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What is your stance on gun control?

People should be allowed to any type of gun they want
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25%
I believe gun control laws should be loosened but not to the point to where people can own fully automatic weapons
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I believe we should have reasonable controls such as a ban on fully automatic weapons, mandatory criminal background checks, and a cap on the number of firearms a person can own
156
31%
I believe we should have much tighter gun control laws and even ban handguns
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11%
I believe that no one should be allowed to own a firearm
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11%
Yeah I would like to a order a large pizza
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Postby Bojikami » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:54 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Bojikami wrote:I think people have the right to bear arms.

Why?

If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.
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Postby Kalimbiopia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:57 pm

There should be a lot of regulations on it and you should also have to present some sort of license of psychological health before you buy one. I don't understand peoples insane obsession with guns sometimes.

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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:00 pm

Kalimbiopia wrote:There should be a lot of regulations on it and you should also have to present some sort of license of psychological health before you buy one. I don't understand peoples insane obsession with guns sometimes.


It's beyond me.
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Postby Mkuki » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:02 pm

Northern Itasca wrote:
Mkuki wrote:Sure they save tons of lives, but lives would be in much less danger if gun sales were either strictly controlled or banned entirely. It's much harder, both physically and emotionally, to kill someone with a melee weapon than with a firearm.


How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.

If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.

I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.

The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.


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Frisivisia wrote:Why?

If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.

That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.
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Postby Spreewerke » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:39 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Northern Itasca wrote:
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.

If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.

I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.

The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.


Bojikami wrote:If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.

That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.



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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:41 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Northern Itasca wrote:
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.

If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.

I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.

The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.


Bojikami wrote:If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.

That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.


They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:42 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Mkuki wrote:If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.

I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.

The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.



That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.


They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).

That's why there's such considerable gun violence in the UK, people and their smuggled guns.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:43 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Mkuki wrote:If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.

I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.

The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.



That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.



Same way the Chechens do: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulle ... mi-warning!


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Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:46 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).

That's why there's such considerable gun violence in the UK, people and their smuggled guns.


Yeah, because the group of islands that make up the UK have a similar size LAND border to the US.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Postby Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:47 pm

Switzerland has about the same gun crime rate as the U.K. And every single fit citizen is issued a government rifle, ammo, and uniform. If everyone had a gun, then the criminal knows if he tries to rob a house, he WILL be shot. Therefore, less robberies.
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Postby Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:49 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).

That's why there's such considerable gun violence in the UK, people and their smuggled guns.

The U.K. has considerable gun violence... So I will read this with no sarcasm.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:52 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).

That's why there's such considerable gun violence in the UK, people and their smuggled guns.

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US = Roughly half a continent just north of MEXICO.

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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:52 pm

Without Remorse wrote:Switzerland has about the same gun crime rate as the U.K. And every single fit citizen is issued a government rifle, ammo, and uniform. If everyone had a gun, then the criminal knows if he tries to rob a house, he WILL be shot. Therefore, less robberies.


You're comparing a well-trained and highly monitored militia to the situation in the United States.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:54 pm

Without Remorse wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:That's why there's such considerable gun violence in the UK, people and their smuggled guns.

The U.K. has considerable gun violence... So I will read this with no sarcasm.


The UK has one of the lowest firearm-related death rates in the world, mate.
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Postby Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:55 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Without Remorse wrote:Switzerland has about the same gun crime rate as the U.K. And every single fit citizen is issued a government rifle, ammo, and uniform. If everyone had a gun, then the criminal knows if he tries to rob a house, he WILL be shot. Therefore, less robberies.


You're comparing a well-trained and highly monitored militia to the situation in the United States.

Maybe we should have a "well-trained and highly monitored militia". Cheap way to cut down on crime. Anyway, responding to an earlier post, it's easier to kill with a knife than a gun against an unarmed civilian. That's why there is more laws regulating knifes than guns in my state.
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Postby Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:56 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Without Remorse wrote:The U.K. has considerable gun violence... So I will read this with no sarcasm.


The UK has one of the lowest firearm-related death rates in the world, mate.

So does Switzerland. And every major dictatorship an communist country.
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Without Remorse wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
The UK has one of the lowest firearm-related death rates in the world, mate.

So does Switzerland. And every major dictatorship an communist country.


You just leaped to a different point. Your previous post was complete bollocks, is what I'm trying to say.
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Postby Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:58 pm

Why is it that every major Anti gun lobbyist in the US owns multiple personal firearms and has fully armed staff
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Postby Vareiln » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:58 pm

Kalimbiopia wrote:There should be a lot of regulations on it and you should also have to present some sort of license of psychological health before you buy one. I don't understand peoples insane obsession with guns sometimes.

Define "insane obsession".

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Postby Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:59 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Without Remorse wrote:So does Switzerland. And every major dictatorship an communist country.


You just leaped to a different point. Your previous post was complete bollocks, is what I'm trying to say.

I think that about 15 of the worlds countries have higher gun crime rates. Mostly Latin American countries
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Postby Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:03 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Northern Itasca wrote:
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.


Other countries manage well enough without them. British parliamentary democracy has been chugging along for centuries now.

Well, without guns, the US wouldn't have separated from them. That would be... Interesting...
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:05 pm

Without Remorse wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
You just leaped to a different point. Your previous post was complete bollocks, is what I'm trying to say.

I think that about 15 of the worlds countries have higher gun crime rates. Mostly Latin American countries


Both Switzerland and the United States have some of the highest firearm-related death rates in the OECD, although the United States leaps ahead in the overall intentional homicide rate, ranking just behind Mexico and Estonia.
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Postby Bojikami » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:05 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Northern Itasca wrote:
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.

If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.

I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.

The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.


Bojikami wrote:If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.

That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.

Its called smuggling.
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Postby Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:12 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Without Remorse wrote:I think that about 15 of the worlds countries have higher gun crime rates. Mostly Latin American countries


Both Switzerland and the United States have some of the highest firearm-related death rates in the OECD, although the United States leaps ahead in the overall intentional homicide rate, ranking just behind Mexico and Estonia.

Also, culture affects gun crime. If you read Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's book "On killing" you will see how. I highly reccomend this book. I learned that in the American civil war, only 5% of soldiers fired their weapons. In wwii, on all sides, this was between 15-20%. In the US war in Korea, 50%. In vietnam,95 %.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:13 pm

Bojikami wrote:
Mkuki wrote:If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.

I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.

The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.



That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.

Its called smuggling.

And it's SUCH a huge problem in the UK, which has a ban on guns. There are mass shootings all the time, and since no one has a gun to defend themselves with, the shooters shoot even more people. OHWAIT
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