incident...and you are right...your yahoo gunslinger would have ended up shooting the wrong people.

[Norstal]

Yes, I suppose that's true. And earlier this afternoon a very irresponsible person opened fire on a room full of people. Bad things don't happen until they do, what's your point?

My point is that a responsible person wouldn't kill innocent people, unless of course, by a freak accident.

Giving teachers guns, giving students guns, does not prevent the creation of irresponsible people. I don't understand your point.

[Ifreann]

This is NSG. *boots you into a very deep pit*

Just saying that it isn't right.
Instead of pondering over the lives lost the thread went straight into people pointing fingers.
I would have thought an event like this would not lead to blaming anyone/anything on site.

If you want to ponder lives lost, consider your local house of worship, your local public house, or your local facebook page.

[Inky Noodles]

My point is that a responsible person wouldn't kill innocent people, unless of course, by a freak accident.

Giving teachers guns, giving students guns, does not prevent the creation of irresponsible people. I don't understand your point.

Were only human. Even the people who seem the most normal might have a wicked and sick dark side. Just giving anyone a gun is a danger. Even a soldier.

[Galloism]

Giving teachers guns, giving students guns, does not prevent the creation of irresponsible people. I don't understand your point.

Were only human. Even the people who seem the most normal might have a wicked and sick dark side.

You think so?

[Inky Noodles]

Were only human. Even the people who seem the most normal might have a wicked and sick dark side.

You think so?

... oh shut up!

[Farnhamia]

Just saying that it isn't right.
Instead of pondering over the lives lost the thread went straight into people pointing fingers.
I would have thought an event like this would not lead to blaming anyone/anything on site.

If you want to ponder lives lost, consider your local house of worship, your local public house, or your local facebook page.

Seriously. NSG is not conducive to deep, spiritual contemplation.

[Kapellen]

By now, it's plain obvious that something is completely wrong in the US. If US citizens continue to think that everything that's going on is 'normal', they might consider moving to other nations in the world, and, by doing so, save their children. No, not to Iraq. But to Sweden, or Switzerland, or Belgium, or Greece, or...

[Gauntleted Fist]

Since '08. My old nation was DEAT'd.

Then you should know by now that NSG is for discussion and debate about pretty much anything. The age of a tragedy doesn't change that. From five decades ago to six hours ago.

[Galloism]

If you want to ponder lives lost, consider your local house of worship, your local public house, or your local facebook page.

Seriously. NSG is not conducive to deep, spiritual contemplation.

I have engaged in millennia of deep, spiritual contemplation.

And I'd recommend it to anyone.

[Bobbyland420]

The "progressive" types always love to use these tragedies as opportunities to further their political agenda. It's pretty messed up, but I guess that's politics.

[The Black Forrest]

Were only human. Even the people who seem the most normal might have a wicked and sick dark side.

You think so?

The dark side has cookies!