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What Is Obama Really?

Communist
16
3%
Anti-American
25
5%
Supporter Of Traditional America
36
7%
Best President
67
13%
Worst President
30
6%
Globalist
72
14%
Plain Old Jerk
25
5%
Demon
18
4%
Decent Politician
194
38%
IDK
27
5%
 
Total votes : 510

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Postby Zaras » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:59 pm

Doctor Strangelove wrote:Herr Obama, if zis is hiz real name, iz a Kommunist!


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Postby Khadgar » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:02 pm

Zaras wrote:
Doctor Strangelove wrote:Herr Obama, if zis is hiz real name, iz a Kommunist!


Mein Führer, I can walk!


Why the hell that movie isn't on Netflix I'll never know.

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Postby Balkan Communities » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:13 pm

I still can't grasp how do many Americans immediately proclaim EVERYTHING that isn't perfectly laissez-fairre capitalism as a form of Marxism.

You people don't know what Marxism even is.

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Postby SaintB » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:18 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:Obama is disgustingly liberal, his support of abortion legislation and LBGTism is grotesque. Also his foreign policy is weak.

Actually your refusal to accept that people are different than you is what is grotesque. As for weak foreign policy I'd like to see what people think is so weak about it.
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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:20 pm

I voted best and worst president, because fuck everyone.
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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:20 pm

SaintB wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Obama is disgustingly liberal, his support of abortion legislation and LBGTism is grotesque. Also his foreign policy is weak.

Actually your refusal to accept that people are different than you is what is grotesque. As for weak foreign policy I'd like to see what people think is so weak about it.

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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:23 pm

You obviously have no fucking clue what communism is.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:28 pm

Khadgar wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Mein Führer, I can walk!


Why the hell that movie isn't on Netflix I'll never know.

Actually, it is.
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Postby Meryuma » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:29 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:Obama is disgustingly liberal, his support of abortion legislation and LBGTism is grotesque.


You know what's grotesque? Your immature need to make every debate center around your hatred of socially marginalized groups you find yucky, and your attempted justification using a combination of 50s gender roles and feudal social standards.
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Postby Indira » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:31 pm

Liriena wrote:My only possible response for the OP: :rofl:

Seriously, if Obama were even a Social Democrat, he'd be a lousy one, since corporations and greed as a whole are still as strong in the US as they were under Bush Jr.
So calling him a Communist or a Marxist is not even a stretch...it's an utter absurd, something that no sane individual should be able to say with a straight face.


I think it's intended as satire. Dear Merlin, please let it be satire, because Stars knows the OP's claims make no sense whatsoever otherwise

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Postby Evraim » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:33 pm

Frisivisia wrote:I voted best and worst president, because fuck everyone.

Not without long-term commitment, monsieur! :?

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Postby Al-Amariq » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:34 pm

Ah....here we go.
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Postby Marcurix » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:39 pm

I realize pretty much all of the OP's posts are ridiculous, unsourced and all that, but given his apparent political affiliation, why is Obama supporting NAFTA a bad thing for them?
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:42 pm

Marcurix wrote:I realize pretty much all of the OP's posts are ridiculous, unsourced and all that, but given his apparent political affiliation, why is Obama supporting NAFTA a bad thing for them?

Because free trade is only a good thing when Republicans do it.

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Postby Salandriagado » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:56 pm

1. Socialized medicine on an unprecidented scale.


Not true.

2. Tax the evil rich.


Not at all.

3. Redistribute the wealth.


Towards the rich, so far.

4. Control Economy.
5. Regulate business within an inch of their lives.
6. Control stock market.


Deregulated on all fronts.

7. GM takeover.


Actually, despite demands from Republicans, Obama refused straight up financial aid, and encouraged Chapter 11 bankruptcy instead.

8. Unions become gigantic leftist political machines.


Not true.

9. Incite class hatred.


Not true.

10. Bills that take down freedom of speech like SOPA.


Republican proposal.

11. Gun control.


Hasn't happened at all, unfortunately.

12. Less judicial freedom.


Not true in any way, shape or form.

13. Political scandels with his agenda written all over them.


Name one.

14. Media takeover.


Doesn't exist.

15. Demonize free enterprise.


Not true.

16. Massive welfare increases.


No, actually.

17. Higher taxes on all disguised by taxing the rich.


Nope, not true.

18. Income taxes for middle income planned to go over 50%.


This is a lie.

19. Income taxes for higher income people planned to go over 75%.


This has come out of your arse.

20. Continuing support for NAFTA.


Hold on a minute. How, exactly, is a Free Trade agreement socialist? You may also want to notice that the supporters of that bill included 132 republicans and 102 democrats in the house, and 34 republicans and 27 democrats in the senate.

