Anti-science rears its ugly head in Congress

[Greed and Death]

Or a third choice...make anti-science unpopular...the pols will fall in line soon enough....

Or we could force any anti-vaxxer to face their victims and have them explain why a particular child had to die or woman lost her unborn baby.

You will hard pressed to find any particular un-vaccinated person was the source of any particular infection.

[Jormengand]

You know, if vaccines DID cause autism then that seems to me like a perfectly good reason to use them, as though we didn't already have one or something.

[Gauthier]

Even more lultastic if the anti-vaccer goes on a spiel about God's Plans.

It's quite strange to me the number of people who seem to believe that an omniscient, omnipotent being somehow didn't plan for us to invent medicine.

Don't they also tend to be the same people who think the solution to every medical ailment out there is to pray to God and Jesus to cast Heal?

[Laerod]

Or we could force any anti-vaxxer to face their victims and have them explain why a particular child had to die or woman lost her unborn baby.

You will hard pressed to find any particular un-vaccinated person was the source of any particular infection.

It's easy, actually. We just find the victims of diseases we would have gotten rid of by now if it hadn't been for anti-vaxxer paranoia.

[The Emerald Dawn]

It's quite strange to me the number of people who seem to believe that an omniscient, omnipotent being somehow didn't plan for us to invent medicine.

Don't they also tend to be the same people who think the solution to every medical ailment out there is to pray to God and Jesus to cast Heal?

Cure. Heal won't work on most diseases.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Don't they also tend to be the same people who think the solution to every medical ailment out there is to pray to God and Jesus to cast Heal?

Cure. Heal won't work on most diseases.

Depends....in Powers and Perils the clerical heal spell cured disease. Or are we talking D&D?

[Greed and Death]

You will hard pressed to find any particular un-vaccinated person was the source of any particular infection.

It's easy, actually. We just find the victims of diseases we would have gotten rid of by now if it hadn't been for anti-vaxxer paranoia.

So none then, because the disease would remain in Africa due to lacking of funding for vaccination programs.

[Federated States of South Asia]

That IS the risk YOU, as a FREE society, take. That is why I mentioned certain countries in Africa, where anarchy prevails.

Don't think I DON'T know this.

Federated States of South Asia

No such thing as a free society.

That is your philosophical error. Not mine.

Agree to disagree. No worries.

FSoSA

[Bojikami]

Mother of god...

[Greed and Death]

Don't they also tend to be the same people who think the solution to every medical ailment out there is to pray to God and Jesus to cast Heal?

Cure. Heal won't work on most diseases.

I don't know what scares me most.
Knowing enough to know you got it reversed, or that I am annoyed by the error by it.
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Heal

[The Emerald Dawn]

Cure. Heal won't work on most diseases.

I don't know what scares me most.
Knowing enough to know you got it reversed, or that I am annoyed by the error by it.
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Heal

Cure. Heal won't work on most diseases.

Depends....in Powers and Perils the clerical heal spell cured disease. Or are we talking D&D?

I was talking Final Fantasy. But, it does appear that we have a wide variety to choose from.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

No such thing as a free society.

That is your philosophical error. Not mine.

Agree to disagree. No worries.

FSoSA

Not really. Define "free society"....

[Vareiln]

And these people get elected... How?

[Greed and Death]

I don't know what scares me most.
Knowing enough to know you got it reversed, or that I am annoyed by the error by it.
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Heal

Depends....in Powers and Perils the clerical heal spell cured disease. Or are we talking D&D?

I was talking Final Fantasy. But, it does appear that we have a wide variety to choose from.

D&D is the mother of them all you must refer to D&D above all else.

[Bottle]

And these people get elected... How?

AMURKA! FUCK YEAH!

[The Emerald Dawn]

And these people get elected... How?

SUM=Asshole > SUM=Non-Asshole, where SUM = Vote total in last election.

[Bojikami]

And these people get elected... How?

AMURKA! FUCK YEAH!

^this.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I was talking Final Fantasy. But, it does appear that we have a wide variety to choose from.

