Anti-science rears its ugly head in Congress

[Ethel mermania]

the end of the article brings up a couple of studies that say there may be an autism vacinne link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... _ref=false

which to my mind would suggest more work is needed, before calling these people the names you all have used.

[Federated States of South Asia]

Which philosophy?

Yours is patent nonsense. It doesn't even have a basis in logic, since it consists of mere rhetorical trickery with no axiomatic foundation in 'reality'.

When you show that you can play with real concepts, then I'll admit you might have some grounds.

Til then;

"Anti-science" is in the title. Did you notice that? 'Science' is a philosophical system. I use it.

The only one 'owned' here, is you. No 'real' foundation laid, no 'structure' to your argument.

Even your definition of 'free' is a false one, as it assumes 'no limits'. But you see that is a limit as it rigidly defines the condition you accept. That is your argument's 'foundation'.

By the way a 'foundation' IS a limit in logic.



Nice to teach someone, when they need the lesson.

FSoSA

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Which philosophy?

Yours is patent nonsense. It doesn't even have a basis in logic, since it consists of mere rhetorical trickery with no axiomatic foundation in 'reality'.

When you show that you can play with real concepts, then I'll admit you might have some grounds.

Til then;

"Anti-science" is in the title. Did you notice that? 'Science' is a philosophical system. I use it.

The only one 'owned' here, is you. No 'real' foundation laid, no 'structure' to your argument.

Even your definition of 'free' is a false one, as it assumes 'no limits'. But you see that is a limit as it rigidly defines the condition you accept. That is your argument's 'foundation'.

By the way a 'foundation' IS a limit in logic.



Nice to teach someone, when they need the lesson.

FSoSA

Don't give up the day job

[Federated States of South Asia]

At least I have one (several) in fact.

Nice talking to you. Let me know when you need another 'lesson'.

Endit.

FSoSA

[Linux and the X]

the end of the article brings up a couple of studies that say there may be an autism vacinne link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... _ref=false

which to my mind would suggest more work is needed, before calling these people the names you all have used.

Mr Kirby is a known anti-vaccination activist. Any studies he cites must be carefully reviewed before believing their results.

[Ethel mermania]

the end of the article brings up a couple of studies that say there may be an autism vacinne link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... _ref=false

which to my mind would suggest more work is needed, before calling these people the names you all have used.

Mr Kirby is a known anti-vaccination activist. Any studies he cites must be carefully reviewed before believing their results.

he did not start out that way, but your point is fair. though it agrees with my point, more review is necesarry before this book is closed.

[Jormengand]

Mr Kirby is a known anti-vaccination activist. Any studies he cites must be carefully reviewed before believing their results.

he did not start out that way, but your point is fair. though it agrees with my point, more review is necesarry before this book is closed.

I am still, however, of the opinion that if vaccines cause autism that seems to be a perfect reason to use them. As though there weren't enough already.

[Ifreann]

he did not start out that way, but your point is fair. though it agrees with my point, more review is necesarry before this book is closed.

I am still, however, of the opinion that if vaccines cause autism that seems to be a perfect reason to use them. As though there weren't enough already.

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You want to cause autism?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

the end of the article brings up a couple of studies that say there may be an autism vacinne link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... _ref=false

which to my mind would suggest more work is needed, before calling these people the names you all have used.

There have been studies that have made that link. All those studies have been discredited. There is no link. That is all there is to it.

At least I have one (several) in fact.

Nice talking to you. Let me know when you need another 'lesson'.

Endit.

FSoSA

I'm happy for you and even more that once again you have utterly failed to grasp the point. I really don't think you are in a position to teach anyone. Except possibly spelling and grammar. I cannot fault you there in any way. Congratulations. Now kindly cease the off topic posts. Thank you.

[Jormengand]

I am still, however, of the opinion that if vaccines cause autism that seems to be a perfect reason to use them. As though there weren't enough already.

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You want to cause autism?

I seem to be doing well enough with it, do I not? On second thoughts, don't answer that.

[The Emerald Dawn]

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You want to cause autism?

I seem to be doing well enough with it, do I not? On second thoughts, don't answer that.

Pre or post Sephiroth stabbing you up?

[Avenio]

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You want to cause autism?

I seem to be doing well enough with it, do I not? On second thoughts, don't answer that.

Yes, and I like to spread antibiotic-resistant S. aureus around by smearing mucous on doorknobs. I seem to be doing fine with a latent infection in my sinonasal cavity, why shouldn't everyone else?

[Ifreann]

I seem to be doing well enough with it, do I not? On second thoughts, don't answer that.

Yes, and I like to spread antibiotic-resistant S. aureus around by smearing mucous on doorknobs. I seem to be doing fine with a latent infection in my sinonasal cavity, why shouldn't everyone else?

Plenty of people get by pretty well without legs. I'll get my saw.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Yes, and I like to spread antibiotic-resistant S. aureus around by smearing mucous on doorknobs. I seem to be doing fine with a latent infection in my sinonasal cavity, why shouldn't everyone else?

Plenty of people get by pretty well without legs. I'll get my saw.

Mmm?

[Ethel mermania]

he did not start out that way, but your point is fair. though it agrees with my point, more review is necesarry before this book is closed.

I am still, however, of the opinion that if vaccines cause autism that seems to be a perfect reason to use them. As though there weren't enough already.

son, hopefully you are joking. i have a boy with autism that best case will wind up in a group home. to make that comment rl anywhere around me would be a remarkably bad idea.

[Ethel mermania]

the end of the article brings up a couple of studies that say there may be an autism vacinne link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... _ref=false

which to my mind would suggest more work is needed, before calling these people the names you all have used.

