Obama The Communist? May Be More Marxist Than American!

[Olivaero]

You are aware I suppose that this would not be a "raise" on taxing the rich, it's simply the bush era tax cuts ending

Saying that raising taxes on the rich is crazy is crazy.

Kengburg doesn't know shit about economics: in other news, bears shit in woods.

Oh yeah, I know but the least she/he can do is be honest about the platform he/she's pushing. Kenburg also apparently has no idea how much 600,000 dollars is if he thinks it's a piss poor amount... especially if you made it per anum...

[Laerod]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -our-guns/

Seriously, the NRA is convinced Obama is going to outlaw guns, or ammunition, or both. It's kind of hilarious when you realize Obama hasn't done shit to control guns and has let some gun laws lapse without bothering to even attempt renewal. He still gets screamed at as being anti-gun.

Your seriously going to try and refute me with Politifact? A mainstream media, clearly biased source?

Epistemic Closure.

[Caninope]

Saying that raising taxes on the rich is crazy is crazy.

Kengburg doesn't know shit about economics: in other news, bears shit in woods.

I said raising it to 40% is crazy, because that is almost half of a persons income.

The richest don't live off income, but the much lower taxed capital gains.

Just saying.

[Khadgar]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -our-guns/

Seriously, the NRA is convinced Obama is going to outlaw guns, or ammunition, or both. It's kind of hilarious when you realize Obama hasn't done shit to control guns and has let some gun laws lapse without bothering to even attempt renewal. He still gets screamed at as being anti-gun.

Your seriously going to try and refute me with Politifact? A mainstream media, clearly biased source? Ok, it seems to have no real direct comments or advertisements from the NRA. Just summarized hearsay with straw man arguments. They aren't in an open forum with the NRA to discuss or refute these claims, so straw man (unless you can show me where the NRA actually made these statements/advertisements. Posts on this site are not direct source material and thus, inadmissible).

However, I would like to cite the UN Treaty that Hillary is looking at can easily make gun owners very wary.

You ignored Lareod, That's rude.

[Mavorpen]

Your seriously going to try and refute me with Politifact? A mainstream media, clearly biased source? Ok, it seems to have no real direct comments or advertisements from the NRA. Just summarized hearsay with straw man arguments. They aren't in an open forum with the NRA to discuss or refute these claims, so straw man (unless you can show me where the NRA actually made these statements/advertisements. Posts on this site are not direct source material and thus, inadmissible).

Please, if you're going to make such a shitty argument, make sure you're right.

[Kengburg]

But I gtg for lunch anyway, be back at 2 or something.

[Laerod]

If you're not interested in addressing the debt problem, kindly remove yourself from the conversation.

I meant to say we do not need to raise taxes that much, for so little money, and putting the raises as a priority over cutting spending

Citation needed.

[Evraim]

oppressors

Oh, please. No one is oppressing you.

Relevant.

[Mavorpen]

I said raising it to 40% is crazy, because that is almost half of a persons income.

Top income tax rates in the 1950s were 91%. Nobody whined.

...Why do people leave out the part where the loopholes made the effective tax rate much lower than 91%?

[Divair]

Top income tax rates in the 1950s were 91%. Nobody whined.

...Why do people leave out the part where the loopholes made the effective tax rate much lower than 91%?

What was and what is the effective tax rate, btw?

[Zweite Alaje]

Top income tax rates in the 1950s were 91%. Nobody whined.

...Why do people leave out the part where the loopholes made the effective tax rate much lower than 91%?

Because it's convinient.

[Sdaeriji]

Top income tax rates in the 1950s were 91%. Nobody whined.

...Why do people leave out the part where the loopholes made the effective tax rate much lower than 91%?

Because loopholes today make the effective tax rate lower than 34%, too.

[Caninope]

If you're not interested in addressing the debt problem, kindly remove yourself from the conversation.

I meant to say we do not need to raise taxes that much, for so little money, and putting the raises as a priority over cutting spending

Please tell me what we're supposed to cut. I'd like a rather detailed list, if you could.

The problem with the deficit increasing so much between FY2007 and FY2009 was the sudden drop in revenue. Source: (Now Jim DeMint's) Heritage Foundation

[Zaras]

Top income tax rates in the 1950s were 91%. Nobody whined.

...Why do people leave out the part where the loopholes made the effective tax rate much lower than 91%?

Because I don't know what the effective tax rate is, and I love reminding people that y'know, rich people weren't ridiculously oppressed between 1933-1980 and the US economy prospered with high taxation rates.

[Mavorpen]

...Why do people leave out the part where the loopholes made the effective tax rate much lower than 91%?

What was and what is the effective tax rate, btw?

I don't remember. I've read both 36% and 50%.

[Olivaero]

You are aware I suppose that this would not be a "raise" on taxing the rich, it's simply the bush era tax cuts ending

Which would raise the taxes on the rich, we do not need that money and Obama is advertising it as a "fair share", also he is putting it as a priority over spending cuts as seen in the negotiations in Washington DC

It's funny because at that rate that you so despise is the rate that Clinton balanced the USA's books, you do need the money, the rich don't need the money. Spending cuts would be bad because poor people depend on that money or they die. Be it from lack of food or lack of proper medical care or just plain exposure. The rich however are in no danger of slipping through the cracks because they have Guess what? A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY.

[Caninope]

Do we really have each other though? /existential crisis

Well, I give myself to you unequivocally... in an entirely Platonic way. [/nonexistential crisis]

Can I have all of nothing?

[Zaras]

...Why do people leave out the part where the loopholes made the effective tax rate much lower than 91%?

Because it's convinient.

Nice try, but no. It's because I have no idea what the effective tax rate was. I'm guessing it was above 50% though.

[Gallogach]

Your seriously going to try and refute me with Politifact? A mainstream media, clearly biased source? Ok, it seems to have no real direct comments or advertisements from the NRA. Just summarized hearsay with straw man arguments. They aren't in an open forum with the NRA to discuss or refute these claims, so straw man (unless you can show me where the NRA actually made these statements/advertisements. Posts on this site are not direct source material and thus, inadmissible).

However, I would like to cite the UN Treaty that Hillary is looking at can easily make gun owners very wary.

You ignored Lareod, That's rude.

Where?

[Zaras]

What was and what is the effective tax rate, btw?

I don't remember. I've read both 36% and 50%.

Missed by a bit.

[Laerod]

You ignored Lareod, That's rude.

Where?

viewtopic.php?p=12050039#p12050039

Not that I expect you to read any of it, given your explicit denial of reality.

[Dyakovo]

I couldn't care less if they can marry or not.

So you don't care for equality.

Well, he is a (supposedly former) fascist...

[Mavorpen]

I don't remember. I've read both 36% and 50%.

Missed by a bit.

Yeah, I'm willing to put my money on the 50ish range.

So your argument still holds weight, that raising taxes won't crush the rich.

[Eirenia]

Oh, please. No one is oppressing you.

Relevant.

I seem to have wholly missed Saitama's post. Thanks for clearing up that queer people are not oppressed i was terribly confused I'll go explain it to the 40% of homeless youth who are queer
or to all the people in states without employment and housing non-discrimination
oh and this? pish posh what is oppression

Seriously, you need to come up with a better argument than "You are not an oppressed class."

[LeftNightmare]

Ignoring the OP, I think Obama is a socialist or just a pseudo-socialist. He associated himself with way too many weirdos and bozos for starters. We don't know what he's really thinking because it isn't politically prudent to say you're a socialist. However, redistributing wealth is about as close as you can get to eliminating it completely, as Marx wanted.