If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.
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by Bojikami » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:54 pm

by Kalimbiopia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:57 pm

by The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:00 pm
Kalimbiopia wrote:There should be a lot of regulations on it and you should also have to present some sort of license of psychological health before you buy one. I don't understand peoples insane obsession with guns sometimes.

by Mkuki » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:02 pm
Northern Itasca wrote:Mkuki wrote:Sure they save tons of lives, but lives would be in much less danger if gun sales were either strictly controlled or banned entirely. It's much harder, both physically and emotionally, to kill someone with a melee weapon than with a firearm.
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.
John Rawls wrote:In justice as fairness, the concept of right is prior to that of the good.

by Spreewerke » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:39 pm
Mkuki wrote:Northern Itasca wrote:
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.
If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.
I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.
The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.Bojikami wrote:If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.

by Gun Manufacturers » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:41 pm
Mkuki wrote:Northern Itasca wrote:
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.
If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.
I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.
The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.Bojikami wrote:If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.
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by Frisivisia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:42 pm
Gun Manufacturers wrote:Mkuki wrote:If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.
I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.
The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.
They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).

by Gun Manufacturers » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:43 pm
Spreewerke wrote:Mkuki wrote:If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.
I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.
The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.
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Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...
Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo
Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.
Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

by Gun Manufacturers » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:46 pm
Frisivisia wrote:Gun Manufacturers wrote:
They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).
That's why there's such considerable gun violence in the UK, people and their smuggled guns.
Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...
Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo
Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.
Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

by Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:47 pm

by Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:49 pm
Frisivisia wrote:Gun Manufacturers wrote:
They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).
That's why there's such considerable gun violence in the UK, people and their smuggled guns.

by Occupied Deutschland » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:52 pm
Frisivisia wrote:Gun Manufacturers wrote:They can make them (it's not that hard), smuggle them in from outside the country (the US's large land borders can be difficult to police 24/7/365), or steal them from law enforcement (it happens more often than you'd think).
That's why there's such considerable gun violence in the UK, people and their smuggled guns.

by The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:52 pm
Without Remorse wrote:Switzerland has about the same gun crime rate as the U.K. And every single fit citizen is issued a government rifle, ammo, and uniform. If everyone had a gun, then the criminal knows if he tries to rob a house, he WILL be shot. Therefore, less robberies.

by The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:54 pm

by Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:55 pm
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Without Remorse wrote:Switzerland has about the same gun crime rate as the U.K. And every single fit citizen is issued a government rifle, ammo, and uniform. If everyone had a gun, then the criminal knows if he tries to rob a house, he WILL be shot. Therefore, less robberies.
You're comparing a well-trained and highly monitored militia to the situation in the United States.

by Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:56 pm

by The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:57 pm

by Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:58 pm

by Vareiln » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:58 pm
Kalimbiopia wrote:There should be a lot of regulations on it and you should also have to present some sort of license of psychological health before you buy one. I don't understand peoples insane obsession with guns sometimes.

by Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:59 pm

by Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:03 pm
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Northern Itasca wrote:
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.
Other countries manage well enough without them. British parliamentary democracy has been chugging along for centuries now.

by The Joseon Dynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:05 pm

by Bojikami » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:05 pm
Mkuki wrote:Northern Itasca wrote:
How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.
If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.
I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.
The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.Bojikami wrote:If you take guns away and make them illegal, your just giving guns to the criminals.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.

by Without Remorse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:12 pm
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:Without Remorse wrote:I think that about 15 of the worlds countries have higher gun crime rates. Mostly Latin American countries
Both Switzerland and the United States have some of the highest firearm-related death rates in the OECD, although the United States leaps ahead in the overall intentional homicide rate, ranking just behind Mexico and Estonia.

by Frisivisia » Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:13 pm
Bojikami wrote:Mkuki wrote:If i recall correctly the last time people tried to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government" in US history resulted in 600,000 Americans dead and a dead president.
I think that the argument "what would the Founding Fathers do?" is as old and ridiculous as "what would Jesus do?" The founding fathers split slaves into 3/5 of a person. They gave voting rights only to white, property owners. Those men grew up in a different world with different problems, different social values, and different ideas. Asking what they would do makes no sense in 2012. There's a reason why the Constitution can be amended and changed.
The US government shouldn't be run according to the words and beliefs of Alexander Hamilton or James Madison or John Hancock or Thomas Jefferson. Not in this day and age.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If there are no guns how do criminals get them.
Its called smuggling.
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