Should the United States intervene in Syria

[Al-Faisal]

The freedom you're enjoying right now was enabled by the existence of the United States. United States was the first nation that was founded on the principles of the age of enlightement. United States saved Europe thrice, in WWI, WWII and the Cold War. Every time you say your opinion, you owe it to America. Get rid of that pessimism and have some respect.

No, it isn't. My freedom has ever been threatened by the existence of New Imperialism led by the United States. I have lost friends and family to that New Imperialism, human beings who were not combatants. Some of them were American, and they too were morally opposed to the murder factory that is the US foreign policy in the Muslim world.
I suggest you gain some perspective of real life by leaving Finland and visiting these places whose people you're so happy to have die.

[SD_Film Artists]

Just as America didn't intervene in Georgia, I don't think that Russia and China would intervene here other than Russia continuing to fly in troop wages to the government. Not that America would intervene in Syria anyway, as there isn't the will to have another Libya; and at least Libya's rebels were quite organised where as Syria's rebels are a patchwork of different groups with different ideologies.

What Libyan revolution were you watching that I missed?

Or relatively organised? Transitional National Council 'n all...

[Hippostania]

Is that all you can do? Spew ignorance and excuses to rationalize abuse and murder?

You're the one rationalizing murder; you're defending terrorists.

I'd rather hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians had not been murdered by the US and its "liberation" over a pile of blatant lies by said US government. But I suppose every children blown apart or burned to death was a terrorist, murderer, and islamofascist.

So, you'd rather have Saddam in charge. Ahh, I too love the smell of gassed kurds and mutilated bodies of political dissidents in the morning.. Just another day in Ba'athist Iraq!

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh if i could i would pay for everyone's welfare and healthcare i would, along with everything else. But i cant, because i am not in the government, nor possess a massive financial reserve,so i am, unfortunately, not able to do this, and i know that even if i could, and did do this, you wouldn't. Because you cant stand the sight of losing money.

But you are perfectly able of taking a weapon, going to Syria, and fighting, if you can sit there and drone on and on about this so called Honorable cause and why we "The West" as you put it, should intervene, and see our brothers and sisters die on a battlefield. Then, you should be one of the first to do so, you go and fight on some forgotten plain of Syria with a rifle in your hands. Go and fight for this liberty, justice and peace you so love.

You could sell your computer, your house and everything you own. But you won't. I'm not going to Syria either.

But motivated, loyal and unbeatable soldiers of the United States Armed Forces who voluntarily enlisted will be more than happy to liberate the people of Syria.

See if i sold everything i had, and my family did the same, we would not have enough to provide for a single family in that regard, why? because im not rich like you. My family does not even own this house, we have to rent it, and we can barely afford it, along with many other things we have, but i still contribute, i give a few pounds from my savings now and then when i am able. See you picked something that you knew i wouldn't be able to do much in as your argument of defense, but i do my best, more that what you ever will do, you are more than able to do what you call for, this so called campaign of freedom and justice, but you wont do it yourself.

There's the difference between you and I. I Try to do what i stand for, you don't even have to the stomach to try and do what you stand for.

[Al-Faisal]

I am glad to hear you respect Stalin for his role in defeating the Nazis.

America should have advanced across Europe and immidiately started heading for Moscow, accompanied by nuclear weapons.

You should probably just be silent at this point. You've verified you're a psychotic.

[Nua Corda]

Oh if i could i would pay for everyone's welfare and healthcare i would, along with everything else. But i cant, because i am not in the government, nor possess a massive financial reserve,so i am, unfortunately, not able to do this, and i know that even if i could, and did do this, you wouldn't. Because you cant stand the sight of losing money.

But you are perfectly able of taking a weapon, going to Syria, and fighting, if you can sit there and drone on and on about this so called Honorable cause and why we "The West" as you put it, should intervene, and see our brothers and sisters die on a battlefield. Then, you should be one of the first to do so, you go and fight on some forgotten plain of Syria with a rifle in your hands. Go and fight for this liberty, justice and peace you so love.

You could sell your computer, your house and everything you own. But you won't. I'm not going to Syria either.

But motivated, loyal and unbeatable soldiers of the United States Armed Forces who voluntarily enlisted will be more than happy to liberate the people of Syria.

The same soldiers that are committing suicide more than ever before, lost multiple wars, hated Iraq and are getting PTSD more than ever before?

[Kemalist]

I wouldn't find it odd if they attacked us, at least the areas we are feeding those terrorist plunderers. But still, I don't think Syria would do that because Assad stated many times that he was aware of the fact that the majority of Turkish people do not approve the stance of the government and there is a great public reaction to that, so he would not want to risk losing his credibility amongst the people which is a great opportunity for him to use it as a triumph card against Erdogan.

