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Postby Multiflow » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:42 pm

I guess there is no more exploring spirit in the human race. We prefer armchairs to spacesuits.
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Postby Sociobiology » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:43 pm

The USOT wrote:
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Water can be produced from the Hydrogen and the Oxygen out there actually it has everything to let us live there. We can terraform it VERY easily in 50 to 100 years.

Correct me if im wrong but doesnt it take a vast amount of energy to synthesise a breathable atmosphere?

on Mars, no, on the moon, yes.
although on a planetary level everything takes lots of energy. if your goal is large scale terra forming dropping a few comets on mars would do a lot of the work for you.
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Postby Mayane » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:50 pm

Not me, I would miss my family etc.

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Postby Esternial » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:54 pm

No thanks I still have to find a way to contribute more in "fucking up the world we live in"

It's sort of a personal life achievement I'm going for.
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Postby Cameroi » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:00 pm

at the age of 64, i'm not so sure about that "in my own lifetime" part. i've recently moved to nevada though. does that count?
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Postby YellowApple » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:41 pm

I'm totally down for heading out to Mars. The downside would be missing my family, but I have a feeling being in space would be worth it. That's kind of been, like, my life dream.

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Postby Esternial » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:52 pm

YellowApple wrote:I'm totally down for heading out to Mars. The downside would be missing my family, but I have a feeling being in space would be worth it. That's kind of been, like, my life dream.

Being sucked into the vacuum of space due to a airlock malfunction has been on my top list for awhile as well.

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Postby Delator » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:03 pm

If the first four survive long enough for the second four to arrive, it just might work.

Wouldn't want to be one of the first four myself, but I'd gladly head up with any subsequent group.

Most likely, however, I am eminently unqualified for the trip. :p
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Postby THE UNITED FEDERATION OF ALGORENIA » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:18 pm

So have they discussed any interest in establishing a "go back to Earth" option later in the future? i mean, it wouldn't make sense jsut to shoot some people to Mars and just forget them for all eternity. IF they work out a way to go back to earth, then i'll make the endeavour.

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Postby The USOT » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:23 pm

THE UNITED FEDERATION OF ALGORENIA wrote:So have they discussed any interest in establishing a "go back to Earth" option later in the future? i mean, it wouldn't make sense jsut to shoot some people to Mars and just forget them for all eternity. IF they work out a way to go back to earth, then i'll make the endeavour.

Its more that there is no current plan to do so. Essentially they can not guarantee a return journey.
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Postby YellowApple » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:26 pm

THE UNITED FEDERATION OF ALGORENIA wrote:So have they discussed any interest in establishing a "go back to Earth" option later in the future? i mean, it wouldn't make sense jsut to shoot some people to Mars and just forget them for all eternity. IF they work out a way to go back to earth, then i'll make the endeavour.


Considering the distances involved, the initial crew(s) would have to be okay with the idea of not ever going back home, in case the technology isn't in place yet for them to do so. That's something I personally have no qualms with.

If a return trip were to be done, it would probably be best done using a reusable craft (like how the Space Shuttle was) but building the booster stages and launch systems on Mars (either with parts brought in from Earth with each crew or built from Martian materials).

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Postby The USOT » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:28 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
The USOT wrote:Correct me if im wrong but doesnt it take a vast amount of energy to synthesise a breathable atmosphere?

on Mars, no, on the moon, yes.
although on a planetary level everything takes lots of energy. if your goal is large scale terra forming dropping a few comets on mars would do a lot of the work for you.

I was thinking for a mars base rather than terraforming a planet.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:57 pm

The USOT wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:on Mars, no, on the moon, yes.
although on a planetary level everything takes lots of energy. if your goal is large scale terra forming dropping a few comets on mars would do a lot of the work for you.

I was thinking for a mars base rather than terraforming a planet.

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Postby The USOT » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:02 pm

Esternial wrote:
The USOT wrote:I was thinking for a mars base rather than terraforming a planet.

Have you ever played Spore? It's totes easy.

I wish it was that easy XD which is weird because I wish spore was a lot harder...
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Postby Great Yorkshire » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:07 pm

No thanks.
Theres fuck all to do there at the best of times and the place pretty much shuts down on a Sunday.
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Postby Vestr-Norig » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:08 pm

Wasting billions of money that could better be used to the better for the poor and needy. Well, let the Yankees keep on with their waste, other people across the globe wil have to continue their struggle to survive. What do they want on Mars anyway? There is basically nothing of worth, unless you look at stone and sand as worthy to colonize a planet for.
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Postby The God-Realm » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:09 pm

Esternial wrote:
The USOT wrote:I was thinking for a mars base rather than terraforming a planet.

Have you ever played Spore? It's totes easy.

Spore has SecuROM, so it is shit.
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The God-Realm wrote:No

people who qq over losing a gf over a small penis size are insecure and need to check themselves

Before they wreck themselves?

Or their ex' car.

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Postby Esternial » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:09 pm

Great Yorkshire wrote:No thanks.
Theres fuck all to do there at the best of times and the place pretty much shuts down on a Sunday.

You're better off at Venus.

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Postby The USOT » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:18 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:Wasting billions of money that could better be used to the better for the poor and needy. Well, let the Yankees keep on with their waste, other people across the globe wil have to continue their struggle to survive. What do they want on Mars anyway? There is basically nothing of worth, unless you look at stone and sand as worthy to colonize a planet for.

:palm: :palm: :palm:

Because of course we make no scientific advancements that assist the human race from space travel at all...
Lets just ignore how a breif venture barely outside the earth expanded the earths economies, brought mass broadcasting and infrastructure which helps millions of lives.