21. Suspiscously marxist cabinet members like Annita Dunn


Not, in any way, marxist. Rather the opposite, actually.

and Van Jones.


Not in Obama's cabinet.

22. Manipulation of American culture.


Source it.

23. Indoctrination through change in education.


What change in education, precisely?

24. Massive socialist propaganda campaigns.


Kindly provide a single example.

25. Anti-americanism apology tours?! (srsly WTF!?)


Never fucking happened.

26. Bill Aires.


What about him?

27. Reverand Jerimiah Wright.


What about him?

28. Less importance to religion.


I wish.

29. Governemnt is the answer to all your problems.


Says who?

30. Political puppets all demonizing opposing party and kicking out traditional Democrats.


Name one person that's been kicked out of the Democratic party. Name one political puppet. Name one Republican Obama has "demonised".

Need I say anymore?


Something true would be nice.

The guy worships the ground Marx and Engels walked on.


Bullshit.

How you people did not see that is beyond me.

Why did I not vote for him? Now you know. To all you goldfish out there tho, here is a challenge.
PROVE ME WRONG!


Easy. One word: source?

Barack Obama is an anti-semite, anti-white, black supremacist and a friend of the black hitler Louis Farrakhan.


Utter garbage.

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_31778.php


Actual source, with facts in it, like, say, somethign Obama has actually said? A video or official transcript of him saying it would be nice.

Obama is disgustingly liberal, his support of abortion legislation and LBGTism is grotesque. Also his foreign policy is weak.


Right, OP. You see that quote there ^? Notice how it mentions actual facts and clearly states that it is a pure opinion? Do that. It makes you look vaguely credible. Obviously, it would be better if there were reasons for it, but let's not try to run before we can walk.

Obamacare is a perfect example of how Socialist Barack Obama is.


You mean a corporatist handout to big business written by a Republican think tank and first implemented by a Republican governor? I'm confused.

1. Socialized medicine on an unprecidented scale.
America's current system is a socialism. When an uninsured person goes to emergency room and can't pay, hospital eats up the bill and pass it to the rest of you. That's why premiums are high. In a "socialized" healthcare, everyone who can pay will pay for the healthcare, in current system, even you can afford insurance, if you are diagnosed in an emergency room and can't pay, hospital will eat up the bill. That is, from what I know.


There are some small nuggets of truth in here, but the critical point - that this situation is the reason for high premiums - is straight up bullshit.

He, like every President since Johnson, is an unabashed globalist. His approach may seem different but altogether intention is the very same.


Good. Anything else makes no sense in the modern world.

I could prattle on about obtuse EPA methods of oil market manipulation, creeping fascism, encroachment of the Chinese, the Amero, or something else half-cocked, but I don't have nearly enough tinfoil for that. I am simply not a fan of a country so deeply invested worldwide that its withdrawal is all but impossible, even though damages as a result have placed the buck squarely on the shoulder of my great grandchildren. Or something like that. I like to try and imagine a country that elected Goldwater and went from there, however wishful thinking is a bad way to waste the day.


Every country in the last several hundred years has been "so deeply invested worldwide that its withdrawal is all but impossible". It is literally not possible to have it any other way.
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Postby SaintB » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:58 pm

1. Socialized medicine on an unprecidented scale.
Here we go folks! A federal mandate that everyone must have their own PRIVATE insurance policy is socialism?

2. Tax the evil rich.
3. Redistribute the wealth.
A two percent increase on income taxes for people making 500,000 or more won't effect them but will earn about 4 or 5 hundred billion dollars. That's not wealth redistribution.

4. Control Economy.
5. Regulate business within an inch of their lives.
6. Control stock market.
7. GM takeover.
We don't have a control economy; the government does not limit all that is made or how, we have a mixed economy and have had it for over a hundred years. Businesses are not regulated within an inch of their lives - they post record profits even with all safety and pollution standards they must meet. The Government has NO control over the stock market. Finally, GM was not taken over, it was lent billions of dollars that it has already paid back, hundreds of thousands of people kept their jobs, and the industry is as strong as ever.

8. Unions become gigantic leftist political machines.
Just because their purpose is to protect the workers and give them the ability to set a price on their labor does not make them leftist, hell if you want to get technical there is nothing more capitalist than being able to demand money for your work.

9. Incite class hatred.
That has nothing to do with the President.

10. Bills that take down freedom of speech like SOPA.
A Republican Bill that has little support and will likely never leave committee. What does this have to do with the President?

