Do you consider yourself to be a feminist, and why?

[The Independent Isle of Wight]

and the slaughter of countless unborn children.

Oh I'm SURE we can count the number of innocents slaughtered. We'll just go through the scraps bin and count how many baby skulls we find.

I personally ate 3 this morning.

Innocent babies?
I'm pretty sure babies are born evil right..?
It's been a while since I read the bible, but I'm pretty sure there's something about original sin...
Ooh, here's a thought, has there ever been a book about religious zealots who aid the spread of a zombie plague because they believe that zombification removing people's higher brain function turns them into blissfully ignorant innocents and removes their original sin..?
Cause that would be awesome.
My mind wanders.

Anyways... It's a pretty archaic term, like somewhither or paddywhack, so It's not the first thing I'd use to describe myself with, but if someone else called me it I would not quibble.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

If by feminist you mean believe in women's rights, then yes. (I'm a guy by the way) The reason why I believe this is because I was raised by my mother and I believe that since she makes a lot of sacrifices for me, (doesn't all mothers) then she should be given rights.

[New Socialist New Hampshire]

Yes. Anyone who thinks sexism is gone is kidding themselves. Unless their masculists/masculinists (I don't even want to look up how to spell it to help it trend on Google).

[Ifreann]

Oh I'm SURE we can count the number of innocents slaughtered. We'll just go through the scraps bin and count how many baby skulls we find.

I personally ate 3 this morning.

Innocent babies?
I'm pretty sure babies are born evil right..?
It's been a while since I read the bible, but I'm pretty sure there's something about original sin...

It occurs to me, if certain Christians believe that life begins at conception, then why do they wait until the baby is a nine months plus few weeks old before they baptise it? Shouldn't they be doing pre-birth baptisms to save miscarried and aborted babies from Hell?

And on the plus side, more innocent babies for the rest of us to eat.

...
My mind wanders.

Lot of that going around.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Do I consider myself a feminist? Well, I believe in equality, for both sexes. I just don't exactly put a label on that sentiment. Does that makes me a feminist?

If thinking that way makes me a feminst, then yes, I am one.

[CVT Temp]

It occurs to me, if certain Christians believe that life begins at conception, then why do they wait until the baby is a nine months plus few weeks old before they baptise it?

Because nobody really believes that it's a person. They might abstractly pretend to believe that, but no one, deep in their gut, really thinks it to be true.

[Ifreann]

Do I consider myself a feminist? Well, I believe in equality, for both sexes. I just don't exactly put a label on that sentiment. Does that makes me a feminist?

If thinking that way makes me a feminst, then yes, I am one.

I hear you also have to hate men, but no one seems to actually check that, so maybe don't worry about it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Do I consider myself a feminist? Well, I believe in equality, for both sexes. I just don't exactly put a label on that sentiment. Does that makes me a feminist?

If thinking that way makes me a feminst, then yes, I am one.

I hear you also have to hate men, but no one seems to actually check that, so maybe don't worry about it.

Damn. I love men. I love me a man.

[Galloism]

It occurs to me, if certain Christians believe that life begins at conception, then why do they wait until the baby is a nine months plus few weeks old before they baptise it?

Because nobody really believes that it's a person. They might abstractly pretend to believe that, but no one, deep in their gut, really thinks it to be true.

Eh, I think some genuinely believe it.

Why do you think nobody does?

[CVT Temp]

Eh, I think some genuinely believe it.

Why do you think nobody does?

Okay, perhaps a small portion actually believes it.

I base this on the fact that their actions are inconsistent with someone who really believes it's a human life. The belief that abortion is literally murder does not make consistent sense of pro-life rhetoric and pro-life policy, especially given that most leaders in the pro-life movement are against the majority of policies that can be objectively proven to lower the number of abortions, such as comprehensive sex and and widespread use of contraception.

[The Independent Isle of Wight]

Because nobody really believes that it's a person. They might abstractly pretend to believe that, but no one, deep in their gut, really thinks it to be true.

Eh, I think some genuinely believe it.

Why do you think nobody does?

"This was the beginning of spermists' theory, who held the belief that the sperm was in fact a "little man" (homunculus) that was placed inside a woman for growth into a child. This seemed to them to neatly explain many of the mysteries of conception. It was later pointed out that if the sperm was a homunculus, identical in all but size to an adult, then the homunculus may have sperm of its own. This led to a reductio ad absurdum with a chain of homunculi "all the way down". This was not necessarily considered by spermists a fatal objection however, as it neatly explained how it was that "in Adam" all had sinned: the whole of humanity was already contained in his loins.You are not jut aborting a baby, but all of its babies, but all of its babies and all of it's babies...

[Galloism]

Eh, I think some genuinely believe it.

Why do you think nobody does?

Okay, perhaps a small portion actually believes it.

I base this on the fact that their actions are inconsistent with someone who really believes it's a human life. The belief that abortion is literally murder does not make consistent sense of pro-life rhetoric and pro-life policy, especially given that most pro-lifers are against the majority of policies that can be objectively proven to lower the number of abortions, such as comprehensive sex and and widespread use of contraception.

I think that might be ignorance more than disbelief.

