Obama The Communist? May Be More Marxist Than American!

[Zaras]

8. Obama is not Kenyan, he was born in Hawaii

You say that as if Hawaii were a real state. It's a myth like South Dakota or Canada.

Or Idaho.

[Kengburg]

8. Obama is not Kenyan, he was born in Hawaii

You say that as if Hawaii were a real state. It's a myth like South Dakota or Canada.

Either way it is owned by the US, and its people are considered US citizens

[Eirenia]

You say that as if Hawaii were a real state. It's a myth like South Dakota or Canada.

Either way it is owned by the US, and its people are considered US citizens

No, it doesn't exist.

[Olivaero]

6. Raising taxes on the rich to 40% is crazy, that is above anyones "fair share" which a "fair share" should not be in taxation because taxation is on a base of what the government needs, not what anyone "should" pay, so do not use the term "fair share". Also the necessity of this tax raise is somewhat invisible to me.
1. It would only run the government for 14 days
2. It would be taking nearly half of the rich's income, if you made 1,000,000 youd have 600,000.
3. The liberals have made this a priority over spending cuts
4. We are in a deficit because of spending, not a lack of taxation

You are aware I suppose that this would not be a "raise" on taxing the rich, it's simply the bush era tax cuts ending

[Evraim]

How come every right-winger on the forum knows deep in their heart that Obama is a communist nazi kenyan african foreign marxist socialist whatever?

Why don't we have any clever right-wingers who regularly post "Obama is pushing a policy I disagree with"?

Do I not exist anymore?

Neither you or I exist anymore, Cani.

At least we have each other!

[Zaras]

6. Raising taxes on the rich to 40% is crazy, that is above anyones "fair share" which a "fair share" should not be in taxation because taxation is on a base of what the government needs, not what anyone "should" pay, so do not use the term "fair share". Also the necessity of this tax raise is somewhat invisible to me.
1. It would only run the government for 14 days
2. It would be taking nearly half of the rich's income, if you made 1,000,000 youd have 600,000.
3. The liberals have made this a priority over spending cuts
4. We are in a deficit because of spending, not a lack of taxation

You are aware I suppose that this would not be a "raise" on taxing the rich, it's simply the bush era tax cuts ending

Saying that raising taxes on the rich is crazy is crazy.

Kengburg doesn't know shit about economics: in other news, bears shit in woods.

[Laerod]

...Which doesn't refute his post. The NRA has been spouting, "OBAMA TAKEN UR GUNS!" for years now, when no such thing has happened.

Please show me this NRA advertisement spouting this.

Doesn't take advertisements:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ ... _guns.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/ins ... -2nd-term/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/2 ... 03446.html

Actually, found an advertisement too:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/0 ... 48409.html

[San Leggera]

How come every right-winger on the forum knows deep in their heart that Obama is a communist nazi kenyan african foreign marxist socialist whatever?

Why don't we have any clever right-wingers who regularly post "Obama is pushing a policy I disagree with"?

Do I not exist anymore?

Jacob Marley, is that you?

[Kengburg]

6. Raising taxes on the rich to 40% is crazy, that is above anyones "fair share" which a "fair share" should not be in taxation because taxation is on a base of what the government needs, not what anyone "should" pay, so do not use the term "fair share". Also the necessity of this tax raise is somewhat invisible to me.
1. It would only run the government for 14 days
2. It would be taking nearly half of the rich's income, if you made 1,000,000 youd have 600,000.
3. The liberals have made this a priority over spending cuts
4. We are in a deficit because of spending, not a lack of taxation

You are aware I suppose that this would not be a "raise" on taxing the rich, it's simply the bush era tax cuts ending

Which would raise the taxes on the rich, we do not need that money and Obama is advertising it as a "fair share", also he is putting it as a priority over spending cuts as seen in the negotiations in Washington DC

[Evraim]

You say that as if Hawaii were a real state. It's a myth like South Dakota or Canada.