There have been studies that have made that link. All those studies have been discredited. There is no link. That is all there is to it.

no they have not, some of them are too new, to say some of them have not been peer reviewed would be fair. to say they have all been discredited, would be false.

[Avenio]

no they have not, some of them are too new, to say some of them have not been peer reviewed would be fair. to say they have all been discredited, would be false.

I'm assuming you're referring to this study? In which case, yeah, unfortunately, it is bunk.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

There have been studies that have made that link. All those studies have been discredited. There is no link. That is all there is to it.

no they have not, some of them are too new, to say some of them have not been peer reviewed would be fair. to say they have all been discredited, would be false.

New studies? Such as?

There is no link between vaccinations and autism. Every study that has claimed or claims otherwise is false.

[Jormengand]

I am still, however, of the opinion that if vaccines cause autism that seems to be a perfect reason to use them. As though there weren't enough already.

son, hopefully you are joking. i have a boy with autism that best case will wind up in a group home. to make that comment rl anywhere around me would be a remarkably bad idea.

Obviously, it depends on the level of autism and peoples tolerance towards it, but most autistic people that I know are remarkably much more hard-working, don't waste time on society's bullshit expectations and get on with life instead, actually bother to think about what they're doing and actually say what they mean ("Stand up" rather than "Could you stand up?" Of course I could bloody stand up, now are you going to tell me to do it or aren't you?). All in all, if everyone were autistic to a decent extent then the world would be a far more efficient place.

It's like, I dunno, drinking water. It's generally a good thing, but too much of it is bad.

[Avenio]

Obviously, it depends on the level of autism and peoples tolerance towards it, but most autistic people that I know are remarkably much more hard-working, don't waste time on society's bullshit expectations and get on with life instead, actually bother to think about what they're doing and actually say what they mean ("Stand up" rather than "Could you stand up?" Of course I could bloody stand up, now are you going to tell me to do it or aren't you?). All in all, if everyone were autistic to a decent extent then the world would be a far more efficient place.

It's like, I dunno, drinking water. It's generally a good thing, but too much of it is bad.

Jesus Christ. Talk about a blatant case of ignorant privilege.

[Jormengand]

Jesus Christ. Talk about a blatant case of ignorant privilege.

As a further example, most autistic people I know, myself included, would refrain from wasting everyone's time by flaming their fellow posters and would actually bother arguing.

[Avenio]

Jesus Christ. Talk about a blatant case of ignorant privilege.

As a further example, most autistic people I know, myself included, would refrain from wasting everyone's time by flaming their fellow posters and would actually bother arguing.

If you feel it was flaming, report me.

It was a comment on the fact that you're allowing your much more mild case of autism colour your views on a condition that can and does cause an inordinate amount of suffering in both the people that have more severe diagnoses and their family/friends/caretakers. That's pretty much a textbook definition of privilege.

[Federated States of South Asia]

the end of the article brings up a couple of studies that say there may be an autism vacinne link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb ... _ref=false

which to my mind would suggest more work is needed, before calling these people the names you all have used.

There have been studies that have made that link. All those studies have been discredited. There is no link. That is all there is to it.

At least I have one (several) in fact.

Nice talking to you. Let me know when you need another 'lesson'.

Endit.

FSoSA

I'm happy for you and even more that once again you have utterly failed to grasp the point. I really don't think you are in a position to teach anyone. Except possibly spelling and grammar. I cannot fault you there in any way. Congratulations. Now kindly cease the off topic posts. Thank you.

Perhaps I wasn't clear? Endit means you have nothing worth of interest to say to me.

Now kindly go away and bother someone else with your utter nonsense, both about philosophy (of which yours is none, because apriori, it is impractical to claim you have one, when you don't even know your own axioms' shortfalls and actual definitions) rhetoric (which you do not know all that well), and logic, which apparently no-one ever taught you.
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On topic...

As for vaccination; to legislate mandated behavior goes against historic experience. Just 'Prohibition' to cite the same stupid American Congress' acts, and its consequences, should show the evidence of unintended consequences.

Stop trying to out-think a self-correcting system that's managed fine for two billion years without Human beings.

Now that we are part of it, the smart thing for Human beings to do, is to learn as much about feedback loops as we can; and try NOT to trigger one in this system, that will be for us an extinction event.^1

FSoSA

^1 Such as create vaccines that will force mutations, through selective culling and common descent in the survivor microbes, in the diseases that can kill us. They can go through their generations of survivors faster than we can.

Or does that logic escape some of us, here?

[Jormengand]

As a further example, most autistic people I know, myself included, would refrain from wasting everyone's time by flaming their fellow posters and would actually bother arguing.

If you feel it was flaming, report me.

It was a comment on the fact that you're allowing your much more mild case of autism colour your views on a condition that can and does cause an inordinate amount of suffering in both the people that have more severe diagnoses and their family/friends/caretakers. That's pretty much a textbook definition of privilege.

It's like, I dunno, drinking water. It's generally a good thing, but too much of it is bad.

Yes, I know what it CAN do. I also have first- as well as a fair bit of second-hand experience of what it has done to real people, who I happen to know or, y'know, be. Yes, I am aware that the plural of anecdote is not data, but YOU provide data on what most autistic people experience and how most of them feel.

I'm not denying that too much autism is bad for you. However, too much water is bad for you, and that doesn't mean that water itself is bad for you. And nor is autism necessarily a bad thing.

[Jormengand]

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So are you going to keep BS'ing random stuff until people believe you or are you going to make a point, evidence, explaination and link? There's a reason English teachers tell you to do that, y'know.