11. Gun control.
Obama signed a bill into law that allows people to carry concealed weapons in national parks. That is the ONLY gun legislation he has ever had cross his desk. He also has never said anything about firearms in any of his agendas.

12. Less judicial freedom.
What the fuck you think this means I do not even begin to know. The judiciary is the same as ever.

13. Political scandels with his agenda written all over them.
Source one. A real one, not one of those made up ones like Ambassador Rice. You mean the birth certificate don't you? Also made up...

14. Media takeover.
When did the government cease the news media I must have missed that while I was busy being bombarded with bullshit by all the private media sources?

15. Demonize free enterprise.
When and how?

16. Massive welfare increases.
If you mean massive increases in spending in mandatory government programs like unemployment after the housing bubble exploded... it was MANDATORY spending. The department of Welfare hasn't seen a budget increase in years.

17. Higher taxes on all disguised by taxing the rich.
A 2% increase on a select group of people is a tax increase one everyone?

18. Income taxes for middle income planned to go over 50%.
19. Income taxes for higher income people planned to go over 75%.
Those are bullshit numbers pulled out of a pundits ass with no factual value or bases.

20. Continuing support for NAFTA.
Support for free trade is suddenly something only a Marxist would do?

21. Suspiscously marxist cabinet members like Annita Dunn and Van Jones.
You don't even know what a fucking marxist is so why should I believe you?

22. Manipulation of American culture.
Where, how?

23. Indoctrination through change in education.
Exactly what changes are we talking about? You know that education in the US is handled by the state's right?

24. Massive socialist propaganda campaigns.
Show me one.

25. Anti-americanism apology tours?! (srsly WTF!?)
I've never seen the President make a single Anti-American statement, unless apologizing for being wrong is suddenly against America's values.

26. Bill Aires.
Who? Do you mean Bill Ayers? The guy that now President Obama once talked to at that function full of politicians, lawyers, and college professors that one time? The dude who said the war in Vietnam was bad right? And so?

27. Reverand Jerimiah Wright.
Learn to spell. Reverend Jeremiah Wright said some stupid shit but how does that become the President's fault? Not everyone believes everything their preacher says, I know its hard to believe.

28. Less importance to religion.
Say what?

29. Governemnt is the answer to all your problems.
Nobody ever said that.

30. Political puppets all demonizing opposing party and kicking out traditional Democrats.
That happens in both parties all the damn time.
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Postby Cvtopia » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:35 pm

Where's the option for "authoritarian bully, just like every president before him".

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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:37 pm

The Kal Empire wrote:Obamacare is a perfect example of how Socialist Barack Obama is.

True. And the answer is "not at all".
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Postby Evraim » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:38 pm

Cvtopia wrote:Where's the option for "authoritarian bully, just like every president before him".

Even William Harrison?

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Postby Khadgar » Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:50 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:
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Why the hell that movie isn't on Netflix I'll never know.

Actually, it is.


Yeah DVD only, the bastards.

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Postby Valkalan » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:17 pm

Marshonia wrote:Now a lot of people will blow this off as a load of crap, but if you open your eyes and embrace truth, you will see the light. The man is a communist, why? I don't need to look at his history of pre-politics to tell you like D'nesh Desouza did. Just look at his so called "agenda".

1. Socialized medicine on an unprecidented scale.
2. Tax the evil rich.
3. Redistribute the wealth.
4. Control Economy.
5. Regulate business within an inch of their lives.
6. Control stock market.
7. GM takeover.
8. Unions become gigantic leftist political machines.
9. Incite class hatred.
10. Bills that take down freedom of speech like SOPA.
11. Gun control.
12. Less judicial freedom.
13. Political scandels with his agenda written all over them.
14. Media takeover.
15. Demonize free enterprise.
16. Massive welfare increases.
17. Higher taxes on all disguised by taxing the rich.
18. Income taxes for middle income planned to go over 50%.
19. Income taxes for higher income people planned to go over 75%.
20. Continuing support for NAFTA.
21. Suspiscously marxist cabinet members like Annita Dunn and Van Jones.
22. Manipulation of American culture.
23. Indoctrination through change in education.
24. Massive socialist propaganda campaigns.
25. Anti-americanism apology tours?! (srsly WTF!?)
26. Bill Aires.
27. Reverand Jerimiah Wright.
28. Less importance to religion.
29. Governemnt is the answer to all your problems.
30. Political puppets all demonizing opposing party and kicking out traditional Democrats.

Need I say anymore?

The guy worships the ground Marx and Engels walked on. How you people did not see that is beyond me.