Or Idaho.

You are not the hoe. Idaho! *terribly corny jokes*

[Caninope]

Do I not exist anymore?

Neither you or I exist anymore, Cani.

At least we have each other!

Do we really have each other though? /existential crisis

[Mavorpen]

...Which doesn't refute his post. The NRA has been spouting, "OBAMA TAKEN UR GUNS!" for years now, when no such thing has happened.

Please show me this NRA advertisement spouting this.

Sure.

[Chinamerica]

Now a lot of people will blow this off as a load of crap, but if you open your eyes and embrace truth, you will see the light. The man is a communist, why? I don't need to look at his history of pre-politics to tell you like D'nesh Desouza did. Just look at his so called "agenda".

1. Socialized medicine on an unprecidented scale.
2. Tax the evil rich.
3. Redistribute the wealth.
4. Control Economy.
5. Regulate business within an inch of their lives.
6. Control stock market.
7. GM takeover.
8. Unions become gigantic leftist political machines.
9. Incite class hatred.
10. Bills that take down freedom of speech like SOPA.
11. Gun control.
12. Less judicial freedom.
13. Political scandels with his agenda written all over them.
14. Media takeover.
15. Demonize free enterprise.
16. Massive welfare increases.
17. Higher taxes on all disguised by taxing the rich.
18. Income taxes for middle income planned to go over 50%.
19. Income taxes for higher income people planned to go over 75%.
20. Continuing support for NAFTA.
21. Suspiscously marxist cabinet members like Annita Dunn and Van Jones.
22. Manipulation of American culture.
23. Indoctrination through change in education.
24. Massive socialist propaganda campaigns.
25. Anti-americanism apology tours?! (srsly WTF!?)
26. Bill Aires.
27. Reverand Jerimiah Wright.
28. Less importance to religion.
29. Governemnt is the answer to all your problems.
30. Political puppets all demonizing opposing party and kicking out traditional Democrats.

Need I say anymore?

The guy worships the ground Marx and Engels walked on. How you people did not see that is beyond me.

Why did I not vote for him? Now you know. To all you goldfish out there tho, here is a challenge.
PROVE ME WRONG!

It is killing quite a few jobs, but America really needs universal healthcare.
2. Tax the evil rich.
I am technically a part of 'the evil rich', and I don't have a problem with it.
3. Redistribute the wealth.
He has said he agrees with redistribution, which is quite disturbing.
4. Control Economy.
Pretty much.
5. Regulate business within an inch of their lives.
Indeed, he's just stagnating the economy.
6. Control stock market.
Also not good.
7. GM takeover.
Needed to happen. It saved thousands of jobs.
8. Unions become gigantic leftist political machines.
Yep.
9. Incite class hatred.
Perhaps.
10. Bills that take down freedom of speech like SOPA.
He didn't author the SOPA bill and he even said that he disagrees with it.
11. Gun control.
Unfortunately, gun control laws have actually loosened since he took office.
12. Less judicial freedom.
How? I don't know about this one, so I wouldn't mind some proof.
13. Political scandels with his agenda written all over them.
Huh?
14. Media takeover.
Most media outlets are very liberal, yes, but I don't know how much of an influence Obama has had over liberalising the media.
15. Demonize free enterprise.
Explain.
16. Massive welfare increases.
Yeah, that's not good since so many people can't be bothered to get a job and just suck the government's warm, fat teet.
17. Higher taxes on all disguised by taxing the rich.
No, the Bush Tax Cuts are still ongoing and there's been a tax cut on most middle-class families.
18. Income taxes for middle income planned to go over 50%.
Not good.
19. Income taxes for higher income people planned to go over 75%.
Not true.
20. Continuing support for NAFTA.
And?
21. Suspiscously marxist cabinet members like Annita Dunn and Van Jones.
Definitely.
22. Manipulation of American culture.
Agreed.
23. Indoctrination through change in education.
How?
24. Massive socialist propaganda campaigns.
Erm...no.
25. Anti-americanism apology tours?! (srsly WTF!?)
Absolutely.
26. Bill Aires.
Excuse me?
27. Reverand Jerimiah Wright.
Huh?
28. Less importance to religion.
Yeah, not to mention he lied about his religion to get in office.
29. Governemnt is the answer to all your problems.
It's terrifying. In the words of Ronald Reagan, the 9 scariest words in the English language are: "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
30. Political puppets all demonizing opposing party and kicking out traditional Democrats.
It's a shame what happened to the Democratic Party. It's far more left-wing than ever before.

