Do you consider yourself to be a feminist, and why?

[Gravlen]

Remember how feminism at its core was about equality, voting rights, and the right to bodily sovereignty?

Yeah.

Interesting choice of tense.

It's also interesting that anti-feminists are opposed to such things.

The energy of the feminist movement is not focused on attaining equality in law, or in extending or maintaining voting rights.

The energy of the anti-feminist movement is focused on reversing what feminism has achieved. Anti-feminists who are complaining that "equality has gone too far" (note "equality", not "women's rights") and are threatening to use violence to roll back the tide of feminism.

[Virterra]

At least here in my country feminist are usually women who want to replace men in the cultural status of civilization leaders. I'm egalitarian. While a feminist acknowledges and butters up the particularities of the female kind, I don't think suche xist, as women are just individuals like men and thus the only difference made by gender is physical, and therefore to be a "feminist" as I interpret it is to be sexist in the opposit way, and instead of "hating" or think of women and women-like men, is to do the same with men and men-like women. That just keep them from see that all persons are individuals and free to choose their own personality, no matter the gender.

[Cosmopoles]

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but if the child custody system works as you claim it does, how does giving fathers paper abortion rights somehow improve things for fathers?

How
men doesn't automatically get assigned paternity at birth, and that's unfair
is an argument for
men should be able to unilaterally sever any connections with a child after the child has been born
remains unclear to me.

Good, its not just me then.

[Conserative Morality]

How
men doesn't automatically get assigned paternity at birth, and that's unfair
is an argument for
men should be able to unilaterally sever any connections with a child after the child has been born
remains unclear to me.

I believe the issue is severing connections with a child before it's been born; at least, that's generally what I see paper abortion proposals come to. The underlying issue is the ability to choose whether or not to be a parent, same as a woman

[Cosmopoles]

How
men doesn't automatically get assigned paternity at birth, and that's unfair
is an argument for
men should be able to unilaterally sever any connections with a child after the child has been born
remains unclear to me.

I believe the issue is severing connections with a child before it's been born; at least, that's generally what I see paper abortion proposals come to. The underlying issue is the ability to choose whether or not to be a parent, same as a woman

The key difference between a paper abortion and an actual abortion is that an actual abortion does not result in a child which requires support.

[Lyassa and Nairoa]

Does one not need to be a female in order to be a feminist ?

[Tsuntion]

Does one not need to be a female in order to be a feminist ?

One does not need to be a female in order to be a feminist.

[Rereumrari]

Does one not need to be a female in order to be a feminist ?

One does not need to be a female in order to be a feminist.

But you do have to hate men and believe that they are evil, which I guess makes male feminists self-haters.

[Conserative Morality]

The key difference between a paper abortion and an actual abortion is that an actual abortion does not result in a child which requires support.

Disregarding, for a brief moment, the realities of the situation, in a pure hypothetical removed from the real world and so on... Would you force a woman to become a mother against her will? Disregarding the issue of carrying around a fetus for eight months and giving birth to a child.

[Ifreann]

One does not need to be a female in order to be a feminist.

But you do have to hate men and believe that they are evil, which I guess makes male feminists self-haters.

It's easy enough to fake it for the feminist discount.

[Rereumrari]

But you do have to hate men and believe that they are evil, which I guess makes male feminists self-haters.

It's easy enough to fake it for the feminist discount.

Ok i'll admit I laughed at that one.

[Cosmopoles]

The key difference between a paper abortion and an actual abortion is that an actual abortion does not result in a child which requires support.

Disregarding, for a brief moment, the realities of the situation, in a pure hypothetical removed from the real world and so on... Would you force a woman to become a mother against her will? Disregarding the issue of carrying around a fetus for eight months and giving birth to a child.

If the father wished to raise the child on his own, the mother should be required to provide support. The only scenario where it seems fair to allow total relinquishment of parental responsibility to a living child is where someone else can be found to assume parental repsonsibilties such as through adoption or as a step parent.

[Conserative Morality]

If the father wished to raise the child on his own, the mother should be required to provide support. The only scenario where it seems fair to allow total relinquishment of parental responsibility to a living child is where someone else can be found to assume parental repsonsibilties such as through adoption or as a step parent.

So that's a yes? Not trying to be snarky here, mind, just trying to be certain.

[Cosmopoles]

If the father wished to raise the child on his own, the mother should be required to provide support. The only scenario where it seems fair to allow total relinquishment of parental responsibility to a living child is where someone else can be found to assume parental repsonsibilties such as through adoption or as a step parent.

So that's a yes? Not trying to be snarky here, mind, just trying to be certain.

Its kind of a yes. Merely providing monetary support isn't really how I would define being a mother or father but in the absence of someone else taking on that responsibility then yes, I believe they should be forced to.

[Conserative Morality]

Its kind of a yes. Merely providing monetary support isn't really how I would define being a mother or father but in the absence of someone else taking on that responsibility then yes, I believe they should be forced to.

Well, I can respect that opinion.