[CVT Temp]

I think that might be ignorance more than disbelief.

The sheep, maybe, but certainly not the political leaders of the movement. They, similarr professional creationists and other professional horseshit peddlers, know full well that their policy proposals will not lower the number of abortions. They just don't care.

[Galloism]

I think that might be ignorance more than disbelief.

The sheep, maybe, but certainly not the political leaders of the movement. They, similarr professional creationists and other professional horseshit peddlers, know full well that their policy proposals will not lower the number of abortions. They just don't care.

Well, but the sheep make up the vast majority of pushers.

I don't buy for a second that the heads of these organizations believe it. I think to be the head of such an organization, you have to be calculating, intelligent, and capable of reasoning your way to the top, and doing whatever it takes to get there.

People like that are probably mostly not ignorant about such things.

[CVT Temp]

Well, but the sheep make up the vast majority of pushers.

I don't buy for a second that the heads of these organizations believe it. I think to be the head of such an organization, you have to be calculating, intelligent, and capable of reasoning your way to the top, and doing whatever it takes to get there.

People like that are probably mostly not ignorant about such things.

But the sheep are complicit in it, and therefore they're also guilty. People who advocate for a position have an obligation to make sure they're not ignorant about what they're actually pushing. They have no excuse for being ignorant.

[Galloism]

Well, but the sheep make up the vast majority of pushers.

I don't buy for a second that the heads of these organizations believe it. I think to be the head of such an organization, you have to be calculating, intelligent, and capable of reasoning your way to the top, and doing whatever it takes to get there.

People like that are probably mostly not ignorant about such things.

But the sheep are complicit in it, and therefore they're also guilty. People who advocate for a position have an obligation to make sure they're not ignorant about what they're actually pushing. They have no excuse for being ignorant.

Oh I concur, in principle.

I just don't buy that "they don't actually believe it" makes up all or even the vast majority of such persons.

[CVT Temp]

Oh I concur, in principle.

I just don't buy that "they don't actually believe it" makes up all or even the vast majority of such persons.

Maybe I'm just really cynical, but I think a lot of people claim to believe things they don't really believe. I don't think they're all liars. Rather, I think a lot of people are deluded. They've deluded themselves into thinking that they believe something they don't actually believe. I know that sounds strange, but it's more common than you'd think.

[Maineiacs]

Yes, I do, because I want my daughter to have the same pay and same opportunity for advancement as her male peers, as well as the right to her own bodily autonomy and an expectation of treatment with respect and integrity.

[Galloism]

Oh I concur, in principle.

I just don't buy that "they don't actually believe it" makes up all or even the vast majority of such persons.

Maybe I'm just really cynical, but I think a lot of people claim to believe things they don't really believe. I don't think they're all liars. Rather, I think a lot of people are deluded. They've deluded themselves into thinking that they believe something they don't actually believe. I know that sounds strange, but it's more common than you'd think.

In another avenue or vein, what else do you think people are vastly deluded about what they believe?

[CVT Temp]

Yes, I do, because I want my daughter to have the same pay and same opportunity for advancement as her male peers, as well as the right to her own bodily autonomy and an expectation of treatment with respect and integrity.

What about sexual autonomy? No matter how feminist they are, most people I've found are uncomfortable with their daughters having sex.

[Neo Art]

It occurs to me, if certain Christians believe that life begins at conception, then why do they wait until the baby is a nine months plus few weeks old before they baptise it?

Because nobody really believes that it's a person. They might abstractly pretend to believe that, but no one, deep in their gut, really thinks it to be true.

Bob the Janitor, eh?

[CVT Temp]

In another avenue or vein, what else do you think people are vastly deluded about what they believe?

Religion for one. Being in favor of "smaller government" is another. Some people believe these things. Other people think they believe these things when they really don't.

[Oppressorion]

Okay, perhaps a small portion actually believes it.

I base this on the fact that their actions are inconsistent with someone who really believes it's a human life. The belief that abortion is literally murder does not make consistent sense of pro-life rhetoric and pro-life policy, especially given that most leaders in the pro-life movement are against the majority of policies that can be objectively proven to lower the number of abortions, such as comprehensive sex and and widespread use of contraception.

At least one guy believes it. And no, I am not against contraception or comprehensive sex education, though just plain comprehensive sex wouldn't be objectionable - quite the opposite.

[CVT Temp]

Bob the Janitor, eh?

I don't understand the reference.

[Neo Art]

Bob the Janitor, eh?

I don't understand the reference.

"Bob, the Janitor" was a thought experiment I came up with some years back, to attack the false equivalency of a embryo being a human life. It basically creates the scenario where the partisipant has come upon a burning fertility clinic, and has to save either bob, the janitor, who is unconcious, or a cooler full of frozen human embroys.

The essence being that, if the cooler contained more than one embroys, any person hwo believed that a fertilized egg was a human life must ethically rescue the cooler, as ethics would require us to save 2 lives, over 1.

The fact that NOBODY would actually rescue a cooler full of embroys, over an actual living, breathing human being, regardless of how many embroys were in the cooler, is demonstrative of the fact that, regardless of how you claim it, nobody actually bleieves them to be human life.