LGBT Christians, yeah we exist.

[Vazdania]

Its a sacred ceremony between God, and a Man and Woman(traditionally).

It is Polygamy?

No. Its saying to our father that these two people will love each other and attempt to overcome anything together. (traditional words and marriage)

[Olivaero]

Also a side question, Do you eat shellfish?

The parts of Leviticus that are inconvenient to Christians are "open to interpretation." The parts that make it easy to be judgmental toward others are in perfectly clear, black and white language.

Indeed. I really hate it when literalists bring leviticus up. I mean I believe an awful lot of the bible is open to interpretation, I mean it's not a very precise book that's been translated from at least two different languages and then translated again in some cases. So to take any of it without a grain of salt is pretty foolish.

[Geilinor]

The parts of Leviticus that are inconvenient to Christians are "open to interpretation." The parts that make it easy to be judgmental toward others are in perfectly clear, black and white language.

Indeed. I really hate it when literalists bring leviticus up. I mean I believe an awful lot of the bible is open to interpretation, I mean it's not a very precise book that's been translated from at least two different languages and then translated again in some cases. So to take any of it without a grain of salt is pretty foolish.

There should be a disclaimer on the Bible or something , because so many people think they should take it literally.

[CVT Temp]

There should be a disclaimer on the Bible or something , because so many people think they should take it literally.

The Amazing Atheist wrote one into one of the hotel Gideon bibles. As expected from him, it was rather offensive, but somewhat amusing.

[Conserative Morality]

Its a sacred ceremony between God, and a Man and Woman(traditionally).

Traditionally, it's a secular ceremony regarding either the union of two people, or else the transference of a woman as property to another family.

[Seperates]

It is Polygamy?

No. Its saying to our father that these two people will love each other and attempt to overcome anything together. (traditional words and marriage)

Wait... Our father? So I'm marrying my sister?

[Desperate Measures]

No. Its saying to our father that these two people will love each other and attempt to overcome anything together. (traditional words and marriage)

Wait... Our father? So I'm marrying my sister?

And he watches.

[Geilinor]

Wait... Our father? So I'm marrying my sister?

And he watches.

God is supposed to be like a father in Christianity, so it's creepy.

[Vazdania]

And he watches.

God is supposed to be like a father in Christianity, so it's creepy.

-_- I am attempting to stop using G-d, as it is frowned upon by Jews and I now realize that yes they are correct.

[Seperates]

God is supposed to be like a father in Christianity, so it's creepy.

-_- I am attempting to stop using G-d, as it is frowned upon by Jews and I now realize that yes they are correct.

No. I don't understand. What is this 'G-d', or 'Father' or 'God' thing that you keep talking about?

Who is this union between?

[Desperate Measures]

God is supposed to be like a father in Christianity, so it's creepy.

-_- I am attempting to stop using G-d, as it is frowned upon by Jews and I now realize that yes they are correct.

Given his hobbies, I can see why he doesn't want people throwing his real name about.

[Spencopia]

LGBT. Bible says it is literally and I quote "an abomination". ( Leviticus 18:22 ). Am I here to judge other people? Not my job, never will be. Do I agree with it? No
1. I am sure that a repeated sin is not repentance, and so repenting from your sins to follow God is sorta part of the deal. Then again, everybody sins, so I'm just going to do my best. I don't really know what it is like to be LGBT so I can't speak on behalf of your salvation. It is between you and God.
2. Do I support LGBT clergy? Nope. People who lead others need to have their stuff together at least more than the average jane or joe. Therefore, anyone with a repetitive sin in their life shouldn't be on any clergy: whether it be LGBT, stealing, idolatry, or any other commandment broken, or any other sin.
3. Heretics? Gosh no. No one can be perfect. Period.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

[Uiiop]

LGBT. Bible says it is literally and I quote "an abomination". ( Leviticus 18:22 ). Am I here to judge other people? Not my job, never will be. Do I agree with it? No
1. I am sure that a repeated sin is not repentance, and so repenting from your sins to follow God is sorta part of the deal. Then again, everybody sins, so I'm just going to do my best. I don't really know what it is like to be LGBT so I can't speak on behalf of your salvation. It is between you and God.
2. Do I support LGBT clergy? Nope. People who lead others need to have their stuff together at least more than the average jane or joe. Therefore, anyone with a repetitive sin in their life shouldn't be on any clergy: whether it be LGBT, stealing, idolatry, or any other commandment broken, or any other sin.
3. Heretics? Gosh no. No one can be perfect. Period.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

abomination = cultural taboo/advice for Jews/Levis only?
Explain why is it morally wrong without the bible since a nice god should have a good reason to call it a sin.

[Farnhamia]

LGBT. Bible says it is literally and I quote "an abomination". ( Leviticus 18:22 ). Am I here to judge other people? Not my job, never will be. Do I agree with it? No
1. I am sure that a repeated sin is not repentance, and so repenting from your sins to follow God is sorta part of the deal. Then again, everybody sins, so I'm just going to do my best. I don't really know what it is like to be LGBT so I can't speak on behalf of your salvation. It is between you and God.
2. Do I support LGBT clergy? Nope. People who lead others need to have their stuff together at least more than the average jane or joe. Therefore, anyone with a repetitive sin in their life shouldn't be on any clergy: whether it be LGBT, stealing, idolatry, or any other commandment broken, or any other sin.
3. Heretics? Gosh no. No one can be perfect. Period.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

You're hung up on sin. Sin only exists insofar as you accept what you've been told about it by your "god." Realizing that their is no such being frees you from that obsession and allows you to think more clearly about right and wrong.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