[Kengburg]

You are aware I suppose that this would not be a "raise" on taxing the rich, it's simply the bush era tax cuts ending

Saying that raising taxes on the rich is crazy is crazy.

Kengburg doesn't know shit about economics: in other news, bears shit in woods.

I said raising it to 40% is crazy, because that is almost half of a persons income.

[Khadgar]

You are aware I suppose that this would not be a "raise" on taxing the rich, it's simply the bush era tax cuts ending

Which would raise the taxes on the rich, we do not need that money and Obama is advertising it as a "fair share", also he is putting it as a priority over spending cuts as seen in the negotiations in Washington DC

What's he meant to cut? The military? The Republicans will never let that happen, and don't even bother saying entitlements, the biggest one is Social Security.

[Laerod]

You are aware I suppose that this would not be a "raise" on taxing the rich, it's simply the bush era tax cuts ending

Which would raise the taxes on the rich, we do not need that money and Obama is advertising it as a "fair share", also he is putting it as a priority over spending cuts as seen in the negotiations in Washington DC

If you're not interested in addressing the debt problem, kindly remove yourself from the conversation.

[Aglrinia]

• Control stock market.

False despite the fact that Obama has called for tighter stock market reforms Senate, and Congress haven't made it their main priority.

• GM takeover.

Not in the slightest, the Government has no sense of ownership over General Motors what so ever. General Motors was simply bailed out by the United States government, and who started such a trend... oh yeah George W. Bush.

• Unions become gigantic leftist political machines.

Unions have power since the 1930's thanks to Organized Crime in the United States, and their power grew significantly in the 1980's under Ronald Reagan and when John Gotti was known as the Teflon Don just because you're upset that you can no longer have a twinkie doesn't give you reason to point fingers at Obama and call him a "damn commie!" Hostess had its own problems before the union came in.

• Incite class hatred.

No. Just no. See if Obama were a Communist he would promoting unity among the classes and attempting to create a classless system.

• Bills that take down freedom of speech like SOPA.

The Stop Online Piracy Act was proposed by a Republican Congressmen Lamar Smith of Texas, who was later found out to be violating a copyright on his campaign website. Obama even publicly stated that he was against the bill and would veto the bill should it pass in the house.

• Gun control.

Gun control has actually gone somewhat soft during Obama's presidency despite the Colorado theater shootings...

• Less judicial freedom.

Yeah... about that source please?

• Political scandals with his agenda written all over them.

Source...

• Media takeover.

Again source please?

• Demonize free enterprise.

Once again source please?

• Massive welfare increases.

Sources...

• Higher taxes on all disguised by taxing the rich.
• Income taxes for middle income planned to go over 50%.
• Income taxes for higher income people planned to go over 75%.

First off wrong, second it's called the Bush Tax Cuts. Guess what they're coming to end, I have a slight feeling you're too young to pay taxes are rather low at the moment. They're almost at the point where taxes cant be cut anymore. A nation can only have low taxes for so long especially when wars have been paid for on a credit card.

• Continuing support for NAFTA.

What the hell do you have against NAFTA? Why pay to trade with one another if you can do it for free?

• Suspiscously marxist cabinet members like Annita Dunn and Van Jones.

I find it suspicious that you can't spell suspicious... Anyways prove that they're Marxists then i'll get back to you.