Lets ignore the advances in weatherforecasting which has allowed people all over the world greater preperation against a hostile planet.
Lets ignore the advantages of agriculture in which we can now plot the path of agricultural pests and hazards which enhance the foodstocks in every single nation on earth.
Lets ignore the vital materials made for the space race which are used in medicine today and have kept people like myself actually living and breathing.

All that. All of it came from a merely small venture out of our atmosphere and to our moon. The amount of research that can go ahead from preparing humans to live in biodomes on mars would have hte potential to dwarf that en mass.
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Postby YellowApple » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:23 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:Wasting billions of money that could better be used to the better for the poor and needy. Well, let the Yankees keep on with their waste, other people across the globe wil have to continue their struggle to survive. What do they want on Mars anyway? There is basically nothing of worth, unless you look at stone and sand as worthy to colonize a planet for.


Because at the rate we're going with global warming we might as well have a backup plan in case we've completely fucked everything up.

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Great Yorkshire wrote:No thanks.
Theres fuck all to do there at the best of times and the place pretty much shuts down on a Sunday.

You're better off at Venus.

It always gets fun when we light the cigars.


That's assuming the cigar doesn't collapse in on itself first.

Or, for that matter, actually light itself.

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Esternial wrote:Have you ever played Spore? It's totes easy.

Spore has SecuROM, so it is shit.


You just won a YellowApple Point™, which is completely worthless beyond dubious bragging rights.

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Postby Vestr-Norig » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:25 pm

The USOT wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:Wasting billions of money that could better be used to the better for the poor and needy. Well, let the Yankees keep on with their waste, other people across the globe wil have to continue their struggle to survive. What do they want on Mars anyway? There is basically nothing of worth, unless you look at stone and sand as worthy to colonize a planet for.

:palm: :palm: :palm:

Because of course we make no scientific advancements that assist the human race from space travel at all...
Lets just ignore how a breif venture barely outside the earth expanded the earths economies, brought mass broadcasting and infrastructure which helps millions of lives.

Lets ignore the advances in weatherforecasting which has allowed people all over the world greater preperation against a hostile planet.
Lets ignore the advantages of agriculture in which we can now plot the path of agricultural pests and hazards which enhance the foodstocks in every single nation on earth.
Lets ignore the vital materials made for the space race which are used in medicine today and have kept people like myself actually living and breathing.

All that. All of it came from a merely small venture out of our atmosphere and to our moon. The amount of research that can go ahead from preparing humans to live in biodomes on mars would have hte potential to dwarf that en mass.


Satelites has indeed been a great thing for humanity, though, this is basically just outside of our planet, and does not cost even near what such expeditions to foreign planets does. We did gain nothing good from our visit to the moon, nor will we gain anything of worth from a human visit to Mars. We should, instead of wasting billions of dollars on space programs that most likely is going to cost more than what we will gain from it, try to make it better for people here on earth, and look at what the Earth can provide, and how we can use these resources the best way. Expeditions further ourside will not have the same benefits as "local" programs just outside of ground level has. There is no reason to take it a step further.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:26 pm

YellowApple wrote:
Esternial wrote:You're better off at Venus.

It always gets fun when we light the cigars.


That's assuming the cigar doesn't collapse in on itself first.

Or, for that matter, actually light itself.

So you got the joke and then defused what little comic value it had.

Why ;-;

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Postby Vestr-Norig » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:27 pm

YellowApple wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:Wasting billions of money that could better be used to the better for the poor and needy. Well, let the Yankees keep on with their waste, other people across the globe wil have to continue their struggle to survive. What do they want on Mars anyway? There is basically nothing of worth, unless you look at stone and sand as worthy to colonize a planet for.


Because at the rate we're going with global warming we might as well have a backup plan in case we've completely fucked everything up.

So that a very few, most likely rich and wealthy people could live a little longer and watch the rest of us die? No thank you, I'd rather have the money spent here on earth, so those who will die could get a better life before their death.
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Postby The USOT » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:30 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
The USOT wrote: :palm: :palm: :palm:

Because of course we make no scientific advancements that assist the human race from space travel at all...
Lets just ignore how a breif venture barely outside the earth expanded the earths economies, brought mass broadcasting and infrastructure which helps millions of lives.

Lets ignore the advances in weatherforecasting which has allowed people all over the world greater preperation against a hostile planet.
Lets ignore the advantages of agriculture in which we can now plot the path of agricultural pests and hazards which enhance the foodstocks in every single nation on earth.
Lets ignore the vital materials made for the space race which are used in medicine today and have kept people like myself actually living and breathing.

All that. All of it came from a merely small venture out of our atmosphere and to our moon. The amount of research that can go ahead from preparing humans to live in biodomes on mars would have hte potential to dwarf that en mass.


Satelites has indeed been a great thing for humanity, though, this is basically just outside of our planet, and does not cost even near what such expeditions to foreign planets does. We did gain nothing good from our visit to the moon, nor will we gain anything of worth from a human visit to Mars. We should, instead of wasting billions of dollars on space programs that most likely is going to cost more than what we will gain from it, try to make it better for people here on earth, and look at what the Earth can provide, and how we can use these resources the best way. Expeditions further ourside will not have the same benefits as "local" programs just outside of ground level has. There is no reason to take it a step further.

Actually we got a lot from the moon expedition. Not only a greater understanding of physics which has gone into architecture, physics and cars and through such initiatives as skylap gave us a greater understanding of ocean movements.

Quite genuinly, expeditions out into space give great payoffs for our planet.
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Peter Timmerman, “Defending Materialism"

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