Anti-science rears its ugly head in Congress

[Gauthier]

That's a fiasco?

I wonder how this anti-vaccine crowd would respond to tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people dying to smallpox, measles, and other easy prevented viruses.

Something in the neighborhood of "It's God's Plan!"

[Ostroeuropa]

I wonder how this anti-vaccine crowd would respond to tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people dying to smallpox, measles, and other easy prevented viruses.

Something in the neighborhood of "It's God's Plan!"

This at least would be consistent within their internal thinking.
What they actually say is somehow worse.
"Oh those people would die anyway, the vaccines don't really work."

[Halloween S and M Gremlins]

Not religious, but science is meaningless. Humanity already has everything it will ever need.

[Wikkiwallana]

Not religious, but science is meaningless. Humanity already has everything it will ever need.

No.

[Tsuntion]

Not religious, but science is meaningless. Humanity already has everything it will ever need.

You've discovered a cancer cure?

[Enadail]

Not religious, but science is meaningless. Humanity already has everything it will ever need.

You've discovered a cancer cure?

And clean energy?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

You've discovered a cancer cure?

And clean energy?

And all knowledge in the universe?

[Federated States of South Asia]

I said "that smart Human beings should stop trying to out-think a working self-correcting system that is two billion years old."

If we took that view, smallpox would still be rampant and would kill millions of people per year, if not more.

Sorry to burst your naivete, but several nations still keep smallpox around as a war-virus. It is still very much a threat, more-so now than it was, because the Human population, that currently is recycled, is not being replaced with small pox resistant examples as it used to be when the virus was wild and unconstrained.

FSoSA

[Divair]

Not religious, but science is meaningless. Humanity already has everything it will ever need.

You're fucking hilarious.

[Divair]

If we took that view, smallpox would still be rampant and would kill millions of people per year, if not more.

Sorry to burst your naivete, but several nations still keep smallpox around as a war-virus. It is still very much a threat, more-so now than it was, because the Human population, that currently is recycled, is not being replaced with small pox resistant examples as it used to be when the virus was wild and unconstrained.

FSoSA

And we have smallpox vaccine stockpiles. Nice try.

[Ostroeuropa]

If we took that view, smallpox would still be rampant and would kill millions of people per year, if not more.

Sorry to burst your naivete, but several nations still keep smallpox around as a war-virus. It is still very much a threat, more-so now than it was, because the Human population, that currently is recycled, is not being replaced with small pox resistant examples as it used to be when the virus was wild and unconstrained.

FSoSA

Other than terrorist action (Which is a real threat), I don't forsee any nation unleashing small pox. It'd immediately be responded to as akin to launching a nuke.

[Laerod]

If we took that view, smallpox would still be rampant and would kill millions of people per year, if not more.

Sorry to burst your naivete, but several nations still keep smallpox around as a war-virus. It is still very much a threat, more-so now than it was, because the Human population, that currently is recycled, is not being replaced with small pox resistant examples as it used to be when the virus was wild and unconstrained.

FSoSA

"kept in storage" = "not rampant"

[Federated States of South Asia]

Such as create vaccines that will force mutations, through selective culling and common descent in the survivor microbes, in the diseases that can kill us. They can go through their generations of survivors faster than we can.

That's not how vaccines work.

Vaccines work with sensitizing the immune system of the animal to produce anti-bodies to meet the known infection agent. if you don't know the way the infection agent has changed its physical characteristics, then your current vaccines are 'less' to totally 'ineffective'. In the flu example, it is the reason that pharmaceutical companies have to keep tweaking the vaccine. The flu viruses keep changing faster than we can can develop the counters.

In the end there WILL be a mutation that we can't solve, and then what?

1918 RING A BELL?

FSoSA

[Federated States of South Asia]

Sorry to burst your naivete, but several nations still keep smallpox around as a war-virus. It is still very much a threat, more-so now than it was, because the Human population, that currently is recycled, is not being replaced with small pox resistant examples as it used to be when the virus was wild and unconstrained.

FSoSA

"kept in storage" = "not rampant"

Tell that to the Russians.

FSoSA

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

If we took that view, smallpox would still be rampant and would kill millions of people per year, if not more.

Sorry to burst your naivete, but several nations still keep smallpox around as a war-virus. It is still very much a threat, more-so now than it was, because the Human population, that currently is recycled, is not being replaced with small pox resistant examples as it used to be when the virus was wild and unconstrained.

FSoSA

"Sorry" to burst your ignorance but several nations? That is laughable. Only the Americans and the Russians and that is in two WHO affiliated labs after the last outbreak in a lab in Birmingham, UK in the late 1970's.