I wasn't talking monetary support so much as literally becoming a parent, though.

[Cosmopoles]

Its kind of a yes. Merely providing monetary support isn't really how I would define being a mother or father but in the absence of someone else taking on that responsibility then yes, I believe they should be forced to.

Well, I can respect that opinion.

I wasn't talking monetary support so much as literally becoming a parent, though.

I don't think that's the situation now though, is it? Neither men nor women are required to actually be parents to their offspring.

[United States of Dixieland (Ancient)]

I am sure I am in the minority here but what the hell.

I do believe men and women are equal. But I mean equal under the law and God.
But at the same time I know men and women are different and unique. Not better or worse but just different.

For example I beieve their are certain jobs and activities that women should not do. Not that they cannot but rather in my opinion should not.
And this actually has many benefits for women as I believe that all self-respecting men should go out of their way to treat them like a women.
I do not belive women should hold jobs such as coal mining or hard labor where they are forced to sweat and stress in the hot sun covered in grease and dirt. I do not want my wife to come home with rough, callaused hands and try to rub on me. It would feel like some weird episode of brokeback mountain or something. I have calloused hands, she cant have them too.Their boyfriends/husbands should so they can nag us to take a shower when we get home. I also do not believe that women should hold overly dangerous jobs such as any military combat role. Again tey have men for that. It is our job as men to protect our families and people in times of crisis. I have a 2 year old daughter and I will be damned is she joins the military. She may become the Govenor of Georgia, a famous writer or a leading scientist but not a soldier.

And if the man in the house has his wife crawling under the house to fix plumbing then there is something wrong.

I honestly believe that women get the better part in the deal here. So this wave of feminism to me is just unneeded.

[United States of Dixieland (Ancient)]

Well, I can respect that opinion.

I wasn't talking monetary support so much as literally becoming a parent, though.

I don't think that's the situation now though, is it? Neither men nor women are required to actually be parents to their offspring.

Sad isn't it.

[Conserative Morality]

I don't think that's the situation now though, is it? Neither men nor women are required to actually be parents to their offspring.

Men can be forced into such a situation through the choices of the mother (Or refused such a choice)

[Ifreann]

I am sure I am in the minority here but what the hell.

I do believe men and women are equal. But I mean equal under the law and God.
But at the same time I know men and women are different and unique. Not better or worse but just different.

For example I beieve their are certain jobs and activities that women should not do. Not that they cannot but rather in my opinion should not.
And this actually has many benefits for women as I believe that all self-respecting men should go out of their way to treat them like a women.
I do not belive women should hold jobs such as coal mining or hard labor where they are forced to sweat and stress in the hot sun covered in grease and dirt. I do not want my wife to come home with rough, callaused hands and try to rub on me. It would feel like some weird episode of brokeback mountain or something. I have calloused hands, she cant have them too.Their boyfriends/husbands should so they can nag us to take a shower when we get home. I also do not believe that women should hold overly dangerous jobs such as any military combat role. Again tey have men for that. It is our job as men to protect our families and people in times of crisis. I have a 2 year old daughter and I will be damned is she joins the military. She may become the Govenor of Georgia, a famous writer or a leading scientist but not a soldier.

And if the man in the house has his wife crawling under the house to fix plumbing then there is something wrong.

I honestly believe that women get the better part in the deal here. So this wave of feminism to me is just unneeded.

Which is amusing, because you and people like you are why we do indeed need feminism.

[Neo Art]

So this wave of feminism to me is just unneeded.

You are exactly why it is.

[Neo Art]

I don't think that's the situation now though, is it? Neither men nor women are required to actually be parents to their offspring.

Men can be forced into such a situation through the choices of the mother (Or refused such a choice)

Recognizing that actions have consequences does not equal being "forced" into it. Unless one was quite literally raped, nobody FORCED him into impregnating her.

[Cosmopoles]

I don't think that's the situation now though, is it? Neither men nor women are required to actually be parents to their offspring.

Men can be forced into such a situation through the choices of the mother (Or refused such a choice)

Only in a monetary sense though. The father can't be forced to actually be a parent to the child if he doesn't want to. And if the father is raising the child, the mother is forced to provide financial support.

[Conserative Morality]

Recognizing that actions have consequences does not equal being "forced" into it. Unless one was quite literally raped, nobody FORCED him into impregnating her.

Disregarding the issue of pregnancy and birth then, you are also of the opinion that forcing a woman to become a mother is kosher?

[Neo Art]

Recognizing that actions have consequences does not equal being "forced" into it. Unless one was quite literally raped, nobody FORCED him into impregnating her.

Disregarding the issue of pregnancy and birth then, you are also of the opinion that forcing a woman to become a mother is kosher?

You're muddling your terms, and you're entirely unclear what exactly you're asking. are you asking:

1) if I support requiring pregnant women to give birth?
2) if I support requiring women who have given birth to take an active maternal role in raising their offspring?
3) if I support requiring women to financially support their offspring?

Clarify your terminology, then I'll answer your question.