Kaliningrad or Königsberg?

[French Union]

Do the people that live there want to change its name, again? If not, than there's no real point to change it.

[Phenyzia]

The term Lebensraum was only used by nazis. We're not talking about occupying foreign territory here, but Königsberg is historically a part of germany.

So was Poland, Alsace-Lorraine, Austria...

It's foreign territory, populated by a linguistically and ethnically different population.

Austria was german? Austria is German.
Alsacc-Lorraine was both French and German for a long time
And only about 60% of Poland was German (Which I think should be returned to Germany, too.)

It's foreign for russians since it's occupied German territory.

[Vistulange]

Lots of places were historically part of Germany, but it lost them after the Second World War. Considering Germany started said war, I say tough luck, it doesn't get those places back.

Yeah, I mean, he has a point. Once you're partly or wholly responsible for starting a war which claimed the lives of millions of innocents, you don't really get a claim to the lands you lost, in my book.

As much as I would like for it to be Konigsberg again, I have to acknowledge that is it Russian now and should remain as Kaliningrad in accordance with the wishes of the majority Russian population there. If Russia should ever cede the territory, it should go to either Poland or Lithuania for the sake of geographic contiguity.

I believe it is safe to say that at this point, Germany no longer wants what was formerly Konigsberg, much of the German population and architecture which existed there is long gone.

Yes, well, the Soviets did a good job bombing the city to the ground. Not much remained after the war, I believe.

[Tsuntion]

Let the residents choose, perhaps?

Königsberg, because of the maths problem of the same name.

If I get to decide, though, then Königsberg for this reason. Knowing it may not be the city's actual name has shattered the dreams my eight-year-old self had of going there and walking around the bridges, oh waily waily.

[Radiatia]

It's legally a Russian city. Therefore it should have a Russian name: Kaliningrad.

God I'm so sick of all these arguments about tiny scraps of land. First those Japanese islands, now this.

[Vistulange]

It's legally a Russian city. Therefore it should have a Russian name: Kaliningrad.

God I'm so sick of all these arguments about tiny scraps of land. First those Japanese islands, now this.

You might be sick of them, but people continue these arguments in real life. I felt it wouldn't do harm to open a thread about the subject.

[Melpomenia (Ancient)]

So was Poland, Alsace-Lorraine, Austria...

It's foreign territory, populated by a linguistically and ethnically different population.

Austria was german? Austria is German.
Alsacc-Lorraine was both French and German for a long time
And only about 60% of Poland was German (Which I think should be returned to Germany, too.)

It's foreign for russians since it's occupied German territory.

Austria's an independent state.

So we should give Poland back to Germany, despite the fact that very few to no Germans live there.

What next, hey, let's all go take over Africa because it used to be part of our territory!

Colonialism, yay!

People who say things like this disgust me.

[Free Tristania]

Königsberg. Plain and simple: the Russians should start packing their bags and get back to Mother Russia.

[Phenyzia]

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I didn't say Austria is a part of Germany, I just said Austria is a german nation.

Poland should receive it's own eastern territories back and Germany should then receive it's eastern territories from Poland.

You can't compare the territory of a state to colonies.

[Melpomenia (Ancient)]

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I didn't say Austria is a part of Germany, I just said Austria is a german nation.

Poland should receive it's own eastern territories back and Germany should then receive it's eastern territories from Poland.

You can't compare the territory of a state to colonies.

Poland was historically treated worse than a colony, so yes, yes you can.

[Greed and Death]

Use one when speaking Russian, and another when speaking German.

[Puaheiri]

I, personally, think it should be changed to Königsberg. That being said, I do not think the territory should be transferred, simply put I don't think it should be named after Kalinin.

[Quintium]

Let the residents decide. I'm not entirely sure they still want it to be 'Kaliningrad' if there is a sensible alternative. After all, other cities named after Soviet leaders were renamed after the Soviet Union finally collapsed.

[Ifreann]

So was Poland, Alsace-Lorraine, Austria...

It's foreign territory, populated by a linguistically and ethnically different population.

Austria was german? Austria is German.
Alsacc-Lorraine was both French and German for a long time
And only about 60% of Poland was German (Which I think should be returned to Germany, too.)

It's foreign for russians since it's occupied German territory.

All those places were not German for longer than they were German.

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Let the residents choose, perhaps?

Königsberg, because of the maths problem of the same name.

If I get to decide, though, then Königsberg for this reason. Knowing it may not be the city's actual name has shattered the dreams my eight-year-old self had of going there and walking around the bridges, oh waily waily.

And I bet I could have done it without repeating myself, cogent proofs to the contrary be damned,

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It's legally a Russian city. Therefore it should have a Russian name: Kaliningrad.

A patently silly standard.

[Florinia]

Königsberg

The name is better

[Voerdeland]

Królewiec. Because.

[Cill Airne]

Considering other cities named after Soviet leaders was renamed after the fall of the Soviet Union, I think this city, too, should be renamed. I do support renaming it to Königsberg, or perhaps Regimontium Prussorum!

[Laerod]

As someone with actual stake and heritage associated with the city... meh.

[Saruhan]

Kaliningrad, because it sounds much better then Konigsberg and doesn't have an accent in it

[Great Holy Prussia]

Lots of places were historically part of Germany, but it lost them after the Second World War. Considering Germany started said war, I say tough luck, it doesn't get those places back.

Arguably, Britain started it, or if you want to back to the root cause of WW1, Russia or Serbia.

For the WW1 thing, it's either Serbia or the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

[Bears Armed Mission]

Honestly, why the hell does Russia even want that scrap of land?

Ice-free port?


Anyhows, rename it 'Arafat City' and give it to the Palestinians...

[Ifreann]

As someone with actual stake and heritage associated with the city... meh.

Meh is a terrible name for a city.

[Bojikami]

Kaliningrad.

[Melpomenia (Ancient)]

Honestly, why the hell does Russia even want that scrap of land?

Ice-free port?


Anyhows, rename it 'Arafat City' and give it to the Palestinians...

I thought that was the purpose of their puppet-state, Ukraine.

[Laerod]

As someone with actual stake and heritage associated with the city... meh.

Meh is a terrible name for a city.

Meh.