War-virus....methinks someone goes to infowars or some such drek...

[Ifreann]

That's not how vaccines work.

Vaccines work with sensitizing the immune system of the animal to produce anti-bodies to meet the known infection agent. if you don't know the way the infection agent has changed its physical characteristics, then your current vaccines are 'less' to totally 'ineffective'. In the flu example, it is the reason that pharmaceutical companies have to keep tweaking the vaccine. The flu viruses keep changing faster than we can can develop the counters.

In the end there WILL be a mutation that we can't solve, and then what?

1918 RING A BELL?

Therefore we should let people die who we could save? No thanks.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Sorry to burst your naivete, but several nations still keep smallpox around as a war-virus. It is still very much a threat, more-so now than it was, because the Human population, that currently is recycled, is not being replaced with small pox resistant examples as it used to be when the virus was wild and unconstrained.

FSoSA

Other than terrorist action (Which is a real threat), I don't forsee any nation unleashing small pox. It'd immediately be responded to as akin to launching a nuke.

There is only one stockpile of weaponised smallpox which the Russians moved into a WHO affiliated lab. The Russians are as likely to allow weaponised smallpox to fall into the hands of the bad guys as they would nuclear weapons. Which is basically not at all. But with Polly Anna's like FSoSA being a shrill voice is SOP.

[Calenhardon]

Republican congressmen fail to understand science. In other news, a bear shit in the woods and the Pope announced he is Catholic. More breaking news at 11.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Republican congressmen fail to understand science. In other news, a bear shit in the woods and the Pope announced he is Catholic. More breaking news at 11.

Edgy! Kucinich is a Republican...who knew!

[Gauthier]

Republican congressmen fail to understand science. In other news, a bear shit in the woods and the Pope announced he is Catholic. More breaking news at 11.

Edgy! Kucinich is a Republican...who knew!

Kucinich is on the Science Committee?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Edgy! Kucinich is a Republican...who knew!

Kucinich is on the Science Committee?

OP concerns the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Committee...of which Kucinich is a member - to quote the article (and then watch the timestamp suggested on the vid)....

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) starting at 21:44 in the video), making it clear he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. For example, very few vaccines still use mercury, and the ones that do use it in tiny amounts and in a form that does not accumulate in the body.

crazy huh?

[Gauthier]

Kucinich is on the Science Committee?

OP concerns the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Committee...of which Kucinich is a member - to quote the article (and then watch the timestamp suggested on the vid)....

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) starting at 21:44 in the video), making it clear he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. For example, very few vaccines still use mercury, and the ones that do use it in tiny amounts and in a form that does not accumulate in the body.

crazy huh?

Eyerolling, but not as much as the Republicans on said Science Committee.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

OP concerns the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Committee...of which Kucinich is a member - to quote the article (and then watch the timestamp suggested on the vid)....



crazy huh?

Eyerolling, but not as much as the Republicans on said Science Committee.

Oh that was utterly classic...I admit I did more then eyerolling when the guy from Missouri made his rape comments beside obviously the anger at the complete sexism...I laughed my arse off at the scientific ignorance the guy showed...

[Wikkiwallana]

Sorry to burst your naivete, but several nations still keep smallpox around as a war-virus. It is still very much a threat, more-so now than it was, because the Human population, that currently is recycled, is not being replaced with small pox resistant examples as it used to be when the virus was wild and unconstrained.

FSoSA

Other than terrorist action (Which is a real threat), I don't forsee any nation unleashing small pox. It'd immediately be responded to as akin to launching a nuke.

A nuke that would likely come straight back to whoever launched it, at that.

[Wikkiwallana]

That's not how vaccines work.

Vaccines work with sensitizing the immune system of the animal to produce anti-bodies to meet the known infection agent. if you don't know the way the infection agent has changed its physical characteristics, then your current vaccines are 'less' to totally 'ineffective'. In the flu example, it is the reason that pharmaceutical companies have to keep tweaking the vaccine. The flu viruses keep changing faster than we can can develop the counters.

In the end there WILL be a mutation that we can't solve, and then what?

1918 RING A BELL?

FSoSA

Sensitizing immune systems does not induce mutations, as to mutate, the infection must take hold. If a pathogen mutates quickly, it's going to do so regardless or whether or not we vaccinate. With population wide vaccinations, however, we can eliminate slowly mutating diseases (when's the last time one of your friends caught polio?) and at least buffer against the quickly mutating ones. Vaccinating against one strain actually provides a small measure of protection against others, as, being closely related, they share similar surface markers.