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Should incest be legal?

Family members should be allowed to have sexual relationships.
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Family members should be allowed to have sexual relationships and get married.
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Family members should be allowed to have sexual relationships, get married and have children.
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No, absolutely not.
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Total votes : 411

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Mavorpen
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:03 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So...depression should be illegal?


Twist words much and intent?

Your argument was based on shit that could be used to argue against depression being legal. Give us actual reasons to ban incest, then we can debate.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:04 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Twist words much and intent?

Your argument was based on shit that could be used to argue against depression being legal. Give us actual reasons to ban incest, then we can debate.


With that tone, I'm not going to waste my time.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:05 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Your argument was based on shit that could be used to argue against depression being legal. Give us actual reasons to ban incest, then we can debate.


With that tone, I'm not going to waste my time.

That's a fancy way of saying, "I can't do it."
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Khelshar » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:05 pm

As i say about sexuality, the state should not have anything to say about what you put your dick into,(Metaphorically, you get it) EXCEPT children. But i dont give a damn if you marry your sister, so why should the state care?
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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:07 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Cristos Templars wrote:EW!!! HELL TO THE NAW! WHAT THE HELL?! :eyebrow:

It isn't that weird. Most incestuous relationships would likely be cousin-cousin relationships, which exist even now. I, myself, was interested in a cousin for a period of time. It isn't that strange of a thing.


Plus, I don't see why genetics have to be the main issue.

This would mean that my brother, who has diabetes and a family with history of cancer, should be banned from having kids.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:07 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
With that tone, I'm not going to waste my time.

That's a fancy way of saying, "I can't do it."


Your arrogance is not appreciated.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:07 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's a fancy way of saying, "I can't do it."


Your arrogance is not appreciated.

Your refusal to debate is not appreciated.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:08 pm

Khelshar wrote:As i say about sexuality, the state should not have anything to say about what you put your dick into,(Metaphorically, you get it) EXCEPT children. But i dont give a damn if you marry your sister, so why should the state care?

So you should be able to stick your dick in your physically handicapped mother without her consent? What about your emotionally handicapped elder sister? Mentally crippled grandmother?

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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:08 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Your arrogance is not appreciated.

Your refusal to debate is not appreciated.


I debate those who show courtesy to others whilst debating, which you clearly have not displayed. Good day.
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Postby The Mercenary Peoples » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:11 pm

Personally incest is not appealing at all but as for the act of sex between siblings I tend to say as long as both parties are consenting and no one dies then that's their business and their business alone.

I highly doubt that genetic disease would really become a problem the probability for it getting out of hand in any realistic space of time is stupidly low.
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Postby Azhmuur » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:11 pm

Chinamerica wrote:In response to a thread questioning the legality of polygamous marriages, I ask you: should incestuous relationships be legal? It seems a lot of libertarian-minded folk think that any [b]consenting adult should do what they want in the privacy of their homes. Do you think that two adult family members should be able to have a sexual relationship/get married/have kids?[/b]

I think the idea of incest being legal is absolutely ridiculous. Generations of inbreeding limits the gene pool and highly increases the risk of disease. It should never be legalised. What do you guys think?



..any consenting HEALTHY(mentally) adult....
Incest :arrow: not healthy
Not just because of the moral codes, but because "...inbreeding limits the gene pool and highly increases the risk of disease.." soooo that means if they do they'll take the risk of having a mentally and/or physically ill child, so they would harm their children and maybe their granchilden and so on and so on...
Also, I think no one doubt that, two healthy adult whose are close relatives will not have any kind of desire for each other....

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Postby Zohai » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:12 pm

Homosexy wrote:But then there's the whole thing about inbreeding and birth defects. Aren't we trying to further the human race? No?


So do you think disabled people with genetic defects should be prohited from having sexual relationships or kids?

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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:12 pm

Azhmuur wrote:Also, I think no one doubt that, two healthy adult whose are close relatives will not have any kind of desire for each other....

I doubt that.
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Postby Khelshar » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:13 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Khelshar wrote:As i say about sexuality, the state should not have anything to say about what you put your dick into,(Metaphorically, you get it) EXCEPT children. But i dont give a damn if you marry your sister, so why should the state care?

