Your stance on gun control?

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Sure. And guns make it way easier, and don't do much other than that.

Pens make it easier to misspell words, credit cards make it easier to attain debt, and automobiles make it easier to break the speed limit.

They really don't do much other than that...

This is a terrible argument.

[Mkuki]

Pens make it easier to misspell words, credit cards make it easier to attain debt, and automobiles make it easier to break the speed limit.

They really don't do much other than that...

It's nearly impossible to kill five people in public with a wrench without getting tackled/taken down by someone. You can do that with a gun.

[Northern Itasca]

I believe owning firearms is a fundamental right in the United States

The big media outlets don't like to report on when guns save lives.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/m-BlogList.aspx?id=21

Before the source is bashed, all stories have links to independent media sources.

[Mkuki]

I believe owning firearms is a fundamental right in the United States

The big media outlets don't like to report on when guns save lives.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/m-BlogList.aspx?id=21

Before the source is bashed, all stories have links to independent media sources.

Sure they save tons of lives, but lives would be in much less danger if gun sales were either strictly controlled or banned entirely. It's much harder, both physically and emotionally, to kill someone with a melee weapon than with a firearm.

[Northern Itasca]

I believe owning firearms is a fundamental right in the United States

The big media outlets don't like to report on when guns save lives.
http://www.americanrifleman.org/m-BlogList.aspx?id=21

Before the source is bashed, all stories have links to independent media sources.

Sure they save tons of lives, but lives would be in much less danger if gun sales were either strictly controlled or banned entirely. It's much harder, both physically and emotionally, to kill someone with a melee weapon than with a firearm.

How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Sure they save tons of lives, but lives would be in much less danger if gun sales were either strictly controlled or banned entirely. It's much harder, both physically and emotionally, to kill someone with a melee weapon than with a firearm.

How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.

Other countries manage well enough without them. British parliamentary democracy has been chugging along for centuries now.

[Coccygia]

How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.

Other countries manage well enough without them. British parliamentary democracy has been chugging along for centuries now.

But without guns we might end up a parliamentary democracy like them!!

[Northern Itasca]

How do you defend yourself from tyrannical government without firearms? That's why the second amendment exists. Look at writings from the founding fathers. The second amendment was created so that the people could overthrow he government if it were to ever go out of control.

Other countries manage well enough without them. British parliamentary democracy has been chugging along for centuries now.

And to think it will stay like that forever is incredibly foolish. And if a tyrant takes power you won't have any means to rise up against them. A full blown civil war in a post industrial nation isn't likely but to think there won't be significant civil unrest in the United States in the next several decades is stupid.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Other countries manage well enough without them. British parliamentary democracy has been chugging along for centuries now.

But without guns we might end up a parliamentary democracy like them!!

We could lend you our Queen if you're interested.

[Northern Itasca]

But without guns we might end up a parliamentary democracy like them!!

We could lend you our Queen if you're interested.

Feel free to exercise your right to not own a firearm. Just don't infringe on mine. I am, after all, the one with a gun (or several). And when 30 years down the road the government uses NDAA to declare you a terrorist and hold you indefinitely, maybe you'll think back to this thread on NS.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Other countries manage well enough without them. British parliamentary democracy has been chugging along for centuries now.

And to think it will stay like that forever is incredibly foolish. And if a tyrant takes power you won't have any means to rise up against them. A full blown civil war in a post industrial nation isn't likely but to think there won't be significant civil unrest in the United States in the next several decades is stupid.

We have a tradition of constitutional evolution, a keen judiciary and media, separation of powers and other systems of checks and balances that keep an attentive eye on the government.

Political stability is ensured through the institution itself, and history is the greatest testament to the value of that system.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

We could lend you our Queen if you're interested.

Feel free to exercise your right to not own a firearm. Just don't infringe on mine. I am, after all, the one with a gun (or several). And when 30 years down the road the government uses NDAA to declare you a terrorist and hold you indefinitely, maybe you'll think back to this thread on NS.

What? I'm British, so I needn't worry about your silly acronyms.

[Coccygia]

Other countries manage well enough without them. British parliamentary democracy has been chugging along for centuries now.