Why did I not vote for him? Now you know. To all you goldfish out there tho, here is a challenge.
PROVE ME WRONG!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=192oEC5TX_Q

I'm sure that you're already familiar with the "you didn't build it" speech. Karl Marx acknowledged the ingenuity of the bourgeoisie as they displaced the power of traditional aristocrats via the power of industry. As far as the father of communism is concerned you did in fact build it. Obama is beyond communist.

Obama's solution to economic downturn has been to increase deficit spending, meaning that the economy is being kept on life support via the use of wealth that doesn't actually exist. In order to do this without totally sapping the credit supply, the FED must print new money out of thin air creating inflation. The skyrocketing cost of living will in the long-run defeat the purpose of any social spending or economic stimulus. And now with the incoming financial cliff there's talk of tax increases. This would be the last nail in the coffin of an already dying economy.

Kudos to you for seeing beyond the propaganda.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:20 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:How come every right-winger on the forum knows deep in their heart that Obama is a communist nazi kenyan african foreign marxist socialist whatever?

Why don't we have any clever right-wingers who regularly post "Obama is pushing a policy I disagree with"?

Because I don't regularly post. And neither do other reasonable people. It often seems that discussion of issues on both sides of the aisle is dominated by those who are unreasonable.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:25 pm

Valkalan wrote:
Marshonia wrote:Now a lot of people will blow this off as a load of crap, but if you open your eyes and embrace truth, you will see the light. The man is a communist, why? I don't need to look at his history of pre-politics to tell you like D'nesh Desouza did. Just look at his so called "agenda".

1. Socialized medicine on an unprecidented scale.
2. Tax the evil rich.
3. Redistribute the wealth.
4. Control Economy.
5. Regulate business within an inch of their lives.
6. Control stock market.
7. GM takeover.
8. Unions become gigantic leftist political machines.
9. Incite class hatred.
10. Bills that take down freedom of speech like SOPA.
11. Gun control.
12. Less judicial freedom.
13. Political scandels with his agenda written all over them.
14. Media takeover.
15. Demonize free enterprise.
16. Massive welfare increases.
17. Higher taxes on all disguised by taxing the rich.
18. Income taxes for middle income planned to go over 50%.
19. Income taxes for higher income people planned to go over 75%.
20. Continuing support for NAFTA.
21. Suspiscously marxist cabinet members like Annita Dunn and Van Jones.
22. Manipulation of American culture.
23. Indoctrination through change in education.
24. Massive socialist propaganda campaigns.
25. Anti-americanism apology tours?! (srsly WTF!?)
26. Bill Aires.
27. Reverand Jerimiah Wright.
28. Less importance to religion.
29. Governemnt is the answer to all your problems.
30. Political puppets all demonizing opposing party and kicking out traditional Democrats.

Need I say anymore?

The guy worships the ground Marx and Engels walked on. How you people did not see that is beyond me.

Why did I not vote for him? Now you know. To all you goldfish out there tho, here is a challenge.
PROVE ME WRONG!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=192oEC5TX_Q

I'm sure that you're already familiar with the "you didn't build it" speech. Karl Marx acknowledged the ingenuity of the bourgeoisie as they displaced the power of traditional aristocrats via the power of industry. As far as the father of communism is concerned you did in fact build it. Obama is beyond communist.

Obama's solution to economic downturn has been to increase deficit spending, meaning that the economy is being kept on life support via the use of wealth that doesn't actually exist. In order to do this without totally sapping the credit supply, the FED must print new money out of thin air creating inflation. The skyrocketing cost of living will in the long-run defeat the purpose of any social spending or economic stimulus. And now with the incoming financial cliff there's talk of tax increases. This would be the last nail in the coffin of an already dying economy.

Kudos to you for seeing beyond the propaganda.


Hahaha --- wait, are you being serious?

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:37 pm

1. Socialized medicine on an unprecidented scale.
2. Tax the evil rich.
3. Redistribute the wealth.
4. Control Economy.
5. Regulate business within an inch of their lives.
6. Control stock market.
7. GM takeover.
8. Unions become gigantic leftist political machines.
9. Incite class hatred.
12. Less judicial freedom.
14. Media takeover.
15. Demonize free enterprise.
18. Income taxes for middle income planned to go over 50%.
19. Income taxes for higher income people planned to go over 75%.
22. Manipulation of American culture.
23. Indoctrination through change in education.
24. Massive socialist propaganda campaigns.
25. Anti-americanism apology tours?! (srsly WTF!?)
28. Less importance to religion.
29. Governemnt is the answer to all your problems.
30. Political puppets all demonizing opposing party and kicking out traditional Democrats.

What the fuck? Source and explain these please.
Member of the Free Democratic Party. Not left. Not right. Forward.
Economic Left/Right: -1.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

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