So you should be able to stick your dick in your physically handicapped mother without her consent? What about your emotionally handicapped elder sister? Mentally crippled grandmother?

You know what i meant... I dont think the state should decide who you could marry. But it has to be under legal circumstances. Rape is not ok. But if it is ok for them, it should be ok. Not that i would EVER have sex with anyone in my family... EVER. But as long as it is under legal circumstances, i dont think we should stop people from loving who they want to love. And then who they want to have sex with. And if you want to have sex with your sister, yes, you are sick, but i dont care. As long as no rape or other illegal events happen(like pedophilia)
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Postby Syadei » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:13 pm

I'd say no, Just because I generally believe it is wrong...

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Postby Martean » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:13 pm

Chinamerica wrote:In response to a thread questioning the legality of polygamous marriages, I ask you: should incestuous relationships be legal? It seems a lot of libertarian-minded folk think that any consenting adult should do what they want in the privacy of their homes. Do you think that two adult family members should be able to have a sexual relationship/get married/have kids?

I think the idea of incest being legal is absolutely ridiculous. Generations of inbreeding limits the gene pool and highly increases the risk of disease. It should never be legalised. What do you guys think?


And people with genetic disorders?

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Postby Dermastina » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:14 pm

For what it's worth, I'd point out that incest is actually legal in France. Has been since Napoleon, IIRC, since they haven't bothered to change it since then.

To my knowledge, there hasn't been any adverse affects to it in French society, so we do actually have a model of how it would affect present-day western society: ie. Very little effect.

I do disagree with incestuous couples having children though, since its cruel on the child to give it such obvious avoidable genetic disparities. I'd say the same when it came to serious genetic diseases, too. It's unfair on the child to bear them into a world where they are going to die in 25 years or whatever. There are plenty of Orphans you could help instead, or Sperm Donors if you are really wanting a biological child.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:15 pm

It should remain illegal as it is absolutely disgusting. Family members shouldn't have sexual relationships with eachother.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:16 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:It should remain illegal as it is absolutely disgusting. Family members shouldn't have sexual relationships with eachother.

Disgusting to you, maybe. I imagine those in incestuous relationships find it quite alright.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:16 pm

Khelshar wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:So you should be able to stick your dick in your physically handicapped mother without her consent? What about your emotionally handicapped elder sister? Mentally crippled grandmother?

You know what i meant... I dont think the state should decide who you could marry. But it has to be under legal circumstances. Rape is not ok. But if it is ok for them, it should be ok. Not that i would EVER have sex with anyone in my family... EVER. But as long as it is under legal circumstances, i dont think we should stop people from loving who they want to love. And then who they want to have sex with. And if you want to have sex with your sister, yes, you are sick, but i dont care. As long as no rape or other illegal events happen(like pedophilia)

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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:16 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:It should remain illegal as it is absolutely disgusting. Family members shouldn't have sexual relationships with eachother.

"It should remain illegal as it is absolutely disgusting. Pure, holy, white people shouldn't have sexual relationships with dirty Negros."

You see why your argument is shit, right?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:17 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:It should remain illegal as it is absolutely disgusting. Family members shouldn't have sexual relationships with eachother.

You get to tell my wife she can't ravage me anymore. We're family, and she's....needy.

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Postby Azhmuur » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:18 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Azhmuur wrote:Also, I think no one doubt that, two healthy adult whose are close relatives will not have any kind of desire for each other....

I doubt that.



The keywords were healthy and adults :)

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Postby Nordic Saxony » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:18 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:It should remain illegal as it is absolutely disgusting. Family members shouldn't have sexual relationships with eachother.


No, it is not.

Incest has been going on for millions of years and nothing bad has come out of it.

Royal families are full of incest... we should not be allowed to judge someone based on their feelings for one another as a human being it is not right to do so as we are an advanced species capable of knowing feelings for one another.
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Postby Esternial » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:18 pm

Cristos Templars wrote:EW!!! HELL TO THE NAW! WHAT THE HELL?! :eyebrow:

We know your opinion. Now, if you're not going to add any more to this aside from the "Ew, icky" iteration, I suggest you stand by and see what these good people have to share. Could you unlock the front door to your storage room of opinions and see if someone may be capable of amending a file or add something to the record?

Can you? That would be nice. Thank you :)
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