Or because Assad can't afford a war with Turkey?

He can, especially given the backing of Russian, Iranian and Chinese support and the fact that Turkish army is currently so miserable both technically and psychologically due to more than half of its experienced notable generals and officers being in prison.

[SD_Film Artists]

As a centrist, it's amusing to see people on extreme sides of the spectrum spread their hypocritical views.

[Hollorous]

But they didn't "die for liberty". They were killed by your "greatest nation on earth".

Civilian casualties are unfortunate but they are unavoidable. You can't wage war without killing some civilians. These people gave their lives so their countrymen could be free.[/quote]

Those people didn't give their lives. Their lives were unwillingly taken from them.

[Renegade Island]

No, because it is none of their business, all they do is steal there oil. The Organization that should really intervene is the UN's Peace Corps, A.K.A. "The Blue Helmets"

Yes, we're only interested in Syria's oil because the US totally has way less oil than Syria /sarcasm.

If we wanted Syria's oil, we probably could have just purchased it, just like all of our allies were doing before the Arab Spring.



Also the Blue Helmets have such a stellar track record of preventing mass killings. Like that time in Srebrenica where they bravely watched Serbian military and paramilitary forces murder thousands of Bosniaks, or that time in Rwanda where they did pretty much the same thing again.

Just as America didn't intervene in Georgia, I don't think that Russia and China would intervene here other than Russia continuing to fly in troop wages to the government. Not that America would intervene in Syria anyway, as there isn't the will to have another Libya; and at least Libya's rebels were quite organised where as Syria's rebels are a patchwork of different groups with different ideologies.

What Libyan revolution were you watching that I missed?

It's not about being able to buy the oil, it's about controlling the sales of the oil. That's the only way that the US Empire can continue the petrodollar, as other countries are openly talking about trading oil in other currencies.

The US is making a last ditch attempt to grab all the remaining oil rich nations to prevent collapse.

[Hippostania]

No, it isn't. My freedom has ever been threatened by the existence of New Imperialism led by the United States. I have lost friends and family to that New Imperialism, human beings who were not combatants. Some of them were American, and they too were morally opposed to the murder factory that is the US foreign policy in the Muslim world.
I suggest you gain some perspective of real life by leaving Finland and visiting these places whose people you're so happy to have die.

Your friends did a noble thing; they died for liberty. They died so you could be free and that you'd be allowed to say your opinion right now. America is in the process of slowly liberating Middle East from oppression, and there's nothing more noble than that. In my opinion, pretty much every single human being on Earth should thank America once they wake up for their freedom, or if they live in a dictatorship, thank America for the fact that some day, America will bring them liberty.

I have an American flag hanging over my bed for that reason. It's the first thing I see when I wake up and the last thing I see when I fall asleep.

[Al-Faisal]

Is that all you can do? Spew ignorance and excuses to rationalize abuse and murder?

You're the one rationalizing murder; you're defending terrorists.

So your answer is Yes, all you can do is spew ignorance and excuses.

I'd rather hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians had not been murdered by the US and its "liberation" over a pile of blatant lies by said US government. But I suppose every children blown apart or burned to death was a terrorist, murderer, and islamofascist.

So, you'd rather have Saddam in charge. Ahh, I too love the smell of gassed kurds and mutilated bodies of political dissidents in the morning.. Just another day in Ba'athist Iraq!

And you would rather have tens times more people dead for no greater crime than living in Iraq. Congratulations, you're a proponent of mass-murder.

[Varijnland]

Oh dear, terrorists, murderers and islamofascist scum are not being treated well ;___;

Is that all you can do? Spew ignorance and excuses to rationalize abuse and murder?

You'd rather have Saddam in charge?

I'd rather hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians had not been murdered by the US and its "liberation" over a pile of blatant lies by said US government. But I suppose every children blown apart or burned to death was a terrorist, murderer, and islamofascist.

So this Saddam fella..................nice guy then?

[SD_Film Artists]

Or because Assad can't afford a war with Turkey?

He can, especially given the backing of Russian, Iranian and Chinese support and the fact that Turkish army is currently so miserable both technically and psychologically due to more than half of its experienced notable generals and officers being in prison.

Just as America didn't want to start WW3 when Russia intervened in Georgia, why would Russia and China not do the same in this?

[Tmutarakhan]

No. If you think about it, it is strange this sudden US preocuppation with Syria.

WHAT preoccupation with Syria? People in the US mostly don't talk about or think about Syria. We want nothing to do with any more Mideast nonsense if we can possibly help it.

