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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:49 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'm not seeing any I'm wrong.

All I see is that circlejerks are utterly unproductive.

You are deliberately refusing to accept burden of proof. We don't have to disprove your bullshit statement, you have to prove it.

Not at all. I'm absolutely fine if you don't believe it. It's utterly possible I'm wrong as it is utterly possible you are as well.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:49 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Except that's not the definition of atheism in any dictionary I've ever seen. Did you take that from Conservapedia or something?


''merriam-webster.com''

So you made it up.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:50 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:I'm not seeing any I'm wrong.

All I see is that circlejerks are utterly unproductive.

Except YOU made it into a circle jerk. I actually wanted to debate. Instead, you felt the need to derail the thread into shit to make a point when we ALREADY ended the circle jerk.

Oh, and you're wrong.

So I am.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:50 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:No, pretty wrong.


Atheism ''The theory or belief that God does not exist'' thats pretty much the same definition as nightkill, but with different wording,

except 'Athiesm is a lack of belief in deities even when the proposal of deities is known', is probally a much more accurate definition.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:51 pm

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Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Not at all. I'm absolutely fine if you don't believe it. It's utterly possible I'm wrong as it is utterly possible you are as well.

And since you have no evidence, we can for all intents and purposes say you're wrong.

Enjoy yourself doing so.
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Postby Vortropolis » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:51 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Vortropolis wrote:
Atheism ''The theory or belief that God does not exist'' thats pretty much the same definition as nightkill, but with different wording,

except 'Athiesm is a lack of belief in deities even when the proposal of deities is known', is probally a much more accurate definition.


I don't see a big difference.
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:52 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Sociobiology wrote: except 'Athiesm is a lack of belief in deities even when the proposal of deities is known', is probally a much more accurate definition.


I don't see a big difference.

Atheism isn't the belief in a lack of a God, it's lack of belief in a God.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:52 pm

Vortropolis wrote:
Sociobiology wrote: except 'Athiesm is a lack of belief in deities even when the proposal of deities is known', is probally a much more accurate definition.


I don't see a big difference.

One of them is fallacious, like theism, while the other is logical, like not believing in the walrus beneath the surface of titan.
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Postby Vortropolis » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:52 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Vortropolis wrote:
I don't see a big difference.

Atheism isn't the belief in a lack of a God, it's lack of belief in a God.


Ok, well we should get back to the topic.
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Postby Eoghania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:55 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Vortropolis wrote:
I don't see a big difference.

Atheism isn't the belief in a lack of a God, it's lack of belief in a God.

Theism - the belief that there exists at least one divine being.
Atheism - the belief that divine beings do not exist.
Agnosticism - lack of belief in either of the above.

Atheism is taking a side, just as theism is.
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Postby Bone Fort » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:55 pm

Frisivisia wrote:Atheism isn't the belief in a lack of a God, it's lack of belief in a God.


By that logic, zero isn't a number.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:56 pm

Eoghania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Atheism isn't the belief in a lack of a God, it's lack of belief in a God.

Theism - the belief that there exists at least one divine being.
Atheism - the belief that divine beings do not exist.
Agnosticism - lack of belief in either of the above.

Atheism is taking a side, just as theism is.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definitio ... sh/atheism
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Postby Ossitania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:56 pm

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You're right, it only goes to show your inhumanity when you ridicule my Faith.

Your faith is illogical and silly.

Oh look, I didn't magically turn into a unicorn. Still human.


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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:57 pm

Bone Fort wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Atheism isn't the belief in a lack of a God, it's lack of belief in a God.


By that logic, zero isn't a number.

Except by definition zero isn't "the lack of a number."

Try again.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:59 pm

Eoghania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Atheism isn't the belief in a lack of a God, it's lack of belief in a God.

Theism - the belief that there exists at least one divine being.
Atheism - the belief that divine beings do not exist.
Agnosticism - lack of belief in either of the above.

Atheism is taking a side, just as theism is.

No.
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Postby Eoghania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:59 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Theism - the belief that there exists at least one divine being.
Atheism - the belief that divine beings do not exist.
Agnosticism - lack of belief in either of the above.

Atheism is taking a side, just as theism is.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definitio ... sh/atheism

Huh. I'd always used the define:atheism result - "The theory or belief that God does not exist."
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Postby Bone Fort » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:00 pm

Mavorpen wrote:Except by definition zero isn't "the lack of a number."

Try again.


Sorry, semantics. More accurately it would be:

"No quantity or number; naught; the figure 0."

which, brings us back to what I was saying. Try again.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:00 pm

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Huh. I'd always used the define:atheism result - "The theory or belief that God does not exist."

And it's bullshit.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Eoghania wrote:

Huh. I'd always used the define:atheism result - "The theory or belief that God does not exist."

except it is inherently flawed because that describes Christians as well.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Brekka wrote:
Seperates wrote:Except I don't I've ever heard anyone say that.


I have personally met people who say they are Athiest becuase the Bible offended them.

Well, it is an offensive book full of racism and violence... odd for a book that is supposed to be Holy, but whatever...
However, that's not why I'm an atheist
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Bone Fort wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Except by definition zero isn't "the lack of a number."

Try again.


Sorry, semantics. More accurately it would be:

"No quantity or number; naught; the figure 0."

which, brings us back to what I was saying.

For fuck's sake, stop using that shitty Google dictionary function.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/zero
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Postby Eoghania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Huh. I'd always used the define:atheism result - "The theory or belief that God does not exist."

And it's bullshit.

dictionary.com disagrees, although I suppose that's probably why the wiki article has a whole section on what it actually means.
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Postby Eoghania » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:02 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Huh. I'd always used the define:atheism result - "The theory or belief that God does not exist."

except it is inherently flawed because that describes Christians as well.

Christians believe God does not exist? Are you really going to argue that?
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:02 pm

Eoghania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And it's bullshit.

dictionary.com disagrees, although I suppose that's probably why the wiki article has a whole section on what it actually means.

Dictionary.com is shit.

Not sure why you're trying to compare it with Oxford Dictionaries.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:03 pm

Eoghania wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Atheism isn't the belief in a lack of a God, it's lack of belief in a God.

Theism - the belief that there exists at least one divine being.
Atheism - the belief that divine beings do not exist.
Agnosticism - lack of belief in either of the above.

Atheism is taking a side, just as theism is.


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