• Manipulation of American culture.

How so?

• Indoctrination through change in education.

Proof please.

• Massive socialist propaganda campaigns.

Once again proof please?

• Anti-americanism apology tours?!

Just because you say something time and time again doesn't make it true.

• Bill Ayes.

Do you have any idea how many people opposed the Vietnam War? Everyone had different reasons for opposing it, some opposed it simply due to the fact that it was a war.

• Reverand Jeremiah Wright.

What about him? Even Romney didn't pull that beat that dead horse during his campaign but i'm sure you've got something to share?

• Less importance to religion.

Ever heard of Separation of Church and State... No? Of course you haven't. The United States only hyped up the Church during the red scare to prove to rest of the world that it wasn't a communist state "under god" originally wasn't in the pledge of allegiance. Thomas Jefferson was once quoted saying "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.", While Benjamin Franklin didn't favor religion either he was once quoted saying "Lighthouses are more useful than churches."

• Government is the answer to all your problems.

It is? I wasn't aware of that. Please do go on.

• Political puppets all demonizing opposing party and kicking out traditional Democrats.

Source please.

[Gallogach]

Please show me this NRA advertisement spouting this.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -our-guns/

Seriously, the NRA is convinced Obama is going to outlaw guns, or ammunition, or both. It's kind of hilarious when you realize Obama hasn't done shit to control guns and has let some gun laws lapse without bothering to even attempt renewal. He still gets screamed at as being anti-gun.

Your seriously going to try and refute me with Politifact? A mainstream media, clearly biased source? Ok, it seems to have no real direct comments or advertisements from the NRA. Just summarized hearsay with straw man arguments. They aren't in an open forum with the NRA to discuss or refute these claims, so straw man (unless you can show me where the NRA actually made these statements/advertisements. Posts on this site are not direct source material and thus, inadmissible).

However, I would like to cite the UN Treaty that Hillary is looking at can easily make gun owners very wary.

[Saitama]

oppressors

Oh, please. No one is oppressing you.

>Implying Americans can't be Marxist and vice versa

>Greentexting on NS

Joseph Stalin was a communist as well, and many jews and whites were exterminated in Russian Gulags.

Are you suggesting that people were sent to and killed in gulags because of communism? You're joking, surely?

[Caninope]

Do I not exist anymore?

Jacob Marley, is that you?

I see what you did there!

Anyways, no. I'm the Ghost of Conservatives Yet To Come.

[Khadgar]

Saying that raising taxes on the rich is crazy is crazy.

Kengburg doesn't know shit about economics: in other news, bears shit in woods.

I said raising it to 40% is crazy, because that is almost half of a persons income.

You don't know how tax brackets work do you?

[Kengburg]

Which would raise the taxes on the rich, we do not need that money and Obama is advertising it as a "fair share", also he is putting it as a priority over spending cuts as seen in the negotiations in Washington DC

If you're not interested in addressing the debt problem, kindly remove yourself from the conversation.

I meant to say we do not need to raise taxes that much, for so little money, and putting the raises as a priority over cutting spending

[Evraim]

Neither you or I exist anymore, Cani.

At least we have each other!

Do we really have each other though? /existential crisis

Well, I give myself to you unequivocally... in an entirely Platonic way. [/nonexistential crisis]

[Divair]

Are you suggesting that people were sent to and killed in gulags because of communism? You're joking, surely?

He is implying that Stalin was a communist. Don't take him seriously.

[Zaras]

Saying that raising taxes on the rich is crazy is crazy.

Kengburg doesn't know shit about economics: in other news, bears shit in woods.

I said raising it to 40% is crazy, because that is almost half of a persons income.

Top income tax rates in the 1950s were 91%. Nobody whined.

The rich have the more income, therefore it's only rational to tax them more. You're not gonna get more money out of the poor or the middle class.

9. Incite class hatred.
Perhaps.

They only call it class hatred when the masses stand up to the elites.