And to think it will stay like that forever is incredibly foolish. And if a tyrant takes power you won't have any means to rise up against them. A full blown civil war in a post industrial nation isn't likely but to think there won't be significant civil unrest in the United States in the next several decades is stupid.

Indeed, eternal vigilance is the price of paranoia.

[Natapoc]

I favor a full ban on all gun, for everyone, especially police, military, and hunters (the three groups who cause the most shootings)

[Natapoc]

It's nearly impossible to kill five people in public with a wrench without getting tackled/taken down by someone. You can do that with a gun.

However, It is sadly very easy to kill millions with a handful of box cutters.

[Coccygia]

I favor a full ban on all gun, for everyone, especially police, military, and hunters (the three groups who cause the most shootings)

Erm...what about criminals? Just askin'.

[Frisivisia]

We could lend you our Queen if you're interested.

Feel free to exercise your right to not own a firearm. Just don't infringe on mine. I am, after all, the one with a gun (or several). And when 30 years down the road the government uses NDAA to declare you a terrorist and hold you indefinitely, maybe you'll think back to this thread on NS.

Ah, so you support gun control because you are perpetually afraid. What of? Non-descript home invaders, nonexistant government tyranny? You realize that the second amendment was an 18th century answer to a 17th century problem, don't you?

[Bojikami]

I think people have the right to bear arms.

[Frisivisia]

I think people have the right to bear arms.

Why?

[Occupied Deutschland]

I favor a full ban on all gun, for everyone, especially police, military, and hunters (the three groups who cause the most shootings)

Source for the underlined? (I am particularly interested in hunters but I suppose if I'm going to defend that group I might as well defend the other 2 at the same time)

Ah, so you support gun control because you are perpetually afraid. What of? Non-descript home invaders, nonexistant government tyranny? You realize that the second amendment was an 18th century answer to a 17th century problem, don't you?

It solved the problem didn't it?
#ifitain'tbroke

[Northern Itasca]

Feel free to exercise your right to not own a firearm. Just don't infringe on mine. I am, after all, the one with a gun (or several). And when 30 years down the road the government uses NDAA to declare you a terrorist and hold you indefinitely, maybe you'll think back to this thread on NS.

That's ok. You then don't have as many civil rights to lose. NDAA is the National Defense Authorization Act that was unanimously passed by the US Senate and House and signed by President Obama about a year ago. Part of it allows the US government to label anyone a terrorist and hold them indefinitely. Governments are all about control. They have no purpose other than to become more powerful and have more control over the populace. When there is an armed populace the government has less control. I believe Thomas Jefferson once said, "when the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty..."

[The Joseon Dynasty]

What? I'm British, so I needn't worry about your silly acronyms.

That's ok. You then don't have as many civil rights to lose. NDAA is the National Defense Authorization Act that was unanimously passed by the US Senate and House and signed by President Obama about a year ago. Part of it allows the US government to label anyone a terrorist and hold them indefinitely. Governments are all about control. They have no purpose other than to become more powerful and have more control over the populace. When there is an armed populace the government has less control. I believe Thomas Jefferson once said, "when the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty..."

The bolded is remarkably ironic considering you just explained to me an act that allows the government to imprison anyone indefinitely.

[Frisivisia]

What? I'm British, so I needn't worry about your silly acronyms.

That's ok. You then don't have as many civil rights to lose. NDAA is the National Defense Authorization Act that was unanimously passed by the US Senate and House and signed by President Obama about a year ago. Part of it allows the US government to label anyone a terrorist and hold them indefinitely. Governments are all about control. They have no purpose other than to become more powerful and have more control over the populace. When there is an armed populace the government has less control. I believe Thomas Jefferson once said, "when the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty..."

Never mind that NDAA actually took away rights that the Bush Administration had given itself, and was a budget bill that had to be passed in order for the military to continue functioning. But I'm sure your libertarian dorm-mates have been shouting about it, and it sounds pretty damn convincing.

[Bafuria]

I favor a full ban on all gun, for everyone, especially police, military, and hunters (the three groups who cause the most shootings)

Natapoc why to you hate olympic sports?

Clay pigeons are not alive y'know.

[Kingdom of the Polar Bear]

I agree there needs to be some regulations on Firearms, but its a Constitutional right to own them.