D&D is the mother of them all you must refer to D&D above all else.

ALL HAIL GYGAX!

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

I was talking Final Fantasy. But, it does appear that we have a wide variety to choose from.

D&D is the mother of them all you must refer to D&D above all else.

Actually that would be Dave Arneson's Blackmoor...

[Greed and Death]

And these people get elected... How?

Because after gerrymandering 16% of the population can elect 50% of the house of Representative.

[Federated States of South Asia]

That is your philosophical error. Not mine.

Agree to disagree. No worries.

FSoSA

Not really. Define "free society"....

NOT

Russia
China
Cuba
North Korea

Most of the nations in Africa
Most of the Nations in the PACRIM.

By extension you can just about include any POLITY that believes some religious superstition should be the foundation of secular law as being a totalitarian state.

A few nations in Europe, defined as modern bureaucratic states, fulfill the bill as free states.

It is a POLITY where you can go and hire a lawyer with a fair to middling chance of success to defend yourself against the state's prosecution of you and its infringement on your rights.

It is a state where YOU have those named rights that are real and enforceable in the courts.

That is a free state. That is a practical working definition accepted by many political scientists.

FSoSA

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Not really. Define "free society"....

NOT

Russia
China
Cuba
North Korea

Most of the nations in Africa
Most of the Nations in the PACRIM.

By extension you can just about include any POLITY that believes some religious superstition should be the foundation of secular law as being a totalitarian state.

A few nations in Europe, defined as modern bureaucratic states, fulfill the bill as free states.

It is a POLITY where you can go and hire a lawyer with a fair to middling chance of success to defend yourself against the state's prosecution of you and its infringement on your rights.

It is a state where YOU have those named rights that are real and enforceable in the courts.

That is a free state. That is a practical working definition accepted by many political scientists.

FSoSA

So that would be societies that are free in terms of a social contract and bound by law. So not exactly free but rather constrained by a set of rules that everyone in that society agree to adhere to.

Thanks.

So as I was saying...there is no such thing as a free society. Thanks for playing though.

[Laerod]

It's easy, actually. We just find the victims of diseases we would have gotten rid of by now if it hadn't been for anti-vaxxer paranoia.

So none then, because the disease would remain in Africa due to lacking of funding for vaccination programs.

You know better.

[Federated States of South Asia]

NOT

Russia
China
Cuba
North Korea

Most of the nations in Africa
Most of the Nations in the PACRIM.

By extension you can just about include any POLITY that believes some religious superstition should be the foundation of secular law as being a totalitarian state.

A few nations in Europe, defined as modern bureaucratic states, fulfill the bill as free states.

It is a POLITY where you can go and hire a lawyer with a fair to middling chance of success to defend yourself against the state's prosecution of you and its infringement on your rights.

It is a state where YOU have those named rights that are real and enforceable in the courts.

That is a free state. That is a practical working definition accepted by many political scientists.

FSoSA

So that would be societies that are free in terms of a social contract and bound by law. So not exactly free but rather constrained by a set of rules that everyone in that society agree to adhere to.

Thanks.

So as I was saying...there is no such thing as a free society. Thanks for playing though.

Don't be an ass. Every system has limits even your stupid idealistic conditional one. You cannot exceed unity in this universe. You are just looking to argue for the sake of argument.

Thanks for demonstrating your complete lack of real understanding of how things work.

FSoSA

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

So that would be societies that are free in terms of a social contract and bound by law. So not exactly free but rather constrained by a set of rules that everyone in that society agree to adhere to.

Thanks.

So as I was saying...there is no such thing as a free society. Thanks for playing though.

Don't be an ass. Every system has limits even your stupid idealistic conditional one. You cannot exceed unity in this universe. You are just looking to argue for the sake of argument.

Thanks for demonstrating your complete lack of real understanding of how things work.

FSoSA

Hey....you brought up the topic of philosophy...not me. You wanted to argue from a philosophical basis and you got owned. Face it - you are not as clever as you think you are.

Thank you for demonstrating your complete lack of understanding of how a discussion revolving around philosophy works. Have a great day!