LGBT. Bible says it is literally and I quote "an abomination". ( Leviticus 18:22 ). Am I here to judge other people? Not my job, never will be. Do I agree with it? No
1. I am sure that a repeated sin is not repentance, and so repenting from your sins to follow God is sorta part of the deal. Then again, everybody sins, so I'm just going to do my best. I don't really know what it is like to be LGBT so I can't speak on behalf of your salvation. It is between you and God.
2. Do I support LGBT clergy? Nope. People who lead others need to have their stuff together at least more than the average jane or joe. Therefore, anyone with a repetitive sin in their life shouldn't be on any clergy: whether it be LGBT, stealing, idolatry, or any other commandment broken, or any other sin.
3. Heretics? Gosh no. No one can be perfect. Period.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

You're hung up on sin. Sin only exists insofar as you accept what you've been told about it by your "god." Realizing that their is no such being frees you from that obsession and allows you to think more clearly about right and wrong.

I don't think that is necessarily the case. Biblical sin is just a more concrete and widespread criteria of "right" and "wrong" than people develop for themselves. But moral dogma exists with or without religion, and with or without organisation.

And critical evaluation of morality isn't precluded by religious belief.

[Alternalienation]

abomination = cultural taboo/advice for Jews/Levis only?
Explain why is it morally wrong without the bible since a nice god should have a good reason to call it a sin.

As far as i know it, the focus is on the act, not on the nature of the person, starting from the assumption who's doing the act would normally be considered hetero, for an hetero acting in a different way than his/her nature is considered abnormal/strange. Translated in religious terms, sinful.

[Moving Forward Inc]

What defines a Christian?

[Menassa]

What defines a Christian?

I would assume it comes from the word Christian.... breaking that up we have Christ-ian.

[Frisbeeteria]

* snip *

[Moving Forward Inc]

What defines a Christian?

I would assume it comes from the word Christian.... breaking that up we have Christ-ian.

I'm baptized and have gotten holy communion from the Catholic Church, and as far as they are concerned I am a christian.
However, I disagree with the whole religion.

[Menassa]

I would assume it comes from the word Christian.... breaking that up we have Christ-ian.

I'm baptized and have gotten holy communion from the Catholic Church, and as far as they are concerned I am a christian.
However, I disagree with the whole religion.

Well.... if you're asking me if you're Christian or not I can't help you.

As I am a Jew.... and have no idea what constitutes a Christian... again Christ-ian would be my best answer.

[Frisbeeteria]

* snip *

*** Warned for [quoting] a troll-pr0n-spammer and responding with your own trollish response. *** You've been here long enough to know better.

[THE GRAND STATE OF SINUKA]

as for Governments to Legalize Gay Marriages and for a church to do this, its wrong

[Menassa]

as for Governments to Legalize Gay Marriages and for a church to do this, its wrong

Going on your title more than your actual post...... Jesus doesn't say it's a sin but those who come before him do.

[Tsuntion]

What about original sin?

ORIGINAL SIN brought sin into the human race, it made people able to sin. For this reason animals don't sin when they kill. For this reason WE DO sin when we kill. People do NOT carry the sin of Adam and Eve (my opinion)

This confuses me. The ability to sin came into the world after Adam and Eve sinned, okay, but for them to sin at all the ability must have already been there.

...which is not biblical. Unless you can provide a verse/s that justify such a position.

WRONG.

Le proof


Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

But what about Exodus 20:5 - You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Christians adhere to the Bible, yes? And the Bible says that gayness is bad, yes? So if you are gay, you can't be Christian can you? You can believe in a God. You can do the rituals. But you can't really be entirely Christian, can you?

This spoken as a very pro-LGBT person, and a very anti-Christian one.

There aren't any verses I know of that can be interpreted as saying homosexuality itself is a sin, and the concept of sexuality as we understand it today wasn't around. Only homosexual acts are spoken of. Simply being gay doesn't make it impossible to be Christian.

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There is no question that the bible is firmly against homosexualty. God only uses the word "abomination". Homosexualty is one of those very rare moments. It's a clear sin for a man to lay with another man. Like wise with a woman. However, times have changed, and Jesus teaches to love everyone, pray for everyone, try to change ALL sinners for the Glory of God.

Homosexuality isn't just gay sex. Straight men can have sex with another man too; homosexuality is an orientation which carries connotations of certain acts rather than being those acts themselves.

The fact that there's so much debate over it shows that it isn't clear. Menassa is probably going to correct me here, but the word translated as "abomination" doesn't mean that as we use it today. It doesn't mean something horrific or detestable; why, the same word applies to eating shellfish. It is instead more like "cultural taboo", as seen more clearly when some things are described as an "abomination" unto the Egyptians.

Sinners belong in church. But Sinners DO NOT belong LEADING a congregation.

You're a youth decan. Do you never ever sin? Is every pastor perfect and flawless and no longer needing salvation?

SIDE NOTE: Gay marriage also bothers me, as marriage is a Christian (OR GODLY) ceremony. It's a spit in MY (Christian people) to defile something so holy and secred. To be performed by a group of sinners that God calls an abomination, it's heart breaking.

Atheists are allowed to get married; Christians do not have a monopoly on it. Unless you wish to annul every marriage not between two Christians (perhaps even only Christians of some denominations), being against gay marriage on the ground that it isn't Christian (although there are same-sex marriages between Christians) doesn't work, sorry.

Fighting for civil rights is fine, but NOT when it throws away MY civil rights as a Christian by allowing a holy ceremony to be infetrated by something we consider a sin.

None of your civil rights are being taken away. You are not being blocked from marriage because of gender or of faith or anything. You can still have a loving and holy marriage with your wife, and that woman down the street can have a loving and holy with her wife.