[Renegade Island]

No, it isn't. My freedom has ever been threatened by the existence of New Imperialism led by the United States. I have lost friends and family to that New Imperialism, human beings who were not combatants. Some of them were American, and they too were morally opposed to the murder factory that is the US foreign policy in the Muslim world.
I suggest you gain some perspective of real life by leaving Finland and visiting these places whose people you're so happy to have die.

Your friends did a noble thing; they died for liberty. They died so you could be free and that you'd be allowed to say your opinion right now. America is in the process of slowly liberating Middle East from oppression, and there's nothing more noble than that. In my opinion, pretty much every single human being on Earth should thank America once they wake up for their freedom, or if they live in a dictatorship, thank America for the fact that some day, America will bring them liberty.

I have an American flag hanging over my bed for that reason. It's the first thing I see when I wake up and the last thing I see when I fall asleep.

You are permanently asleep if that's the reality you believe in.

Automated planes assassinating targets from the sky is not "liberating from oppression" it's just "oppression."

[Hippostania]

See if i sold everything i had, and my family did the same, we would not have enough to provide for a single family in that regard, why? because im not rich like you. My family does not even own this house, we have to rent it, and we can barely afford it, along with many other things we have, but i still contribute, i give a few pounds from my savings now and then when i am able. See you picked something that you knew i wouldn't be able to do much in as your argument of defense, but i do my best, more that what you ever will do, you are more than able to do what you call for, this so called campaign of freedom and justice, but you wont do it yourself.

There's the difference between you and I. I Try to do what i stand for, you don't even have to the stomach to try and do what you stand for.

You couldn't do much if you sold all your possessions away and gave them away, but you could do something. It wouldn't be much, but you could it do. I couldn't do much either as a soldier, I'm just a single person.

[Hippostania]

You are permanently asleep if that's the reality you believe in.

Automated planes assassinating targets from the sky is not "liberating from oppression" it's just "oppression."

Killing murderers and terrorists is not oppression, it's justice.

[The Kal Empire]

Even if they wanted to, they can't.

They want to support the rebels, but the rebels are also support by the bastards that go around screaming 'Allah Akbar' with a bomb strapped to their chests.

And because of the Russian Naval Base there, Vladimir Putin, and his brother from another mother, Hu Jintao, won't let NATO even spit in Syrian waters, let alone oust the Assad regime.

[Al-Faisal]

Your friends did a noble thing; they died for liberty. They died so you could be free and that you'd be allowed to say your opinion right now. America is in the process of slowly liberating Middle East from oppression, and there's nothing more noble than that. In my opinion, pretty much every single human being on Earth should thank America once they wake up for their freedom, or if they live in a dictatorship, thank America for the fact that some day, America will bring them liberty.

I have an American flag hanging over my bed for that reason. It's the first thing I see when I wake up and the last thing I see when I fall asleep.

No, they died because Americans treat war like a video game and killed them with mass explosives.

You're an utter psychotic if you believe such things in such a black and white way.

[Hippostania]

And you would rather have tens times more people dead for no greater crime than living in Iraq. Congratulations, you're a proponent of mass-murder.

Who died so the people of Iraq could participate in free and democratic elections, have access to variety of independent TV and radio channels and newspaper, who have liberty to voice their opinion, assemble and found organizations and political parties.

You oppose all things. Why? Why do you hate the freedom that the Iraqi people have achieved?

[Al-Faisal]

Is that all you can do? Spew ignorance and excuses to rationalize abuse and murder?


I'd rather hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians had not been murdered by the US and its "liberation" over a pile of blatant lies by said US government. But I suppose every children blown apart or burned to death was a terrorist, murderer, and islamofascist.

So this Saddam fella..................nice guy then?

Strange thing. Despite being a dictator who used chemical weapons the Liberty-Loving United States gave him, fewer people died during his era than did during the illegal American invasion and occupation.

[SD_Film Artists]

Al-Faisal debating with Hippostania; it's like Alien vs Predator- no one wins, only xenophobia.

[Renegade Island]

You are permanently asleep if that's the reality you believe in.

Automated planes assassinating targets from the sky is not "liberating from oppression" it's just "oppression."

Killing murderers and terrorists is not oppression, it's justice.

Suspected. Without due process. Without trial. With heavy civilian casualties. With no legal repurcussions.

Sounds like oppression to me.

[Al-Faisal]

You are permanently asleep if that's the reality you believe in.

Automated planes assassinating targets from the sky is not "liberating from oppression" it's just "oppression."

Killing murderers and terrorists is not oppression, it's justice.

A friendly reminder from Hippostania, when children are murdered by drones, they're now murderers and terrorists!